Film Superman (2025)

HookedOnAPhelan said:
Superman films have all been shit. Superman Returns had such a great teaser, and the only film I really looked forward to, but the film ended up being completely different to what the teaser suggested.

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That teaser was indeed very good. So Superman Returns is basically Superman 3 right? Using the John Williams theme and Marlon Brando.

I think Superman Returns is better than Man of Steel, loved the plane rescue scene, but the actor looked too young. I prefer Henry Cavill's appearance and physique, but Brandon Routh is the better actor.

I think I enjoy Snyder's movies better than Gunn's movies, the former has more genre defining titles to his name.
Dawn of the Dead, 300 and Watchmen are three of my favorite movies.
 
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Chumpsbechumps said:
Good question.

I used to work in a video store and I don’t think I will ever do a job i loved as much, I love movies. That’s another story.

The short answer is that I’ve found over the years that sometimes my enjoyment of movies can depend on my mood , the circumstances of watching the movie and/or my attention when it’s on.

I watched “Magnolia” and hated it. Wasn’t ready for the style and quirky nature and wasn’t in the mood to pay attention. Turned it off an hour in. But one night was bored , flicking around and it was on channel 4. I started watching it again and I was absorbed in it.

I remember going to see watchmen in the cinema. Expected an X rated Xmen movie and was bored. Watched it again on tv and loved it. So my expectations shifted.

With BVS I just thought it was messy and squeezed too much into it. On rewatch I watched it to see what bits I enjoyed and realised there’s a lot I like about it. The Martha thing is bollox if you don’t enjoy the movie but if you let go it’s not really that much a problem. (I think that things like “same moms” happens in good movies but people don’t get upset cause your enjoyment of a movie determines what you choose will matter or annoy you).

Another thing with BVS was that I watched it again when on the ferry to France on my own. Cinema was empty and I was just starting my holidays and my wife was looking after the kids in our room. So was really nice and relaxing.

I’ve found that I’ve been able to take more from movies, flaws and all, as I’ve gotten older. There’s no benefit to raging on movies.

Like the newer alien movies. Aliens is my favourite movie possibly of all time. The newer movies aren’t anywhere close to them. But I don’t see them as a threat to my enjoyment of aliens and think they are decent (and beautifully made) horror movies within the franchise.

Equally watching alien covenant on France ferry was nice. I enjoy these movies more on repeat because like most I want them to be good and am disappointed in first viewing but unlike most I’m willing to watch again with lower expectations.

With movies I’m like Kevin smith where I focus more on what I can get from them then what i think is wrong. Wish I could do that with everything else in my life
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Preach, brother!
 
Ish said:
I liked MoS Mockney!
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MoS Mockney was a bit too broody for my liking. I preferred the 1970s arthouse Mockney, who chucked pellets of his shit at strangers on the street.
 
I think the most important elements if it's an origin story is cast and pacing. I think the Nolan films is not a good benchmark because Batman's origins are predominately natural expressions so it's far easier for the story to produce sentimentality compared to an alien from Space.

I don't think Gunn should drag all the bravado and witty humor from Guardians as inspiration, look at the landscape of Superman's character and his enemies in the comics Doomsday Darkseid etc all relatively insane so it should have tension alongside building a solid foundation in how they tell the backstory.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
Nathan Fillion is in it so I'm basically contracted to watch it.

Thought and Snyder film that involved Superman we're abysmal, so won't take much for it to be better then those.
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Fingers crossed he's playing the main guy :lol:
 
Chumpsbechumps said:
I admittedly have a soft spot for some Snyder stuff. Loved watchman dawn of the dead and just find I enjoy the feel of his movies. Some of his movies are a beautiful mess. Although rebel moon was awful.

BvS I did not like on first watch but enjoyed more on repeat, particularly extended cut. I thought his JL 4 hour movie was enjoyable aswell although I don’t know why he didn’t stick with the awesome score from BvS.
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My problem with Snyder is he can't tell a good story. It's all moments here and there which would be fine if it had a good build to it or aftermath, which would lead to the next big moment.
 
Sylar said:
My problem with Snyder is he can't tell a good story. It's all moments here and there which would be fine if it had a good build to it or aftermath, which would lead to the next big moment.
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The Ole of directors.
 
HookedOnAPhelan said:
Superman films have all been shit. Superman Returns had such a great teaser, and the only film I really looked forward to, but the film ended up being completely different to what the teaser suggested.

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Such a shame. I think I'd rather watch Superman Returns than any of the recent efforts, it's aesthetic and feel is fantastic, but ultimately the story was undercooked, after a 26-year gap, not sure that we were ready for the Son of Superman story it was setting up.
 
Superman: The Movie set too high a bar, nothing else has come close.

Rewatched Superman Returns a short while back, in the hope it wasn’t as bad as I remembered. I was wrong, it was even worse.

Don’t have high hopes for this one as superhero films in general have become a fun but soulless CGI fest, not expecting any different.
 
I personally quite liked man of steel. Not enjoyed anything else with Superman mind.
 
HookedOnAPhelan said:
Superman films have all been shit. Superman Returns had such a great teaser, and the only film I really looked forward to, but the film ended up being completely different to what the teaser suggested.

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At least all of those scenes appeared in the actual film, unlike a lot of teasers and trailers these days.

There were some really good things in Superman Returns, but some shit as well. Lex Luthor trying another version of a real estate/land grab felt like a waste, for one. But I would have liked to see what happened with super kid in a sequel we never got much more than any of the Snyder bollocks that we got instead.
 
I have Watchmen and Joker up there in the mix with the Nolan trilogy as far as DC adaptations go. The new Suicide Squad was criminally underrated.
 
Superman II the Richard Donner cut is my favourite of the films. With the exception of III and IV, i think there's something to like in them all.
 
Reiver said:
Superman II the Richard Donner cut is my favourite of the films. With the exception of III and IV, i think there's something to like in them all.
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You didn't enjoy Superman going around being a dick and blowing out the Olympic flame and straightening the leaning tower of Piza in III? There's a lot of shit in that film, but it's got some interesting and fun bits in it.

IV is irredeemable though, genuinely one of the worst films I've ever seen.
 
Shazam 2 was pretty good. Helps when people have low expectations. Didn't mind Shazam 1 either.

MoS was alright, felt it could have been fleshed out better. Tried to pack in too much into one film. Everything else Snyder done has been dogshite for DC (for me at least).

I'm excited for Gunn but I didn't much like his suicide squad. Tried to be funny when it was pretty bland. Weirdly humour is meant to be his strong suit.
 
What's the appeal of Superman? People hate captain marvel because she's overpowered but superman gets a pass, why?
 
MiceOnMeth said:
What's the appeal of Superman? People hate captain marvel because she's overpowered but superman gets a pass, why?
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He's the first superhero and he beats up nazis.
 
decorativeed said:
You didn't enjoy Superman going around being a dick and blowing out the Olympic flame and straightening the leaning tower of Piza in III? There's a lot of shit in that film, but it's got some interesting and fun bits in it.

IV is irredeemable though, genuinely one of the worst films I've ever seen.
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I didn't particularly like the third, no. But you got me thinking about it and that's the one where Superman fights Clark? That is a good scene.
IV might be so bad it's good. The effects are worse than the first film.
 
The only thing that kinda worries me about this one is how many characters will be stuffed in. Of all the announced ones unless it's like a one shot of the new Justice League and most don't speak it is a whole lot to put in a Superman film.
 
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Josh Trank's Superman unfortunately.
 
VP89 said:
Shazam 2 was pretty good. Helps when people have low expectations. Didn't mind Shazam 1 either.

MoS was alright, felt it could have been fleshed out better. Tried to pack in too much into one film. Everything else Snyder done has been dogshite for DC (for me at least).

I'm excited for Gunn but I didn't much like his suicide squad. Tried to be funny when it was pretty bland. Weirdly humour is meant to be his strong suit.
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I liked The Suicide Squad, thinks it’s one of his better efforts. GOTG obviously the standout, and the Peacemaker TV series was very good on many levels. GOTG 2 wasn’t very good, and 3 was only decent, not comparable to the first, which is in my top 5 of superhero films (probably). Most of the rest of his catalogue is pretty average at best.

I also have a weird soft spot for MoS. I actually quite enjoyed it in many ways. There were some maddening elements of crapness - like the terrible colour palette, and the Jonathan Kent death, which was just ridiculous; plus the obviously expected and egregious use of slow motion - but I still quite liked it. But otherwise, Snyder is one of the worst directors working today.

300 was entertaining for what it was - testosterone and fantasy in slow motion - Watchmen was passably okay but a rewatch a decade later reveals it to be a mich more superficial adaptation that originally heralded. Virtually everything he has done has been an abomination. BvS, as someone else said, is objectively terribly. Justice League, whichever version you watch - including the four hour supersnyder cut, is appalling. Sucker Punch is bullet to the brain bad. Day of the Dead was alright to be fair, but the two new Rebel Moon movies are about as bad as big budget movie making can get. And that’s saying something in a world where Michael Bay exists.

Cavill was done dirty by DC, as I think he’s one of the only good things to come out of DC, but he had feck all to work with. I will concede that he’s actually not a very good actor, but his demeanour, looks, personality, physique and delivery, all fit the character really well. I suppose fairly easily replaceable though.

On Shazam 2, I am surprised to hear you say that. I thought Shazam 1 was fun, and didn’t take itself too seriously. Not a great film by any measure, but a fairly great intro to the character, Shazam 2, by contrast, was one of the worst films of its genre I have seen in a long time.
 
Prediction : Will be shit.

Superman is a perfect comic book character as you can have small world stories easily, or galactic battles too. Cover to cover you can have a good time and accept that’s the world that’s built.

Putting it on screen you have to deal with reality too much. If Superman actually existed, in a world not covered in Kryptonite, it’d play out like Genesis merged with a Craig David song. 7 days to sort out the planet AND his Love life. Just bopping about stopping all wars, telling people not to be cnuts.

The only genuinely interesting Superman properties have been the schmaltzy Superman & Lois or Smallville. At least they afford some point of interrogation that comes with being an alien of cosmic power, on a planet of weak as piss humans.

I don’t really care for the large scale world ending bollocks with myriad powerful aliens and such. I’m sure there ARE talented filmmakers out there that can make a great movie with the intellectual property, but it would wind up being a movie that didn’t gross billions and get global audiences going mental.

Superman vs Capitalism would be fun. Let the big man go full socialist, educating world leaders on the insanity of its current free market systems. Get him working on cycling infrastructure and mass transit networks. Get him knocking on the door or anyone that ever has £50m in their bank account and just laser their skull out on LiveStream. Yoink Musk into space as he does the Dennis Nedry uh-uh-uh voice.

I mean, obviously I’ll watch the new film like everyone. But I can’t see it being good.
 
Really wanted a sequel to Justice League. I was intrigued by the setup at the end but it'll never happen now.
 
The Cat said:
Really wanted a sequel to Justice League. I was intrigued by the setup at the end but it'll never happen now.
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I would have liked it for completeness but it's a whole bunch of mess. Snyder ruined a universe that was so damn easy to build. When you have so much source material it shouldnt be this difficult to put together years of stories but somehow they managed to do it.

I think Snyder just didn't understand or like superman. Hoping we get some good grounded movies
 
Jericholyte2 said:
So looks like a collared suit and a belt buckle?
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Got the undies as well. Whether they have the silly lines on and are half-inch thick rubber over the rest of the half-inch thick rubber is still an open question.
 
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