[el3mel]

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LVG purposely makes squad small so injuries lead to chances given to youth. He has said that himself; however many of his youth usage were more quantity rather than quality due to this process.

Also he made Giggs his assistant manager - LVG and asked Giggs who the best option was to play upfront & after Giggs had been impressed for some whilst with Rashford - he chose him.

So it's not pure luck - it has some strategy behind it.

This excuse again ? Is that why after we won the league he said we don't have enough creative players ?

http://www.sambafoot.com/en/news/74...h_van_gaal___ashley_young_is_not_neymar_.html

And during the season :

http://www.squawka.com/en/news/loui...d-creative-players/639322#Zx0OkglMXJCOWC6i.97

And after losing 3-0 to Spurs :

http://www.espn.com/soccer/manchest...-more-creative-players-than-manchester-united

Enough for that ?

Also you didn't replay on him getting Will Keane back from loan in Jan to be the sub striker ?

Don't act like I wasn't following the team this season please.

 

[TheFlagStaysDown]

The anti Mou brigade are out in full force. He don’t play technical players, he don’t play youth and Chong can kiss his future goodbye. Honestly what of load hs. Is possible to leave Mou out of the performance threads?

Chong will play if he continues like this.

Maybe people speak about Mourinho because he was asked specifically about Chong, it's completely normal. You are howvere taking it to another level, noone said goodbye to a player. On't think Mourinho is criticised that much here, he said like it is and people are speculating what he could mean by that, no mourinho bashing.

If the lad is good enough he will breakthrough the team no matter what. Don't see a problem with his physicality playing from the wing he can use the body well and is agile and quick as feck, so if Mourinho thinks he wouldn't be ready I wouldn't agree as I think he could be thrown in like Rashford or Januzaj who were exceptional talents and coped well but if he want to protect him fair enough

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Jose wants Perisic, it's clear as anything. First the references to his physicality and how he gives you more than regular wingers, then saying Chong isn't physically ready. The hold up on transfers will be us trying to negotiate down a £70m fee for Perisic.

No idea what we’ll pay but don’t you think Perisic would be a great signing? Impressed the hell out of me at the WC.

 

[MUFC OK]

No idea what we’ll pay but don’t you think Perisic would be a great signing? Impressed the hell out of me at the WC.

He would be yes but I see him as another LW really and we've got Sanchez, Martial, Rashford who can all play there. He is 30 in February, I just don't see it as a great deal, but I'd take it over nothing. I really don't want to see Mata at RW this season.

 

[VP89]

I'm sorry if this has been addressed before but do any regular reserve watchers think he's ready to be part of the main team and have some Premier League minutes?

I recall seeing one or two posts a couple months ago suggesting he's not actually all that (yet) and I feel like he was OK enough in the last match but not worthy of too much hype yet.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

He would be yes but I see him as another LW really and we've got Sanchez, Martial, Rashford who can all play there. He is 30 in February, I just don't see it as a great deal, but I'd take it over nothing. I really don't want to see Mata at RW this season.

Really? Where does he play for his club?

 

[AndyJ1985]

It's worth playing him in the league cup and seeing how he does

 

[roonster09]

Really? Where does he play for his club?

Left wing.

 

[bosnian_red]

No idea what we’ll pay but don’t you think Perisic would be a great signing? Impressed the hell out of me at the WC.

He's a left wing though, so thats why I've never been for him. He's a good winger but not top level, but still could have been very useful last summer even if he played in the same position as Martial/Rashford. He's turning 30 this season, and we'd be stuck with both him and Sanchez wanting to play on the left and being meh on the right, and would cost more now than last summer.

 

[haram]

I don't know i dont pay attention to every manager out there. But its always been a flaw with Mourinho and why he just sends them out on loan.

Im sure if you really think about it you could give a proper answer. The reality is the step up is difficult, especially for forwards.

 

[Adam-Utd]

Look at the difference in Salah now that he is stockier V when he first arrived in the league and weighed significantly less. Bigger legs etc allow players to shield the ball better and provide greater balance.

I'm not saying Chong is perfect and the finished article, but saying he "might" get minutes in the cup games just grinds my gears. Maybe he's trying to keep him grounded but give the lad some encouragement, the fact is he's probably the best natural RW we have in the squad right now.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Left wing.

He's a left wing though, so thats why I've never been for him. He's a good winger but not top level, but still could have been very useful last summer even if he played in the same position as Martial/Rashford. He's turning 30 this season, and we'd be stuck with both him and Sanchez wanting to play on the left and being meh on the right, and would cost more now than last summer.

Ah. Ok. From what I saw in the WC he’s extremely two-footed, so could hopefully handle a switch of wings easy enough.

 

[roonster09]

Ah. Ok. From what I saw in the WC he’s extremely two-footed, so could hopefully handle a switch of wings easy enough.

Yeah he is two footed. His weaker foot is so good that it's like he has no weaker foot.

 

[soap]

Throwing him into first team action to be pushed around easily and frustrate supporters won't do him any good. A handful of cameos next season seems sensible unless u23 football starts to look too easy for him

 

[Mr PG]

I'm sorry if this has been addressed before but do any regular reserve watchers think he's ready to be part of the main team and have some Premier League minutes?

I recall seeing one or two posts a couple months ago suggesting he's not actually all that (yet) and I feel like he was OK enough in the last match but not worthy of too much hype yet.

I have watched him live a few games when the juniors toured the states last year and he's not ready. His body looks to be going through a growth spurt and he struggles a bit. Not ready physically and if you read between the lines of Mourinho's comments he alluded to the same thing.

There's no telling what Tahith will emerge from the other end when he's done growing that's why you don't peg all your hopes on a kid.

Some coaching issues too as he plays at the same pace (100mph) all the time which is not good (makes him a bit predictable). He needs to know when to pause and when to fly.

Additionally I felt the staff have tried to pigeon-hole the lad into right sided midfielder just because that's what the team needs but he really is a left winger and has been all his life.

 

[Rozay]

He would be yes but I see him as another LW really and we've got Sanchez, Martial, Rashford who can all play there. He is 30 in February, I just don't see it as a great deal, but I'd take it over nothing. I really don't want to see Mata at RW this season.

Think life would be just made simpler if we put Sanchez on the right.

 

[Gentleman Jim]

From the little I’ve seen of him he has impressive physical attributes for one of his age with good size, speed and balance. His major drawback at this moment is in his decision making, even against Academy teams, which needs to be worked on heavily.
Plenty of time yet for this to improve but his physical advantages will decline as his opponents start to mature or if he is facing grown men.

 

[RedTillI'mDead]

Look at the difference in Salah now that he is stockier V when he first arrived in the league and weighed significantly less. Bigger legs etc allow players to shield the ball better and provide greater balance.

Salah is 5ft8. Chong is almost 6ft1

That is quite a significant scale difference!

 

[Aloysius's Back 3]

This excuse again ? Is that why after we won the league he said we don't have enough creative players ?

http://www.sambafoot.com/en/news/74...h_van_gaal___ashley_young_is_not_neymar_.html

And during the season :

http://www.squawka.com/en/news/loui...d-creative-players/639322#Zx0OkglMXJCOWC6i.97

And after losing 3-0 to Spurs :

http://www.espn.com/soccer/manchest...-more-creative-players-than-manchester-united

Enough for that ?

Also you didn't replay on him getting Will Keane back from loan in Jan to be the sub striker ?

Don't act like I wasn't following the team this season please.

I don't get your reply? What has LVG complaining about squad attacking quality got to do with LVG' s intentions to keep a small quantity squad so that he can utilize young players when needed? He didn't say he wanted more players - he said he wanted better players.

LVG is also historically one of the worst managers in terms of buying players in the transfer window - that is consistently what let's him down at Barcelona, United & Bayern.

However what he does with the young players at his clubs is one of the best in the history of football. Whilst all Jose fan boys will argue about luck for anyone apart from Jose - if it comes to José's habitual manners with younger players then it's just hidden under the carpet.

Whilst LVG was always going to be fired that season - by the end of it I was super excited to see the likes of martial & Rashford playing in a striking partnership with Lingard playing at Am. Players like TFM & others who had just broken through or on the edge of first team football.

Fast forward 2 years & martial & Rashford are competing for the same position whilst being replaced at ST by ibrahinpvic & Lukaku - whilst now also being replaced at LW.

Hell if Jose had won significant titles by now then many of the anti Jose brigade like myself would be forced to be quiet with regards to younger players that are regarded as very good prospects over the world.
Unfortunately just by looking at pure positioning of players alone many people can see that Jose has been ineffective at helping anybody including players he himself have bought. The only purely effective players have been his Chelsea players playing in a Chelsea formation.

Ultimately he is a poor manager at looking at the players at his disposal & finding out a method of getting the best out of all of them. However he has the capability to win titles if you buy Jose players & Jose players only.

That's why I'm doubtful about his impact on the other younger players.

 

[Ban]

It was an accident. But its one that Mourinho wouldnt stumble on. He'd play a striker-less formation or out Depay up front or something. Obviously most of the time it is having the luck of players in front of you getting injured, but the manager also has to take the chance. Some do, Mourinho pretty much never would and would just change and change and change formations to fit in the last experienced players. I don't know i dont pay attention to every manager out there. But its always been a flaw with Mourinho and why he just sends them out on loan.

He is stubborn but not that stubborn not to play a youngster given a chance.
I don't think he would change and change formations without giving Marcus a chance upfront for instance.

In any case he's right about Chong but of course whatever he says will be skewed and portrayed like he won't give him a single minute.

 

[Ban]

I don't get your reply? What has LVG complaining about squad attacking quality got to do with LVG' s intentions to keep a small quantity squad so that he can utilize young players when needed? He didn't say he wanted more players - he said he wanted better players.

LVG is also historically one of the worst managers in terms of buying players in the transfer window - that is consistently what let's him down at Barcelona, United & Bayern.

However what he does with the young players at his clubs is one of the best in the history of football.

Really?

 

[Litch]

That’s a terrible response to some reasonable points. Would it kill you to back down and concede that you were talking out your arse about young attacking players not being given a chance at United these last few years? Because, as opinions go, it’s rare to have one proven so categorically incorrect.

Back down....? Proven? The arogance of this site is absolutely laughable at times. Do you actually have any idea of what I said? Please show me where I said young young attacking players dont get a chance? Or did I say we would rather play a big yound lad than a creative one? You might think your that comes out your backside smells different but it doesnt. Its a public forum where some especially you Ive noticed think have the monopoly of knowledge....

 

[el3mel]

I don't get your reply? What has LVG complaining about squad attacking quality got to do with LVG' s intentions to keep a small quantity squad so that he can utilize young players when needed? He didn't say he wanted more players - he said he wanted better players.

LVG is also historically one of the worst managers in terms of buying players in the transfer window - that is consistently what let's him down at Barcelona, United & Bayern.

However what he does with the young players at his clubs is one of the best in the history of football. Whilst all Jose fan boys will argue about luck for anyone apart from Jose - if it comes to José's habitual manners with younger players then it's just hidden under the carpet.

Whilst LVG was always going to be fired that season - by the end of it I was super excited to see the likes of martial & Rashford playing in a striking partnership with Lingard playing at Am. Players like TFM & others who had just broken through or on the edge of first team football.

Fast forward 2 years & martial & Rashford are competing for the same position whilst being replaced at ST by ibrahinpvic & Lukaku - whilst now also being replaced at LW.

Hell if Jose had won significant titles by now then many of the anti Jose brigade like myself would be forced to be quiet with regards to younger players that are regarded as very good prospects over the world.
Unfortunately just by looking at pure positioning of players alone many people can see that Jose has been ineffective at helping anybody including players he himself have bought. The only purely effective players have been his Chelsea players playing in a Chelsea formation.

Ultimately he is a poor manager at looking at the players at his disposal & finding out a method of getting the best out of all of them. However he has the capability to win titles if you buy Jose players & Jose players only.

That's why I'm doubtful about his impact on the other younger players.

LVG was the master of twisting everything so that he gets credit for it.

When he loses with a big result he complains about not having good enough players and the squad is lacking. When a young player plays well he says he it was his plan by having a small squad, why was he complaining that the squad was lacking prior to the season and in every defeat ? Because he doesn't want to admit he fecked it up in the market and was responsible for the condition of the team, so had to twist a lucky emergence of a player to his favor by saying it was all his plan, then revert back to "the squad is crap" whenever he loses.

When he got Martial he said he bought him for the future under Giggs :

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/34213412

Then when the player surprised him by his performance he took the full credit for himself as if he was planning for Martial to be a top player this season when he was clearly not.

All his quotes were contradicting themselves because he had no plan. He was just twisting every even for his own sake.

 

[Drz]

I think he deserves some minutes this season... technically, he is more than good enough.

Yes, he still needs to, and will develop physically... but that should not be a reason to not give him a chance. He doesn't look any less physically developed than the skinny 18 year old Ryan Giggs when he came into the side.

I didn't see a problem with his physicality, when deep into the second half he was holding off an opposition player in a defensive midfield position before calmly passing it to one of our centre-backs.
Countless times I have seen opposition players just run into Fellaini and fall on their backside to win a foul. No doubt Fellaini is the more physical of the two.
How useful was Rio and Vida's physicality when Messi popped up in front of them to head in a goal to win the champions league against us?

There was a debate that actually became kind of controversial in France, when they realised their academies were turning away talented footballers for less gifted but more physical players (see Griezman's story).

It's still too early into pre-season, but if he can look like one of our better players whilst mixing it with the first team in the remaining games this summer, I vote for him staying in the squad and earning a chance based on training performances.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Back down....? Proven? The arogance of this site is absolutely laughable at times. Do you actually have any idea of what I said? Please show me where I said young young attacking players dont get a chance? Or did I say we would rather play a big yound lad than a creative one? You might think your that comes out your backside smells different but it doesnt. Its a public forum where some especially you Ive noticed think have the monopoly of knowledge....

Heh.

Here’s what you said, for the record.

Let's be glad Giggs arrived in the era he did otherwise he'd have got no where near the first team too.

 

[keener]

Chong looked so lively, pacy and composed in attack. I'm looking forward to seeing a bit more from him this year in spots. I don't think he should be expected to be a big player in our season though. If he can continue to impress on this tour then I would love to see him getting minutes in lesser EPL games and in cup games.

 

[Litch]

So you said we haven't given chances to creative young players, @jb8521 clearly proved that we gave chances to so many young creative players, now you are saying something else completely without even addressing his points.

This forum. I say we rather play a big young lad rather than a small creative one. That ends somehow about not developing creativr young players. Some mentions a number of young players given the 'chance' most of which arent here anymore or if are are equally lambasted.....amazing

 

[macheda14]

This forum. I say we rather play a big young lad rather than a small creative one. That ends somehow about not developing creativr young players. Some mentions a number of young players given the 'chance' most of which arent here anymore or if are are equally lambasted.....amazing

Just stop. Do you want to know what I do when I’m in your situation? I write out about half a reply and then stop. Question whether this is really worth my time and then delete it all. It’s much better for your stress levels. (I’ve actually done it a few times with this comment)

 

[Acole9]

Was he the stand out player? Probably yes, was his performance as good as I've read and heard from the MUTV commentators/pundits? No, he was just alright. The talent is there but he's definitely a work in progress, definitely not ready for Premier League football, I wouldn't even risk playing him in the league cup, if we come up against some League One club he'll get chopped in half he's so lanky.

 

[Rozay]

Was he the stand out player? Probably yes, was his performance as good as I've read and heard from the MUTV commentators/pundits? No, he was just alright. The talent is there but he's definitely a work in progress, definitely not ready for Premier League football, I wouldn't even risk playing him in the league cup, if we come up against some League One club he'll get chopped in half he's so lanky.

That’s nonsense. Well, it might not be nonsense, but there is no way of you being so definitive about it.

He should go and play for our U23s, but the reality, a fair few of the PL are U23 anyway.

We have become so cautious of late. I’m very doubtful Mbappé would be the player he is today if he was with us.

 

[Rebecca]

Watched the game this morning and I have just seen a player in the making Tahith Chong what a star and a game changer

 

[VP89]

I have watched him live a few games when the juniors toured the states last year and he's not ready. His body looks to be going through a growth spurt and he struggles a bit. Not ready physically and if you read between the lines of Mourinho's comments he alluded to the same thing.

There's no telling what Tahith will emerge from the other end when he's done growing that's why you don't peg all your hopes on a kid.

Some coaching issues too as he plays at the same pace (100mph) all the time which is not good (makes him a bit predictable). He needs to know when to pause and when to fly.

Additionally I felt the staff have tried to pigeon-hole the lad into right sided midfielder just because that's what the team needs but he really is a left winger and has been all his life.

Thanks mate good post.

 

[Nick7]

I can't agree that he "really is a left winger". He's just as good on either wing at the level he plays at.

 

[Trophy Room]

He doesn't seem scared. This is the best compliment I can give him. He'll come good this lad.

 

[Name Changed]

He looks like a good player. He looks technically pretty good. He doesn't look like a Mourinho type player yet though. Mourinho clearly likes his players to be far more physical.

 

[Beaucoup]

That’s nonsense. Well, it might not be nonsense, but there is no way of you being so definitive about it.

He should go and play for our U23s, but the reality, a fair few of the PL are U23 anyway.

We have become so cautious of late. I’m very doubtful Mbappé would be the player he is today if he was with us.

I disagree, watching these young players on tv gives a distorted view in my opinion, when you see players like Chong and especially Greenwood in the flesh they are still young boys, nowhere near men’s football, we have to give them time to develop, fast tracking at this stage in their development could ruin them. When you compare a 16 yr old Greenwood against Rooney at the same age, there really is no comparison.

Just because Mbappe is playing first team football at 18, doesn’t mean Chong should be to, just because he’s the same age.

 

[Brightonian]

Reminds me a lot of Januzaz.

Significantly faster but less gifted in terms of touch and dribbling.

 

[Rozay]

I disagree, watching these young players on tv gives a distorted view in my opinion, when you see players like Chong and especially Greenwood in the flesh they are still young boys, nowhere near men’s football, we have to give them time to develop, fast tracking at this stage in their development could ruin them. When you compare a 16 yr old Greenwood against Rooney at the same age, there really is no comparison.

Just because Mbappe is playing first team football at 18, doesn’t mean Chong should be to, just because he’s the same age.

That’s always the way, until the roles are reversed. It isn’t only 18 year olds built like Rooney who can play pro football. And it isn’t just Chong and co who look like boys in real life. Football is a young man’s sport. In real life, you see many experienced footballers for the very young men they are. The likelihood is you would have also said Mbappé is ‘not ready yet’ if he were a United player at 17 instead of a Monaco one.

Someone like Tom Davies at Everton can play football at 18. He’s no Rooney.

I’m not suggesting he play weekly either. We have no problem signing these 18 year olds once an Everton or Lille have taken the chance to play them, we should do it ourselves more often. Pogba ‘wasn’t ready’ until he went to Juve and was more ready than our entire midfield within months.

 

[P-Nut]

Do some in here expect Mourinho to come out and say after that performance he's got a chance of being in the first team squad?

It's all about keeping players feet on the ground and not stopping the hard work that has got him to where he is - a teenager being discussed as a potential attacking weapon for Manchester United.

Jose has outlined what he wants from him, with the taking extra touches line, and now it's down to Chong to build on that.

He's at the age and physical development that getting a few sub appearances and playing in the cups will be just what he needs.

We're potentially starting the season really light on attackers, so there is a chance he makes the bench if he shines on tour. Let's wait and see before chastising Jose after one game in which he actually played him and then praised him afterwards.

 

[fergieisold]

What's the verdict on this guy then? Got to say I didn't know a lot about him but he looks potentially brilliant...looks an unbelievable talent to my untrained eye!