Surveillance Draft R1: P-Nut vs Tuppet

[Raees]

Modric was on another level from anyone else on the field though, especially in the first half. He was seeing everything 2-3 steps ahead. He's obviously given way better performances, sure.

Why oh why did Fergie not break the bank for him.

 

[antohan]

Not that again

Had the same attitude, passion and single bloody mindedness to take a game by the scruff of the neck. Big game player.

Keano just specialised in a more withdrawn defensive role while Lucho shone brightest in three-quarters on. FWIW, Keane was very good in the final third and I reckon you'd see the similarities more clearly if only he had been afforded the freedom Lucho was.

 

[Deleted member 101472]

27-11

 

[Moby]

Had the same attitude, passion and single bloody mindedness to take a game by the scruff of the neck

Keane was far more than running around like a madman with passion and attitude, thats just a couple of his qualities and even in that Enrique wasn't at that level. Big game player is another thing, and a bit irrelevant. I know you love him so I'm not taking this forward but comparing him to Keane is just mad. I won't have it!

 

[antohan]

Keane was far more than running around like a madman with passion and attitude, thats just a couple of his qualities and even in that Enrique wasn't at that level. Big game player is another thing, and a bit irrelevant. I know you love him so I'm not taking this forward but comparing him to Keane is just mad. I won't have it!

OK

 

[sajeev]

27-11

Draft games are funny that way. small margins end up in big leads. the way too read it is more in terms of %, which in football terms rounding things a built witless be 3-1.
Which could happen given the fine margins involved

 

[P-Nut]

27-11

To be honest the injuries did ruin me. The fact I was still losing even before the injuries is crazy though I'll agree.

 

[antohan]

To be honest the injuries did ruin me. The fact I was still losing even before the injuries is crazy though I'll agree.

The problem really wasn't the injury but Carrick off for mmm errr Robinho. You lost a lot and added the square root of feckall, and you could have avoided that picking someone other than Carragher really.

 

[Moby]

The problem really wasn't the injury but Carrick off for mmm errr Robinho. You lost a lot and added the square root of feckall, and you could have avoided that picking someone other than Carragher really.

Did he have any Inter Milan players? Cordoba would have been great, I really wanted him but Julio Cesar cockblocked him.

 

[antohan]

Did he have any Inter Milan players? Cordoba would have been great, I really wanted him but Julio Cesar cockblocked him.

Probably Vieira? In any case, there are tonnes of CBs who could get picked and be far better than a "Carragher + Carrick off for Robinho" package. Gio's Korean for starters. In fact Puyol-MyungBo-Barzagli would have been better from the start.

I seem to remember PNut didn't realise Carragher and Carrick clashed, which is an epic brainfart.

 

[P-Nut]

Probably Vieira? In any case, there are tonnes of CBs who could get picked and be far better than a "Carragher + Carrick off for Robinho" package. Gio's Korean for starters. In fact Puyol-MyungBo-Barzagli would have been better from the start.

I seem to remember PNut didn't realise Carragher and Carrick clashed, which is an epic brainfart.

Yeah that was the problem. It was last pick, I knew I wouldn't be around when it got to me so I just plucked the first name out of the air I could think of. To be honest that's how I went through the full draft. Surprised I managed to get 11 players on the pitch to start with.

 

[antohan]

It's a travesty, my shadow team would have twatted these sides plucked out of thin air. And there I was thinking it needed lots of research

 

[Enigma_87]

To be honest the injuries did ruin me. The fact I was still losing even before the injuries is crazy though I'll agree.

was fairly busy and didn't follow the score that much I'd imagine being one sided after the injuries? Tuppet's side arguably got better while you had to reshuffle and take Carrick off to accommodate Carragher, which was a pity.

 

[Isotope]

I know I'm being a bit anal and it's become a bit of a hobby-horse, but I'm never really a fan of a forward arrow on Rui Costa. He wasn't the Kaka or Litmanen type who drove into boxes and plundered goals. At Milan he scored four goals in five seasons - he was all about setting up others as his partnership with Batigol at Fiorentina testified.

True. He's like a marauding Maradona without the goal threat.

 

[Isotope]

Spoiler: Vieira, Keane, Schweini

Agreed with the notion both operate better with a DM next to them, whereas with Keano.. I'd argue he is in less need of a DM next to him, although in Europe against the very best he did need Butt next to him for that extra reinforcement. Whereas I felt with Schweini for regular games week in week out, he'd need a DM but in one off games he could play as a DM.

In terms of controlling a game through passing ability, I'd rate Schweini higher than both Keano and Viera as he has that level of silk, closer to the likes of Modric/Scholes but not quite as good a technician but his on the ball skills, in terms of footwork was top tier and his range of passing, superior. He didn't need to rely on his athleticism to beat a man, he used more guile and intelligence.. whereas Viera who also had deft footwork, relied more on his athleticism. Keane in terms of footwork, less gifted than either but he had an aura on the ball and a conviction in possession which the other two don't quite match. Keane was a very intense player in possession, rather like Davids.. where no moment on the ball is wasted, the other two slightly more lacksadaisical on the ball which gives the impression that they have more time on the ball.

Off the ball, Keano has the best aggression, can really grab a game by the scruff of the neck.. Viera has it too, but against top top opponents, I'd rather have a Keano as he is fearless against anyone whereas Viera had a ceiling for me. Schweini less aggressive but a more clever footballer positionally.. the fact he is less dynamic than the other two, makes him look weaker than them two but he read the game extremely well.

I'd definitely rate Keano as better than Viera, but Schweini is more a game controller rather than a just pure B2B midfielder at his best. Not sure where he is in relation to them two, but I don't see him as the type of guy who'd be overwhelmed by them.. he has alot of confidence on the ball and even if he is pressed hard, kicked around.. he has the tenacity and strength of will to handle it. On the other hand, in terms of his defensive work.. I can't see him being able to keep a rampaging Viera on a leash.. physically in that respect, he'd struggle imo

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100% agreed with this. Good summary, mate.

 

[Physiocrat]

I know I'm being a bit anal and it's become a bit of a hobby-horse, but I'm never really a fan of a forward arrow on Rui Costa. He wasn't the Kaka or Litmanen type who drove into boxes and plundered goals. At Milan he scored four goals in five seasons - he was all about setting up others as his partnership with Batigol at Fiorentina testified.

I agree. P-Nut was having problems with SharemyTactics so I threw it together quickly and didn't remove the arrow to save time (plus I had to resubmit a few times to make sure the other more important arrows weren't wrong)

 

[Ecstatic]

P-Nut

Goalkeeper: Handonovic
Right Centre Back: Puyol - Destroyer
Centre Back: Barzagli - Ball Playing Centre Back
Left Centre Back: Garay - Destroyer
Defensive Midfielder: Carrick - Deep Lying Playmaker
Right Central Midfielder: Keane - Box to Box Midfielder
Left Central Midfielder: Vieira - Box to Box Midfielder
Attacking Midfielder: Rui Costa - Advanced Playmaker (Free Role)
Right Wing: Basler - Traditional Winger
Left Wing: Ginola - Inside Forward
Striker: Drogba - Target Man

Tactics -
Quick Transitions
Power through midfield
Counter Attack

Sorry as I land here tardily. It would have been interesting to know the version/career peak of some players.

Too late but my questions would have been about the offensive strategy of Tuppet & defensie strategy of Pnut.

As usual, Pnut has submitter an unorthodox tactical system

Vieira is severely underrated on this forum generally and it stems in here as well.
Bastian is more versatile, tactically flexible and can connect different sorts of teammates together well but in a 1v1 anyone, not just him, will need something special to trounce Patrick, as Roy Keane often found out.

I think so. Let's say that Bastian is more well-rounded while Viera is a specialist/beast, a more reliable player imo.

In the context of this game, by the way, Vieira and Keane would absolutely dominate Schweinsteiger and Ince. It's a harsh result when you consider that one team quite clearly dominates the middle of the park.

Agreed. Now, it's hard to sell a team without conventional full-back or side-midfielders not to mention the fact that Garay & Barzagli are not the most glamorous players.

To be honest the injuries did ruin me. The fact I was still losing even before the injuries is crazy though I'll agree.

Yeah, on the one hand, you have lost a player without having a proper sub while Tuppet had been forward-thinking with the versatile Panucci & sub Arce.