Surveillance Draft

Gio - 1. Messi 2. Cafu 3. Cannavaro 4. Gerrard 5. Makelele 6. Brian Laudrup 7. Prosinečki
The Stain - 1. Cristiano Ronaldo 2. Batistuta 3. Iniesta 4. Mauro Silva 5. Sagnol 6. Popescu 7. Terry
OneNil - 1. Maldini 2. Ferdinand 3. Henry 4. Mendieta 5. Mascherano 6. S. Ramos 7. Marchisio
DavidG - 1. Ronaldo 2. Godin 3. Bergkamp 4. Evra 5. Veron 6. Conte 7. Ledley King
Raees/Invictus 1. Nesta 2. Davids 3. Scholes 4. Ribery 5. Chiellini 6. Essien 7. W Samuel
Bleezy 1. Sammer 2. R. Carlos 3. D. Alves 4. Torres 5. Ballack 6. Del Piero 7. Petit
Skizzo 1. Ronaldinho 2. Lizarazu 3. Robben 4. G. Neville 5. Guardiola 6. Simeone 7. Gamarra
Mazhar/Enigma 1. Desailly 2. Zanetti 3. Giggs 4. Vidal 5. Shevchenko 6. Raúl 7. David Silva
Tuppet 1. Zidane 2. Schweinsteiger 3. Stam 4. Ibrahimovic 5. Luis Enrique 6. Forlan 7. Panucci
VivaJanuzaj/EAP 1. P Lahm 2. L. Suarez 3. Effenberg 4. Shearer 5. Overmars 6. Pires 7. Abidal 8.Hyypia
Physiocrat 1. Thuram 2. Modric 3. T.Silva 4. van Nistelrooy 5. Sol Campbell 6. G. Signori 7. Serginho 8. Kanchelskis
Downcast 1. R. Baggio 2. Kaka 3. Etoo 4. Ayala 5. Maniche 6. Xabi Alonso 7. Candela 8. F. De Boer
P-Nut 1. R. Keane 2. Vieira 3. Drogba 4. Rui Costa 5. Puyol 6. Barzagli 7. Carrick 8. Ginola
Aldo/prath92 1. Totti 2. Rivaldo 3. Vidic 4. Hierro 5. P. Montero 6. Z. Boban 7. Deco 8. Ljunberg
Pat Mustard 1. Redondo 2. Figo 3. A. Cole 4. Ferrara 5. Gascoigne 6. Villa 7. Petrescu 8. Boli
Joga Bonito 1. Xavi 2. Nedved 3. Seedorf 4. Carvalho 5. Deschamps 6. Lucio 7. Benarrivo 8. Neuer

@Tuppet
 
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Andrei Kanchelskis

Would have loved to fit him in, but I'm not 100% sure he would work all that well with van Nistelrooy or my team's style so went down a different route. Very jealous though, a player I really enjoyed watching while the other blocks more players and I can't stand the geezer. Would have probably still picked him anyway if you didn't :lol:
 
Would have loved to fit him in, but I'm not 100% sure he would work all that well with van Nistelrooy or my team's style so went down a different route. Very jealous though, a player I really enjoyed watching while the other blocks more players and I can't stand the geezer. Would have probably still picked him anyway if you didn't :lol:
Had him in consideration for the last pick ourselves.
 
"Everyone gives each of their players a squad number. Then a random number generator for both teams with the numbers in it 2 to 41 (this provides a 1/4 of a chance for an injury)."

Lizarazu can't get injured. No backsies. :drool:
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Haha, that's already done.

He would have fit well on the right for us, but Freddie will do.

In fairness to Freddie (despite all my moaning about him being my legacy assignment in the Reality Draft while others got Francescoli) he does his job, he performs to role: provides width, gets stuck in, chips in with goals, and is a great team player happy to defer to others/play second fiddle. You regularly come across draft favourites who wouldn't be anywhere near as good a fit as him.
 
Would have loved to fit him in, but I'm not 100% sure he would work all that well with van Nistelrooy or my team's style so went down a different route. Very jealous though, a player I really enjoyed watching while the other blocks more players and I can't stand the geezer. Would have probably still picked him anyway if you didn't :lol:

I think the other player you're thinking of is the one I considered too. I think Ruud and Kanchelskis will be fine. Kanchelskis is still quite different to early Ronaldo and was quicker to release the ball and cross
 
I think the other player you're thinking of is the one I considered too. I think Ruud and Kanchelskis will be fine. Kanchelskis is still quite different to early Ronaldo and was quicker to release the ball and cross

Oh, it's nothing to do with early Ronaldo. I won't delve into it, not for me to do it (and it's all hypothetical since you don't have Ruud).

Edit: Ah, balls, you do actually :lol: Sorry. In any case, I said I wasn't sure, not that it wouldn't work.
 
Ljungberg was as good as Pires! Always the player to be fouled the most. Minus for the spelling, though :p
 
Oh, it's nothing to do with early Ronaldo. I won't delve into it, not for me to do it (and it's all hypothetical since you don't have Ruud).

Edit: Ah, balls, you do actually :lol: Sorry. In any case, I said I wasn't sure, not that it wouldn't work.

:lol:
 
Ljungberg was as good as Pires! Always the player to be fouled the most. Minus for the spelling, though :p

But there's the thing, some get the plaudits and others aren't as noticeable but get their job done and make it all work in a nicely balanced way. And they get their enjoyment and satisfaction from that: the end result.

In fact, he would have worked well for you here: how do you balance an ego like Ronaldo's? Seriously, every multi-megastar frontline he is in we always go "will they work together?" and all end up agreeing to disagree. No one would disagree that those two would work. Everyone would talk about Ronaldo, but all too often Ljungberg would have been the key to winning the game.
 
But there's the thing, some get the plaudits and others aren't as noticeable but get their job done and make it all work in a nicely balanced way. And they get their enjoyment and satisfaction from that: the end result.

In fact, he would have worked well for you here: how do you balance an ego like Ronaldo's? Seriously, every multi-megastar frontline he is in we always go "will they work together?" and all end up agreeing to disagree. No one would disagree that those two would work. Everyone would talk about Ronaldo, but all too often Ljungberg would have been the key to winning the game.
I picked him in another draft but from what i recall he didn't, as you said, get much credit. I find that strange, top player.
 
Anyhow, enough bumming of Freddie Ljungberg or I'll end up quoted when he is up against Maldini in an all-time draft.
 
Ljungberg was as good as Pires! Always the player to be fouled the most. Minus for the spelling, though :p

Ljungberg was great for Arsenal but didn't really show up for Sweden in nearly the same way. He was supposed to be maybe our biggest star at the time but that was never the case and he only managed 14 goals in 11 years for us which is nothing for such an awesome goalscorer. There is no way around the fact that he was outstanding for Arsenal though but he was one of those players who just never got rolling with the national team and he'd be rated a lot higher if he did. Always seemed to have an Arsenal attitude problem as well, complaining all day about being fouled and looking affected mentally.

For me he is a good choice for a draft though, sort of like the Swedish Pedro in that if the team already has the star power then he can complement that well and get on a lot of balls and he works hard for the team too.
 
I dunno about that, reckon Pires was at least a level above.

He was, not sure how that is even up for debate. Ljungberg was a solid player but Pires was one of their big fish attackers. His link with Henry was very very pivotal.
 
Ljungberg was great for Arsenal but didn't really show up for Sweden in nearly the same way. He was supposed to be maybe our biggest star at the time but that was never the case and he only managed 14 goals in 11 years for us which is nothing for such an awesome goalscorer. There is no way around the fact that he was outstanding for Arsenal though but he was one of those players who just never got rolling with the national team and he'd be rated a lot higher if he did. Always seemed to have an Arsenal attitude problem as well, complaining all day about being fouled and looking affected mentally.

For me he is a good choice for a draft though, sort of like the Swedish Pedro in that if the team already has the star power then he can complement that well and get on a lot of balls and he works hard for the team too.

Therein lies the answer. He isn't someone who can or should be the big fish.

I dunno about that, reckon Pires was at least a level above.

Better player, yes, but I always had the distinct impression that it was Ljungberg saving their skin when Pires and Henry were off the boil. In a way, the more pragmatic antidote/counter to what has usually been Arsenal's problem of not having a plan B or wanting to walk the ball into the goal.
 
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Gio - 1. Messi 2. Cafu 3. Cannavaro 4. Gerrard 5. Makelele 6. Brian Laudrup 7. Prosinečki
The Stain - 1. Cristiano Ronaldo 2. Batistuta 3. Iniesta 4. Mauro Silva 5. Sagnol 6. Popescu 7. Terry
OneNil - 1. Maldini 2. Ferdinand 3. Henry 4. Mendieta 5. Mascherano 6. S. Ramos 7. Marchisio
DavidG - 1. Ronaldo 2. Godin 3. Bergkamp 4. Evra 5. Veron 6. Conte 7. Ledley King
Raees/Invictus 1. Nesta 2. Davids 3. Scholes 4. Ribery 5. Chiellini 6. Essien 7. W Samuel
Bleezy 1. Sammer 2. R. Carlos 3. D. Alves 4. Torres 5. Ballack 6. Del Piero 7. Petit
Skizzo 1. Ronaldinho 2. Lizarazu 3. Robben 4. G. Neville 5. Guardiola 6. Simeone 7. Gamarra
Mazhar/Enigma 1. Desailly 2. Zanetti 3. Giggs 4. Vidal 5. Shevchenko 6. Raúl 7. David Silva
Tuppet 1. Zidane 2. Schweinsteiger 3. Stam 4. Ibrahimovic 5. Luis Enrique 6. Forlan 7. Panucci 8. Kompany
VivaJanuzaj/EAP 1. P Lahm 2. L. Suarez 3. Effenberg 4. Shearer 5. Overmars 6. Pires 7. Abidal 8.Hyypia
Physiocrat 1. Thuram 2. Modric 3. T.Silva 4. van Nistelrooy 5. Sol Campbell 6. G. Signori 7. Serginho 8. Kanchelskis
Downcast 1. R. Baggio 2. Kaka 3. Etoo 4. Ayala 5. Maniche 6. Xabi Alonso 7. Candela 8. F. De Boer
P-Nut 1. R. Keane 2. Vieira 3. Drogba 4. Rui Costa 5. Puyol 6. Barzagli 7. Carrick 8. Ginola
Aldo/prath92 1. Totti 2. Rivaldo 3. Vidic 4. Hierro 5. P. Montero 6. Z. Boban 7. Deco 8. Ljunberg
Pat Mustard 1. Redondo 2. Figo 3. A. Cole 4. Ferrara 5. Gascoigne 6. Villa 7. Petrescu 8. Boli
Joga Bonito 1. Xavi 2. Nedved 3. Seedorf 4. Carvalho 5. Deschamps 6. Lucio 7. Benarrivo 8. Neuer

@mazhar13 @Enigma_87
 
I said earlier that after spending a second set of 5mins thinking this it was clear the best approach to minimise research, and have a good strategy going forward, was not to pay too much attention to the club links but instead to check them last as an afterthought.

I said I would explain it after R6 (Zlataaaaaaaaaaaaaaan!) but you didn't all look tied up enough yet and I couldn't find the time to sit down and write proper. Since gametime is my only planned baby-free time, I'll try explain that in more detail now.
 
Ljungberg was great for Arsenal but didn't really show up for Sweden in nearly the same way. He was supposed to be maybe our biggest star at the time but that was never the case and he only managed 14 goals in 11 years for us which is nothing for such an awesome goalscorer. There is no way around the fact that he was outstanding for Arsenal though but he was one of those players who just never got rolling with the national team and he'd be rated a lot higher if he did. Always seemed to have an Arsenal attitude problem as well, complaining all day about being fouled and looking affected mentally.

For me he is a good choice for a draft though, sort of like the Swedish Pedro in that if the team already has the star power then he can complement that well and get on a lot of balls and he works hard for the team too.

Zlatan did not get on well with lil ole Freddie ;)

Id agree with your assessment , he does much better as a complementary player than the main star. also he wasnt as good technically as Pires.
 
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Gio - 1. Messi 2. Cafu 3. Cannavaro 4. Gerrard 5. Makelele 6. Brian Laudrup 7. Prosinečki
The Stain - 1. Cristiano Ronaldo 2. Batistuta 3. Iniesta 4. Mauro Silva 5. Sagnol 6. Popescu 7. Terry
OneNil - 1. Maldini 2. Ferdinand 3. Henry 4. Mendieta 5. Mascherano 6. S. Ramos 7. Marchisio
DavidG - 1. Ronaldo 2. Godin 3. Bergkamp 4. Evra 5. Veron 6. Conte 7. Ledley King
Raees/Invictus 1. Nesta 2. Davids 3. Scholes 4. Ribery 5. Chiellini 6. Essien 7. W Samuel
Bleezy 1. Sammer 2. R. Carlos 3. D. Alves 4. Torres 5. Ballack 6. Del Piero 7. Petit
Skizzo 1. Ronaldinho 2. Lizarazu 3. Robben 4. G. Neville 5. Guardiola 6. Simeone 7. Gamarra
Mazhar/Enigma 1. Desailly 2. Zanetti 3. Giggs 4. Vidal 5. Shevchenko 6. Raúl 7. David Silva 8. Wörns
Tuppet 1. Zidane 2. Schweinsteiger 3. Stam 4. Ibrahimovic 5. Luis Enrique 6. Forlan 7. Panucci 8. Kompany
VivaJanuzaj/EAP 1. P Lahm 2. L. Suarez 3. Effenberg 4. Shearer 5. Overmars 6. Pires 7. Abidal 8.Hyypia
Physiocrat 1. Thuram 2. Modric 3. T.Silva 4. van Nistelrooy 5. Sol Campbell 6. G. Signori 7. Serginho 8. Kanchelskis
Downcast 1. R. Baggio 2. Kaka 3. Etoo 4. Ayala 5. Maniche 6. Xabi Alonso 7. Candela 8. F. De Boer
P-Nut 1. R. Keane 2. Vieira 3. Drogba 4. Rui Costa 5. Puyol 6. Barzagli 7. Carrick 8. Ginola
Aldo/prath92 1. Totti 2. Rivaldo 3. Vidic 4. Hierro 5. P. Montero 6. Z. Boban 7. Deco 8. Ljunberg
Pat Mustard 1. Redondo 2. Figo 3. A. Cole 4. Ferrara 5. Gascoigne 6. Villa 7. Petrescu 8. Boli
Joga Bonito 1. Xavi 2. Nedved 3. Seedorf 4. Carvalho 5. Deschamps 6. Lucio 7. Benarrivo 8. Neuer

@Skizzo
 
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Gio - 1. Messi 2. Cafu 3. Cannavaro 4. Gerrard 5. Makelele 6. Brian Laudrup 7. Prosinečki
The Stain - 1. Cristiano Ronaldo 2. Batistuta 3. Iniesta 4. Mauro Silva 5. Sagnol 6. Popescu 7. Terry
OneNil - 1. Maldini 2. Ferdinand 3. Henry 4. Mendieta 5. Mascherano 6. S. Ramos 7. Marchisio
DavidG - 1. Ronaldo 2. Godin 3. Bergkamp 4. Evra 5. Veron 6. Conte 7. Ledley King
Raees/Invictus 1. Nesta 2. Davids 3. Scholes 4. Ribery 5. Chiellini 6. Essien 7. W Samuel
Bleezy 1. Sammer 2. R. Carlos 3. D. Alves 4. Torres 5. Ballack 6. Del Piero 7. Petit
Skizzo/Annah 1. Ronaldinho 2. Lizarazu 3. Robben 4. G. Neville 5. Guardiola 6. Simeone 7. Gamarra 8. Baraja
Mazhar/Enigma 1. Desailly 2. Zanetti 3. Giggs 4. Vidal 5. Shevchenko 6. Raúl 7. David Silva 8. Wörns
Tuppet 1. Zidane 2. Schweinsteiger 3. Stam 4. Ibrahimovic 5. Luis Enrique 6. Forlan 7. Panucci 8. Kompany
VivaJanuzaj/EAP 1. P Lahm 2. L. Suarez 3. Effenberg 4. Shearer 5. Overmars 6. Pires 7. Abidal 8.Hyypia
Physiocrat 1. Thuram 2. Modric 3. T.Silva 4. van Nistelrooy 5. Sol Campbell 6. G. Signori 7. Serginho 8. Kanchelskis
Downcast 1. R. Baggio 2. Kaka 3. Etoo 4. Ayala 5. Maniche 6. Xabi Alonso 7. Candela 8. F. De Boer
P-Nut 1. R. Keane 2. Vieira 3. Drogba 4. Rui Costa 5. Puyol 6. Barzagli 7. Carrick 8. Ginola
Aldo/prath92 1. Totti 2. Rivaldo 3. Vidic 4. Hierro 5. P. Montero 6. Z. Boban 7. Deco 8. Ljunberg
Pat Mustard 1. Redondo 2. Figo 3. A. Cole 4. Ferrara 5. Gascoigne 6. Villa 7. Petrescu 8. Boli
Joga Bonito 1. Xavi 2. Nedved 3. Seedorf 4. Carvalho 5. Deschamps 6. Lucio 7. Benarrivo 8. Neuer
@bleezy
 
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I said earlier that after spending a second set of 5mins thinking this it was clear the best approach to minimise research, and have a good strategy going forward, was not to pay too much attention to the club links but instead to check them last as an afterthought.

I said I would explain it after R6 (Zlataaaaaaaaaaaaaaan!) but you didn't all look tied up enough yet and I couldn't find the time to sit down and write proper. Since gametime is my only planned baby-free time, I'll try explain that in more detail now.
It's pretty much tied right now, agreed. Will be interesting to see your team as of now.

There are options still but you have to prioritize certain positions depending on what's in front of you. Generally players like Giggs, Raul, Zanetti are not so bad even though they have a great career in terms of length, they don't block that many players compared to those who swapped clubs a lot.
 
Observation 1: need to leave room for quality reinforcements (I realised this wasn't on after the R1 and R2 picks but, if anything, it was more important to go about things this way then and just a lot easier now).

Observation 2:
the real carnage will be in the 1998-2008 period when pretty much ALL active players are from 1967-87. Actively avoid players at their peak then to begin with and leave that mess to find good fits at the end.

Observation 3:
the NT rule takes precedence over the club rule. Stars at club level block a lot of randomers, at NT level they should block superior players, that's why they play for the NT. Therefore treat it as a one player per country draft firstly and prioritise cherry-picking smaller nations with few options.

Position-dependent observation: the pool is very deep and broad country-wise in XXXXXX, then XXXXXX. XXXXXX, XXXXX and then XXXX (YYYY-type in particular) are the shallow pools to secure solid players early on. In that order.

Team style choice: here I went with what some of you suggested about not going mental but instead choose 2-3 players and then work out how to build around them. The thought of what we would have looked like in the early 00s in a 4-4-1-1 with Nedved instead of Veron had me drooling for days, so I chose to go for Nedved-van Nistelrooy and build from there.

They both massively obliterate the pool by being bang in the middle of it (Ruud in particular shoots down most United, Real and Netherlands picks, even Xabi Alonso for 3-4 shitty games before moving to Hamburg). At least this way I didn't have to keep second guessing myself.

This first bit took me no real time, just random musings while in the loo or bottle-feeding.

Planning work

1) Dust off my excel with ~500 players. It has position, country and decade, from previous drafts. After deleting off the top of my head the clearly ineligible 60s/80s I'm down to ~250. Cross out RVN/Nedved crossovers and loads of randomers I'm clearly not going to pick: db down to 160.

2) Slice the players by position to gage depth and quality gaps to establish positional priorities.

Note: not sure whether to pick Heaton or Randolph in this draft, thoughts?

3) Slice players by country split in 90s/00s. The pool already reduces considerably as you delete the players there's no chance in hell you are blocking that pool for (e.g. all Brazilians out thanks to Rogerio Ceni). I'm down to 120 before even arranging by club.

4) List major clubs and allocate players split in 90s, 00-08, 08-now (a matrix, basically). Cross out players there's no way you are blocking that club for. Down to ~80.

In short, Zanetti would block all Argentina and Inter eras so if you pick him assume both pools are shot (that was easily 25% of my database). Love Pupi, but can't afford him, not after the Nedved and RvN hits.

This takes 2-3 hours, but I have the key elements needed to try optimise both the country and club dimension without bothering check the fineprint of every single club every single player played of until I'm ready to pull the trigger on them.

Rounds

R1-2: I still thought reinforcements were open so didn't bother with Brazil or Argentina as I didn't want key players I would then dispose of to accommodate Messi/Ronaldo/etc. Nedved was nailed on, I still wasn't happy about RvN's damage (inc. Cristiano reinforcement) so chose to leave it to fate. I thought the German and Bayern pools were both relatively poor, I had listed less than 10 players jointly and I love peak Bastian. Picks: Nedved and Schweinsteiger.

R3-4: I have found out about reinforcements banned for R1-2. Yummy forwards mostly gone never to return, so pulling trigger on Ruud. Worried about a gap emerging in defence relative to those with Maldinis and Nestas. I had prioritised Thiago as a Brazilian non-GOAT blocker but he has been picked, will have to ride the ball-player and pick him up in reinforcements. If I ride the ball-player I need a good stopper and Ruud/Nedved already obliterate most. Nedved has also destroyed most of the Argie pool thanks to Lazio (and Benarrivo takes down a few at Parma). It's really Javier or Ratón and I have my eyes cast on Mauro Silva anyway. Picks: Ruud and Ayala

R5-6: Feck, Mauro is gone. So is my precious Lucho and many others. Cross remaining defensively strong midfielders and country/club pools. Also, fullback is going to be a bitch if I miss out on Benarrivo/Petrescu. Since I'm riding the ball-playing defender Popescu will be a goner by then, so close up Romania, and Chelsea (I already know Deschamps is gone). Picks: Essien and Petrescu.

R7-R8: I had left Benarrivo for later assuming as an Italian and Parma guy he was somewhat safer than Petrescu. The other guy hasn't been picked. Picks: Benarrivo and AN Other.

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Your idea of 'how to minimise research' is quite stunning :D .
 
Your idea of 'how to minimise research' is quite stunning :D .

That's quality thinking and good brain exercise though. What I mean by research is the non-value adding antwork of checking every single player's list of clubs looking for conflicts. I've got that sorted high level and will probably only need antwork for my subs or a player at most.
 
Observation 1: need to leave room for quality reinforcements (I realised this wasn't on after the R1 and R2 picks but, if anything, it was more important to go about things this way then and just a lot easier now).

Observation 2:
the real carnage will be in the 1998-2008 period when pretty much ALL active players are from 1967-87. Actively avoid players at their peak then to begin with and leave that mess to find good fits at the end.

Observation 3:
the NT rule takes precedence over the club rule. Stars at club level block a lot of randomers, at NT level they should block superior players, that's why they play for the NT. Therefore treat it as a one player per country draft firstly and prioritise cherry-picking smaller nations with few options.

Position-dependent observation: the pool is very deep and broad country-wise in XXXXXX, then XXXXXX. XXXXXX, XXXXX and then XXXX (YYYY-type in particular) are the shallow pools to secure solid players early on. In that order.

Team style choice: here I went with what some of you suggested about not going mental but instead choose 2-3 players and then work out how to build around them. The thought of what we would have looked like in the early 00s in a 4-4-1-1 with Nedved instead of Veron had me drooling for days, so I chose to go for Nedved-van Nistelrooy and build from there.

They both massively obliterate the pool by being bang in the middle of it (Ruud in particular shoots down most United, Real and Netherlands picks, even Xabi Alonso for 3-4 shitty games before moving to Hamburg). At least this way I didn't have to keep second guessing myself.

This first bit took me no real time, just random musings while in the loo or bottle-feeding.

Planning work

1) Dust off my excel with ~500 players. It has position, country and decade, from previous drafts. After deleting off the top of my head the clearly ineligible 60s/80s I'm down to ~250. Cross out RVN/Nedved crossovers and loads of randomers I'm clearly not going to pick: db down to 160.

2) Slice the players by position to gage depth and quality gaps to establish positional priorities.

Note: not sure whether to pick Heaton or Randolph in this draft, thoughts?

3) Slice players by country split in 90s/00s. The pool already reduces considerably as you delete the players there's no chance in hell you are blocking that pool for (e.g. all Brazilians out thanks to Rogerio Ceni). I'm down to 120 before even arranging by club.

4) List major clubs and allocate players split in 90s, 00-08, 08-now (a matrix, basically). Cross out players there's no way you are blocking that club for. Down to ~80.

In short, Zanetti would block all Argentina and Inter eras so if you pick him assume both pools are shot (that was easily 25% of my database). Love Pupi, but can't afford him, not after the Nedved and RvN hits.

This takes 2-3 hours, but I have the key elements needed to try optimise both the country and club dimension without bothering check the fineprint of every single club every single player played of until I'm ready to pull the trigger on them.

Rounds

R1-2: I still thought reinforcements were open so didn't bother with Brazil or Argentina as I didn't want key players I would then dispose of to accommodate Messi/Ronaldo/etc. Nedved was nailed on, I still wasn't happy about RvN's damage (inc. Cristiano reinforcement) so chose to leave it to fate. I thought the German and Bayern pools were both relatively poor, I had listed less than 10 players jointly and I love peak Bastian. Picks: Nedved and Schweinsteiger.

R3-4: I have found out about reinforcements banned for R1-2. Yummy forwards mostly gone never to return, so pulling trigger on Ruud. Worried about a gap emerging in defence relative to those with Maldinis and Nestas. I had prioritised Thiago as a Brazilian non-GOAT blocker but he has been picked, will have to ride the ball-player and pick him up in reinforcements. If I ride the ball-player I need a good stopper and Ruud/Nedved already obliterate most. Nedved has also destroyed most of the Argie pool thanks to Lazio (and Benarrivo takes down a few at Parma). It's really Javier or Ratón and I have my eyes cast on Mauro Silva anyway. Picks: Ruud and Ayala

R5-6: Feck, Mauro is gone. So is my precious Lucho and many others. Cross remaining defensively strong midfielders and country/club pools. Also, fullback is going to be a bitch if I miss out on Benarrivo/Petrescu. Since I'm riding the ball-playing defender Popescu will be a goner by then, so close up Romania, and Chelsea (I already know Deschamps is gone). Picks: Essien and Petrescu.

R7-R8: I had left Benarrivo for later assuming as an Italian and Parma guy he was somewhat safer than Petrescu. The other guy hasn't been picked. Picks: Benarrivo and AN Other.

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And now for my planning techniques.

R1 - Keane. Takes out United but leaves most countries alone.

R2 - Vieira. Wanted them together since I stared playing. Feck who he blocks I'm having him.

R3 - Same as Keane.

R4 - Most Milan players gone. AM pool starting to shrink.

R5/R6 - Central defenders quickly disappearing and don't fancy facing Ronaldo with a mid level cb pairing.

R7 - Need to limit the amount of players I'm blocking and Carrick rules out a not too golden erase for United.

R8 - Time to start adding the branches to my Redwood. Ginola blocks minimal players whilst still adding quality.
 
And now for my planning techniques.

R1 - Keane. Takes out United but leaves most countries alone.

R2 - Vieira. Wanted them together since I stared playing. Feck who he blocks I'm having him.

R3 - Same as Keane.

R4 - Most Milan players gone. AM pool starting to shrink.

R5/R6 - Central defenders quickly disappearing and don't fancy facing Ronaldo with a mid level cb pairing.

R7 - Need to limit the amount of players I'm blocking and Carrick rules out a not too golden erase for United.

R8 - Time to start adding the branches to my Redwood. Ginola blocks minimal players whilst still adding quality.

I thought your method was

Pick a player
Find out ineligible
Try a second pick
Farther away from being eligible than first pick
Google any player
Pick said player
Repeat for rounds 4-7
 
I thought your method was

Pick a player
Find out ineligible
Try a second pick
Farther away from being eligible than first pick
Google any player
Pick said player
Repeat for rounds 4-7

Yeah but the players I'm checking follow the guide above. Also the player has to fit the style I want.
 
I thought your method was

Pick a player
Find out ineligible
Try a second pick
Farther away from being eligible than first pick
Google any player
Pick said player
Repeat for rounds 4-7

:lol:
 
And now for my planning techniques.

R1 - Keane. Takes out United but leaves most countries alone.

R2 - Vieira. Wanted them together since I stared playing. Feck who he blocks I'm having him.

R3 - Same as Keane.

R4 - Most Milan players gone. AM pool starting to shrink.

R5/R6 - Central defenders quickly disappearing and don't fancy facing Ronaldo with a mid level cb pairing.

R7 - Need to limit the amount of players I'm blocking and Carrick rules out a not too golden erase for United.

R8 - Time to start adding the branches to my Redwood. Ginola blocks minimal players whilst still adding quality.
Your Puyol and Ginola picks hit hardest. But then, knowing I could never have Keane made Ruud far easier to plump for.
 
Your Puyol and Ginola picks hit hardest. But then, knowing I could never have Keane made Ruud far easier to plump for.

What do you mean by hit hardest? For me or for you? Ginola didn't rule out too many I fancied and Puyol was needed for the tactics
 
Had to make this easier on the eye.

Gio
- 1. Messi 2. Cafu 3. Cannavaro 4. Gerrard 5. Makelele 6. Brian Laudrup 7. Prosinečki

The Stain
- 1. Cristiano Ronaldo 2. Batistuta 3. Iniesta 4. Mauro Silva 5. Sagnol 6. Popescu 7. Terry

OneNil -
1. Maldini 2. Ferdinand 3. Henry 4. Mendieta 5. Mascherano 6. S. Ramos 7. Marchisio

DavidG
- 1. Ronaldo 2. Godin 3. Bergkamp 4. Evra 5. Veron 6. Conte 7. Ledley King

Raees/Invictus
1. Nesta 2. Davids 3. Scholes 4. Ribery 5. Chiellini 6. Essien 7. W Samuel

Bleezy
1. Sammer 2. R. Carlos 3. D. Alves 4. Torres 5. Ballack 6. Del Piero 7. Petit

Skizzo/Annah
1. Ronaldinho 2. Lizarazu 3. Robben 4. G. Neville 5. Guardiola 6. Simeone 7. Gamarra 8. Baraja

Mazhar/Enigma
1. Desailly 2. Zanetti 3. Giggs 4. Vidal 5. Shevchenko 6. Raúl 7. David Silva 8. Wörns

Tuppet
1. Zidane 2. Schweinsteiger 3. Stam 4. Ibrahimovic 5. Luis Enrique 6. Forlan 7. Panucci 8. Kompany

VivaJanuzaj/EAP
1. P Lahm 2. L. Suarez 3. Effenberg 4. Shearer 5. Overmars 6. Pires 7. Abidal 8.Hyypia

Physiocrat
1. Thuram 2. Modric 3. T.Silva 4. van Nistelrooy 5. Sol Campbell 6. G. Signori 7. Serginho 8. Kanchelskis

Downcast
1. R. Baggio 2. Kaka 3. Etoo 4. Ayala 5. Maniche 6. Xabi Alonso 7. Candela 8. F. De Boer

P-Nut
1. R. Keane 2. Vieira 3. Drogba 4. Rui Costa 5. Puyol 6. Barzagli 7. Carrick 8. Ginola

Aldo/prath92
1. Totti 2. Rivaldo 3. Vidic 4. Hierro 5. P. Montero 6. Z. Boban 7. Deco 8. Ljunberg

Pat Mustard
1. Redondo 2. Figo 3. A. Cole 4. Ferrara 5. Gascoigne 6. Villa 7. Petrescu 8. Boli

Joga Bonito
1. Xavi 2. Nedved 3. Seedorf 4. Carvalho 5. Deschamps 6. Lucio 7. Benarrivo 8. Neuer


@bleezy @Raees @DavidG

Ill be online for 10-12 hours if any of you want to leave your picks.
 
What do you mean by hit hardest? For me or for you? Ginola didn't rule out too many I fancied and Puyol was needed for the tactics
I wanted them. Ginola mostly :mad: even if he didn't get much love last time I picked him.
 
I wanted them. Ginola mostly :mad: even if he didn't get much love last time I picked him.

Yeah he's a quality player. I'm guessing it's just personal preference with some people but in a draft with these limitations he's a steal so low down the rounds.

Who are you shadowing by the way? Thought you might have picked your favoured 13 position.