I am surprised you have missed out Fletcher, he seems very talented and only 21 i think.
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I am surprised you have missed out Fletcher, he seems very talented and only 21 i think.
Fair play Windies.
Our batting has been wank bar Bopara and Pietersen, no substance.
Think we got done in a bit by the D/L there, but we didn't deserve to make the semi's really anyway.
Our batting has been wank bar Bopara and Pietersen, no substance.
Think we got done in a bit by the D/L there, but we didn't deserve to make the semi's really anyway.
The D/L method in T20 is so stupid it's beyond belief
Tonights game showed that
It would only be fair if the Windies chased half the runs, in half the time, with half the wickets
Tonights game showed that
It would only be fair if the Windies chased half the runs, in half the time, with half the wickets
T20 cricket is a failure without covered roofs.
England's been screwed.
England's been screwed.
When the game was shortened for West Indies I knew they were going to win. It's not fair really.. we took 5 wickets and they still beat us because of the length of the game. 9 overs to get 80 runs is too easy. What a shame. Oh and why do the Indians hate England so much? Is it because we knocked you out....
Pakistan zindabad.
Couldn't agree more.
Having half as long to get half as many runs is fair enough but to have all your 'wickets' available to achieve it makes no sense.
If they're chasing half the total in half the time they don't need to score any quicker but the bowling side only has half the time to bowl them out !
That DL was useless, it should have been a much higher score, nearer 100. Anyway im off to Trent Bridge tomorrow, should be a laugh. Will be supporting Sri Lanka and India!
SA will finish top regardless, won't they? And it'll be a travesty if SL get dumped out.
Yeah probably, but id rather support India over South Africa anyday. And I would like SL to go on and win it. Be fitting after what happened to them this year.
If you ever played cricket, you would know that you only got five wickets cause West Indies wouldn't have to hit so many runs so fast and in a shorter space of time. Lendl Simmons has been playing superb this tournament and would not have played such a rash out early. Gayle (debatable) may have not played one too many shots in an over where he got 2 fours. Pollard wouldn't have been promoted and Bravo wouldn't feel the pressure to swipe.
West Indies were deserved winners. Furthermore, the D/L method factors out your lowest run scoring overs. The thing is though, England were consistent throughout and were unlucky in that aspect cause they had no real stand out over compared to a real low scoring over.
I don't think its just Indians who hate England. Its always enjoyable to see england lose.
No one is debating that you idiot
The WI wouldnt have had the safety net of having 10 wickets to score 80 runs though. It essentially allowed them to slog and take on shots that they wouldnt of if the D/L method had not come into place.
The Scots love to see us loose even more than Indians.
It's what I love about being an England 'sports' fan....
Other nations seem to spend their time wanting us to loose whilst I don't really care one way or the other what the other teams do.
Yes - It's what I said in post 1168.
I did play cricket to a half decent level - and chasing half a total in half the time is far easier.
You know fine well your only going to be using your top order or perhaps middle order batsmen.
Read his post again. He is whining how they would have won in a full T20 game because they had 5 wickets down.
Read my post on how DL works. It factors in your highest run overs scored. England didn't score that many and were consistent throughout their innings. Furthermore its the best method possible method. Until people can come up with an alternative...without drastically changing the laws of cricket (a team only gets 5 wickets is downright stupid), then we can talk.
Also people are talking so much of this safety net, but one is also forgetting the wet ball moves around more and with more moisture in the air the ball can seam/swing easier. Its harder to grip yes, but it zips off the pitch giving you a little extra pace (and that too late in which it can be hard to read it). It works both ways in the end, Windies bowled well enough to restrict the DL target. Everyone knew the rain was coming...why did England bat first? Everyone knows the DL method provides a little extra incentive to the team chasing.
Newsflash: its not only English sport teams that have teams that hate them. I know many Indians, Englishmen and Bangladeshi's that despise Pakistan. Its not about spending time wanting you to lose, its enjoying it when you do.
Hmph 
I defy any team to not get 80 runs with 10 wickets in hand.
I defy any team to not get 80 runs with 10 wickets in hand.
Hmph
I defy any team to not get 80 runs with 10 wickets in hand.
I know, I think even we'd have managed it.
Anyone can defend the DL method as much as they want, the West Indies definitely benefitted a lot more from it than England. Now I'm not saying that I have a better system but the whole thing seems bizarre to me.
Not to mention why there is a fecking time limit on the thing in the first place, when we have full floodlights and the fact that the games don't take that long in the first place. There is no sensible reason why, weather permitting, a full game couldn't have taken place today, another 45 minutes after they came out to play the nine overs, why not?
They've essentially been screwed by the fact that they played in the evening and not the afternoon, when it didn't rain (I don't think).
And as close as England managed to run it, 80 off 9 with all 10 wickets just isn't competitive enough.
The D/L method has to take into account other factors. What if Windies had played 5 overs of their innings and then it'd rained? The revised target would HAVE to depend on wickets in hand/overs left/run rate and a myriad of other things. Just because it's shortened at the innings break with time to play half the match, you can't go "So we're playing half the allotted overs, let's play with half the wickets.". Then why not go one step further and say "Since we're playing only half the team, they should have at-least 2 tailenders in there to balance things out."?
It's the best method we have. Everyone's been shafted by it at one point.
It's for a joke. None of us would've given a shit if you'd qualified. It doesn't really matter.
You can try and defend the method as much as you want, but if truth be told, it is flawed, as yesterday evening showed. There is no discussion. If a system isn't fair, then it should be reviewed untill a more even solution comes in.
End of story.
DL method has always had it's flaws. It's not a excuse by losing to the Windies as many have been dealt with the same method for years now. It has to be changed - have to agree with that though.
Excuses are being trotted out, and the usual " No excuses, but just for the record...." Kirsten came out with fatigue and niggling injuries to the Indians as one of the causes of their debacle, and in the same breath he said he was not making excuses!
The Indians wanted to develop a good T20 and ODI squad. They had the money. They came out with the IPL with the sole purpose of getting a strong squad for the next T20 and WC. Fair enough. But, in addition, they felt that with the IPL franchise money, they could break other teams, and thus weaken them. The boot is on the other foot now.
Another factor that destroyed them was the media hype. In the 2007 WC, the Indian media had won the cup for them even before the tournament started. What a crash. This time it was the media at it again. And boy.
The Indians wanted to develop a good T20 and ODI squad. They had the money. They came out with the IPL with the sole purpose of getting a strong squad for the next T20 and WC. Fair enough. But, in addition, they felt that with the IPL franchise money, they could break other teams, and thus weaken them. The boot is on the other foot now.
Another factor that destroyed them was the media hype. In the 2007 WC, the Indian media had won the cup for them even before the tournament started. What a crash. This time it was the media at it again. And boy.
Of course its flawed. All methods are to a degree but at least DL method is the best out there. Or do you want another 92 because it helped England get into the final (which also goes beyond common sense cause they could have just played the 12 extra balls).
I hope India beat SA today, because i will be at the game as i am getting the ticket free
'Mahela Jayawardne as made it cum'
What a lovely line.
What a lovely line.
Still annoyed over last nights game.. what a farce!
Aye, 80 in 9 or 10 overs was always going to suit the batting side.
What are you on about?
Most English fans couldn't care less about T20, not least with the Ashes around the corner. My point was yesterday the side that batted first were at a huge disadvantage due to the D/L method. Whether it was Sri Lanka, India, WI it wouldn't matter.
Some of you cricket fans are beyond pathetic with your dislike for England. Then again, it is just how we like it!
We outplayed you in every department you fool.
Even the Irish would have got 80 runs in 9 overs.
i suggest you re-watch the game.
if it wasn't for the 5 wides that harbhajan gave away in the last ball of the last over you wouldn't have won.
But he did bowl 5 wides...
That's like me saying if Luke Wright didn't get out for a low score we would have got 180 easily.
That's like me saying if Luke Wright didn't get out for a low score we would have got 180 easily.
the bottom line is that you dont lose to holland and expect to win the world cup.
we were shite and so were you.
we were shite and so were you.
Sorry but I don't think England were shite. We were robbed yesterday and should be in the semi finals but oh well, we have the Ashes victory to look forward to.
Exactly. Most people had written us off before the Holland game and after that nobody expected us to get into the Super Eights. We beat India and were robbed against West Indies. I think England did very well. As for India - you were shit.You are the current "world champions" and had high expectations
We didn't
you're the ones who invented cricket.
talk about high expectations
talk about high expectations
you're the ones who invented cricket.
talk about high expectations