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Its would look better if we desist from shielding our players' indiscretions, and at the same time, pointing out those of players from other clubs.

Giggs screwing his brother's wife or ex wife is okay. But Terry screwing his friend's ex girl is despicable.
 
No one is justifying his actions because of other players' bad behavior. I just pointed out that certain United players behaved just as badly, if not worse, but due to understandable bias their wrongdoings are viewed in a totally different light by many here, and most don't even realize it.
No shit mate, it's a United forum.

If you're looking for less bias, try a football forum. I wouldn't go to a Chelski forum and complain at how biased it was, they're fans!
 
Its would look better if we desist from shielding our players' indiscretions, and at the same time, pointing out those of players from other clubs.

Giggs screwing his brother's wife or ex wife is okay. But Terry screwing his friend's ex girl is despicable.

What Ryan did was morally wrong but it didn't have anything do with football. The headline on the gossip page points out how Terry racially abusing a fellow footballer has brought disrepute to the club. What was the need to bring Giggs into the discussion by Antihenry? Do we support because he an awesome footballer and a model professional on the pitch or do we support him because he is an awesome family man?

It was petty shot to say the least. Four year old children are smart enough these days to avoid pointless mud-slinging.
 
No shit mate, it's a United forum.

If you're looking for less bias, try a football forum. I wouldn't go to a Chelski forum and complain at how biased it was, they're fans!

Who's complaining?

We're just having a discussion, that's what forum is all about, right?
 
Who's complaining?

We're just having a discussion, that's what forum is all about, right?

Ok, complaining might be a strong word for it.

I just pointed out that certain United players behaved just as badly, if not worse, but due to understandable bias their wrongdoings are viewed in a totally different light by many here, and most don't even realize it.

Yes, you are right. His brother and his wife should have been more understanding. In fact, we should all chip in and reimburse Ryan for all the abortions he paid for while screwing his sister-in-law.

Let's slag off Colleen for not taking proper care of Wayne and driving him into the hooker's bed. That Leeds fan, he was asking for it, the kung fu kick made him realize the error of his ways and he should be grateful to Cantona for the lesson. Alfe-Inge Haaland really gave Roy Keane no other alternative than to try to break his leg for even suggesting that Roy feigned his injury during a game three and a half years earlier.

Now, that John Terry, he's real scumbag and what possible excuses can he have for his reprehensible behaviour.

As for "indiscretions" from United players, you have got to be joking. Worst of them all is clearly Giggs. I am of course biased, but what he's done to his family is far worse than what Terry or Rooney for that matter did for a number of reasons. Going out to injure your fellow athlete like Keane did or jumping into the stands to give vicious beating to a fan ala Cantona are both horrible actions but at the very least you could try and understand the emotions involved and the circumstances, even if you can't forgive the actions.

What Giggs has been doing with his sister-in-law has been going on for years (!) and his betrayal destroyed his family. It was calculated and extremely selfish, he lived a double life, while betraying his wife and his own brother. Somehow it didn't prevent him from captaining the Team GB at the Olympics and many United fans still hailing him as their hero.

But you definitely won't shut the feck up about it. Discussion? That's a rant.
 
What Ryan did was morally wrong but it didn't have anything do with football. The headline on the gossip page points out how Terry racially abusing a fellow footballer has brought disrepute to the club. What was the need to bring Giggs into the discussion by Antihenry? Do we support because he an awesome footballer and a model professional on the pitch or do we support him because he is an awesome family man?

It was petty shot to say the least. Four year old children are smart enough these days to avoid pointless mud-slinging.

So morals don't count for anything when you support your hero Ryan Giggs?
According to you, having sex with your sister-in-law and paying for her abortions for years is fine because he's such a model professional on a pitch.
Is that what you're saying?

Then why so much hate for John Terry? As a footballer, you may rate him or not, but he's clearly very good at what he does for a living. If his personality and personal flaws shouldn't matter, than 90% of criticism aimed at Terry should be dismissed. Let' just judge his strengths and weaknesses as a player, after all Cantona and Keane were both top class footballers, and overall nice guys, except for those rare occasions when they weren't.
 
Being a loud mouthed, racist scumbag is a worse character trait than being a love cheat, in my opinion.

I mean, both are undesirable character traits. But I could imagine being friends with someone who I wouldnt trust not to hit on my missus. Not very good friends, but I could imagine getting on with such a person perfectly well, but always being on guard - and warning anyone I cared about who might get fecked over.

But someone who is liable to say highly offensive, racist things to people when you are out, I would not associate with.

That is the side of Terry I have a problem with. I couldnt give a shit if he shagged Wayne Bridge's missus or not to be honest. Bridge was probably shagging some other dolly at the time anyway. The sex lives of famous people doesnt interest me in the least. But the stream of media reports about his loud and offensive behaviour in public, that I find objectionable.
 
Its would look better if we desist from shielding our players' indiscretions, and at the same time, pointing out those of players from other clubs.

Giggs screwing his brother's wife or ex wife is okay. But Terry screwing his friend's ex girl is despicable.

We aren't saying that. Just that it is only one of MANY flaws displayed by Terry. Giggsy , apart from that business with his sister in law etc, hasn't done anything else, whereas the list is endless , with JT. An appalling specimen of a human in any capacity, but for an England captain too? Beyond belief
 
We aren't saying that. Just that it is only one of MANY flaws displayed by Terry. Giggsy , apart from that business with his sister in law etc, hasn't done anything else, whereas the list is endless , with JT. An appalling specimen of a human in any capacity, but for an England captain too? Beyond belief

What Giggs did was the lowest of low though and the fact that it was his only action that saw the light doesn't mean he's any better than Terry. Had Terry been our player we wouldn't be half as bothered about his actions on and off the putch as we are now.
 
What Giggs did was the lowest of low though and the fact that it was his only action that saw the light doesn't mean he's any better than Terry. Had Terry been our player we wouldn't be half as bothered about his actions on and off the putch as we are now.

I know his actions were terrible, but there's not one aspect of JT to be proud of
 
Giggs is an absolute shitbag for sleeping with his brother's wife, and while you cannot take away what he has done for this club, I've never been able to look at him the same way. I was always proud to say that Ryan Giggs never had a blemish to his name, either on or off the pitch. But aside from all that with his sister-in-law, he hasn't anything else to his name.

Sorry, but nobody and I mean nobody can compare to the utter, vile piece of shit that is John Terry. His list of indiscretions are endless. The affairs aside, it's also these:

Racial abuse (not just with Anton Ferdinand)
The mocking of Americans in the aftermath of 9/11
Urinating in a nightclub
Parking in a disabled bay
Assaulting a bouncer
Taking money to show somebody around Chelsea's training ground behind the club's back.
 
Giggs is an absolute shitbag for sleeping with his brother's wife, and while you cannot take away what he has done for this club, I've never been able to look at him the same way. I was always proud to say that Ryan Giggs never had a blemish to his name, either on or off the pitch. But aside from all that with his sister-in-law, he hasn't anything else to his name.

Sorry, but nobody and I mean nobody can compare to the utter, vile piece of shit that is John Terry. His list of indiscretions are endless. The affairs aside, it's also these:

Racial abuse (not just with Anton Ferdinand)
The mocking of Americans in the aftermath of 9/11
Urinating in a nightclub
Parking in a disabled bay
Assaulting a bouncer
Taking money to show somebody around Chelsea's training ground behind the club's back.

best post of the thread :)
 
So morals don't count for anything when you support your hero Ryan Giggs?
According to you, having sex with your sister-in-law and paying for her abortions for years is fine because he's such a model professional on a pitch.
Is that what you're saying?

Then why so much hate for John Terry? As a footballer, you may rate him or not, but he's clearly very good at what he does for a living. If his personality and personal flaws shouldn't matter, than 90% of criticism aimed at Terry should be dismissed. Let' just judge his strengths and weaknesses as a player, after all Cantona and Keane were both top class footballers, and overall nice guys, except for those rare occasions when they weren't.

Him having sex with his sister-in-law affects his family, and his family only. I didn't condone his acts. If you go back and read my earlier post, I said that it was morally wrong.

Racially abusing someone is not related to just a single or a few individuals. It has a negative affect on society in general. By racially abusing someone he is showing his prejudice and hate towards a certain section of people.

Do you see the difference?

Again, why bring Cantona, Giggs or Keane into the discussion? Their acts don't mitigate what Terry has done on numerous occasions. Why do you feel the need to justify his actions by blaming others? How does it absolve Terry of anything? It is petty of you to bring them into the discussion.
 
Racial abuse (not just with Anton Ferdinand)
The mocking of Americans in the aftermath of 9/11
Urinating in a nightclub
Parking in a disabled bay
Assaulting a bouncer
Taking money to show somebody around Chelsea's training ground behind the club's back.

The 9/11 one is the other one that always sticks in my mind, that tells you everything you need to know about EBJT as a person. Vile man.
 
Him having sex with his sister-in-law affects his family, and his family only. I didn't condone his acts. If you go back and read my earlier post, I said that it was morally wrong.

Racially abusing someone is not related to just a single or a few individuals. It has a negative affect on society in general. By racially abusing someone he is showing his prejudice and hate towards a certain section of people.

Do you see the difference?

Again, why bring Cantona, Giggs or Keane into the discussion? Their acts don't mitigate what Terry has done on numerous occasions. Why do you feel the need to justify his actions by blaming others? How does it absolve Terry of anything? It is petty of you to bring them into the discussion.
He's had to bring Keane Cantona and Giggs in , because their sins COMBINED
are still not as bad as the character of his captain. Yes, captain. Bobby Moore must be rolling in his grave.
I hate a lot of the youth of today, no manners, respect, morals, and guess what, the former England captain, encapsulates the lot!!
 
I remember when John Terry got sent off in that Semi in the CC. Completely denied it until they showed him the video, then his tune changed instantly.

That for me is the mark of the "man". Scum.
 
Him having sex with his sister-in-law affects his family, and his family only. I didn't condone his acts. If you go back and read my earlier post, I said that it was morally wrong.

Racially abusing someone is not related to just a single or a few individuals. It has a negative affect on society in general. By racially abusing someone he is showing his prejudice and hate towards a certain section of people.

Do you see the difference?

Again, why bring Cantona, Giggs or Keane into the discussion? Their acts don't mitigate what Terry has done on numerous occasions. Why do you feel the need to justify his actions by blaming others? How does it absolve Terry of anything? It is petty of you to bring them into the discussion.

Terry calling somebody a black cnut in the heat of an argument is wrong, but it doesn't make him a racist. I doubt he'd be able to live and work among so many black players and lead quite a few of them as a captain without displaying any sort of obvious racist behavior for so many years. Having a moment of stupidity in the middle of a heated argument makes you say a lot of stuff you tend to regret later. If he did say that, Terry should have apologized to Ferdinand right then and there or at least after the game, no matter what the consequences. Still, making that remark doesn't automatically make him a racist, only someone who never a lived a day in the real world or driven by their bias against the man in question to begin with, would jump to that conclusion.

If you read the thread carefully, you'll notice that my first post was a reply to someone citing how Chelsea, as a club, has a tarnished reputation due to behavior of some of their players. That's why I used several United players from the past and present to point out that bias doesn't allow supporters to see their own players for what they are, while they readily slag off rival footballers for the similar wrongdoings.
 
I remember when John Terry got sent off in that Semi in the CC. Completely denied it until they showed him the video, then his tune changed instantly.

That for me is the mark of the "man". Scum.

As he has denied everything - until he sees the evidence . He has absolutely no attributes are far as I can see. You are completely correct in saying he is scum . Which begs the question - how on earth has he got away with it for do long?
 
As he has denied everything - until he sees the evidence . He has absolutely no attributes are far as I can see. You are completely correct in saying he is scum . Which begs the question - how on earth has he got away with it for do long?
Because he's John "Lionheart" Terry, didn't you know? He's untouchable.

Plus kids (and people with the mental age of kids) are never disciplined as heavily as adults.
 
This thread has taken the strange turn.
 
He's had to bring Keane Cantona and Giggs in , because their sins COMBINED
are still not as bad as the character of his captain. Yes, captain. Bobby Moore must be rolling in his grave.
I hate a lot of the youth of today, no manners, respect, morals, and guess what, the former England captain, encapsulates the lot!!

Don't assume you know what I'm doing and why, because you don't.

What Giggs has done is easily worse than anything Terry did. That's my honest opinion.But obviously, I'm biased.
 
Don't assume you know what I'm doing and why, because you don't.

What Giggs has done is easily worse than anything Terry did. That's my honest opinion.But obviously, I'm biased.
The thing that you've forgotten to do is ask us our views on what we think, instead you've told us what our views are whilst also showing massive amounts of disrespect to all of us, then you wonder why we're not taking one bit of it on board?

Right, ok, Giggs was a twat for cheating, Cantona was a twat for kicking that fella, Keano was a twat when he went in to hurt Haaland (and it's bollocks that his career ended because of it).

John Terry is a twat for existing though, he is, stands for and has done everything I hate, all the while pretending he's what every English person stands for.

Trust me, I don't use the word scum lightly, but in this case it is definitely relevant.
 
Don't assume you know what I'm doing and why, because you don't.

What Giggs has done is easily worse than anything Terry did. That's my honest opinion.But obviously, I'm biased.

I guess if that's your stance you won't mind me coming in unannounced and calling you a total waft. Absolutely ludicrous imo to compare genuinely bringing THE GAME into disrepute to major off field incidents.
 
Giggs' revelations shocked the world. Nothing Terry does shocks anyone.

Morally speaking, Giggs is clearly the worse sinner, probably the worst behavior I can think of from any footballer. His hypocrisy is breathtaking. He wanted the spotless public image so he kept all his bad behavior close to home-in his brother's household of all places.

But professionally speaking, Terry is clearly worse. For me Terry and his brother are with the Joey Barton's and Ravel Morrison's of the world. A common street thug. They never seem to be able to rise above their upbringing. Obviously when you are talking about footballers and rough backgrounds it is a matter of degree and not kind. Rooney is clearly no saint. If you want to compare Terry's behavior to Keane's leg breaking tactics, Cantona jumping into the crowd, or Scholes' handballs and cynical challenges, go ahead. Off the pitch Keane and Scholes seem to be devoted family men, and Cantona is the sort of fellow you would want to discuss philosophy over a glass of wine, but on the pitch they were/are capable of shocking behavior. But United bias aside, I still think that most of the time Keane, Scholes and Cantona were honest footballers, even luminous footballers who caught the imagination, whereas Terry has just always seemed a lowlife to me.

"Captain Fantastic"'s behavior has kept honest footballers like Wayne Bridge and Rio Ferdinand from representing the country they love when England should have its best players representing it on the world stage. I think the media hype around Terry is a disgrace. The glowing encomiums to Ryan Giggs' character have gone silent since his shame was uncovered. Giggs was made captain of Britain's Olympic team because he was the oldest player with the most experience and the most quality. On the pitch Giggs remains a model professional. Why Terry kept getting selected as captain over the likes of Rio Ferdinand or Steven Gerrard or Wayne Rooney or Joe Hart is beyond me. I think he is made captain of Chelsea simply because he is going to berate the referees all match anyway, so he might as well have the title which allows him to do so without getting warned by the referee. Plus he's English and speaks English as his first language unlike many others in the Chelsea squad. Oh, and he'd probably undermine his manager and his captain if he weren't made captain. In fact if I were Terry's manager I'd probably either sell him or make him captain because as they say, keep your friends close and your enemies closer. The managers change at Chelsea, but Terry stays the same.
 
Terry calling somebody a black cnut in the heat of an argument is wrong, but it doesn't make him a racist. I doubt he'd be able to live and work among so many black players and lead quite a few of them as a captain without displaying any sort of obvious racist behavior for so many years. Having a moment of stupidity in the middle of a heated argument makes you say a lot of stuff you tend to regret later. If he did say that, Terry should have apologized to Ferdinand right then and there or at least after the game, no matter what the consequences. Still, making that remark doesn't automatically make him a racist, only someone who never a lived a day in the real world or driven by their bias against the man in question to begin with, would jump to that conclusion.

If you read the thread carefully, you'll notice that my first post was a reply to someone citing how Chelsea, as a club, has a tarnished reputation due to behavior of some of their players. That's why I used several United players from the past and present to point out that bias doesn't allow supporters to see their own players for what they are, while they readily slag off rival footballers for the similar wrongdoings.

Why couldn't he call him just a "cnut"? What was the need to bring the word "black" into the abuse?

Do you go around mentioning people's skill color before swearing at them? The use of the work "black" before cnut was used in a derogatory sense. Nothing you say can deny it. As a captain and leader, you have to maintain a certain decorum. An English captain is not just representing the XI players on the pitch. He is an ambassador for the whole nation. You cannot afford to be a fecking cnut in what you are describing as a"moment of stupidity".

And when did he regret his actions or apologize to Ferdinand? He has been denying the whole charge since the moment the incident was brought to notice. That makes him a bigger twat.

Making a deplorable remark, calling someone's being just because he is born of a certain skin color is acting like a racist idiot. In this real world, that you live in, people go around racially abusing each other? Where is this real world?

Again, what does Terry bringing Chelsea to disrepute, as per Lord Triesman, has to do with United? Should he have called out Giggs for sleeping with his sister-in-law?
 
Don't assume you know what I'm doing and why, because you don't.

What Giggs has done is easily worse than anything Terry did. That's my honest opinion.But obviously, I'm biased.

You honestly think that sleeping with his brother's wife , while deplorable, is worse than ALL that twat Terry's faults? His actions over 9/11 alone were appalling!!
 
Ryan Giggs is a United legend, an extremely rich man and was married with his own kids

he could have had almost any woman he wanted

yet he had an affair with his own brothers wife that would last for years - how he looked his brother in the eye or even lived with himself is beyond me

the Giggs story is something you expect to see on Jeremy Kyle or Eastenders and defies belief

Terry seems a deplorable classless character after all that he's done but Giggs betrayed his own flesh and blood over and over again for the best part of 10 years.

I could take someone racially abusing me (its happened before), being drunk and offending me (its happened before) and the other selfish stupid stuff Terry has done like sleeping with his team mates ex

it is all ridiculous behaviour but for me it is not as bad as what Giggs did - you could understand a little if Giggs was a one off but for him to do that over and over again for all those years I can't believe it - Giggs has torn his own family apart and his brother has had to live with his humiliation in the public eye

Terry has been incredibly stupid - what Giggs did though is unforgivable
 
You honestly think that sleeping with his brother's wife , while deplorable, is worse than ALL that twat Terry's faults? His actions over 9/11 alone were appalling!!

Him and three of his teammates, while drunk, were mocking some US tourists in the immediate aftermath of the 9/11 attacks. It's stupid, insensitive and deplorable. But how does this even begin to compare with Giggs' betrayal of his own family that lasted for many years? You really can't see the difference?
 
Him and three of his teammates, while drunk, were mocking some US tourists in the immediate aftermath of the 9/11 attacks. It's stupid, insensitive and deplorable. But how does this even begin to compare with Giggs' betrayal of his own family that lasted for many years? You really can't see the difference?

What I am saying is that as bad as Giggsy's behaviour was , it was one sin, If you like . JT is guilty of many! And this man was England captain !
He's just a common little Chav with too much money . I really can't bear him
 
Him and three of his teammates, while drunk, were mocking some US tourists in the immediate aftermath of the 9/11 attacks. It's stupid, insensitive and deplorable. But how does this even begin to compare with Giggs' betrayal of his own family that lasted for many years? You really can't see the difference?

Giggs' situation was disgusting, and I wouldn't be surprised if his brother never speaks to him again. Giggs will have to deal with the consequences of that, and he'll have to live with that regret.

But to stand and mock people over the deaths of their fellow countrymen is the lowest of the low, we're talking about people dying here.
 
What I am saying is that as bad as Giggsy's behaviour was , it was one sin, If you like . JT is guilty of many! And this man was England captain !
He's just a common little Chav with too much money . I really can't bear him

It wasn't one sin, it was a continous action that lasted for a few years. Most of Terry's bad behaviors were one off to be fair.
 
No one is justifying his actions because of other players' bad behavior. I just pointed out that certain United players behaved just as badly, if not worse, but due to understandable bias their wrongdoings are viewed in a totally different light by many here, and most don't even realize it.

I don't think many if any would condone what Giggs did, far from it, but I'm far less interested in it because it had nothing to do with football or the club.

Most of Terry's trangressions seem to involve the footballing side. Even when he is shagging around he chooses to do so with a team mates girlfriend/ex-girlfriend and getting her pregnant just to up the ante. He acts the arse about 9/11 with team mates at the airport, gets arrested for assault with a team mate, selling trips around Standford Bridge for bags of cash under the table and calling Ferdinand a black cnut.

Although some of the lesser ones like parking his Bentley in a handicap spot and pissing in a glass and leaving it for staff to clear up were just him being John Terry.

Lets face it, many pro footballers are or become cnuts but John Terry stands alone at the pinnacle of cnuttishness.
 
Giggs is an absolute shitbag for sleeping with his brother's wife, and while you cannot take away what he has done for this club, I've never been able to look at him the same way. I was always proud to say that Ryan Giggs never had a blemish to his name, either on or off the pitch. But aside from all that with his sister-in-law, he hasn't anything else to his name.

Sorry, but nobody and I mean nobody can compare to the utter, vile piece of shit that is John Terry. His list of indiscretions are endless. The affairs aside, it's also these:

Racial abuse (not just with Anton Ferdinand)
The mocking of Americans in the aftermath of 9/11
Urinating in a nightclub
Parking in a disabled bay
Assaulting a bouncer
Taking money to show somebody around Chelsea's training ground behind the club's back.

I'm going out on a limb here, but weren't there accusations of wife/girlfriend beating directed at Giggs when he was breaking through to the first team? Don't know if the rumours are true or not, but I remember they went around.

For what it's worth - what Giggs did to his wife and brother is probably the single most despicable act I've experienced a footballer doing. Great footballer, great legend, not a very good man.
 
I'm going out on a limb here, but weren't there accusations of wife/girlfriend beating directed at Giggs when he was breaking through to the first team? Don't know if the rumours are true or not, but I remember they went around.

For what it's worth - what Giggs did to his wife and brother is probably the single most despicable act I've experienced a footballer doing. Great footballer, great legend, not a very good man.

That does ring a bell. Definitely heard that rumour.
 
I don't think many if any would condone what Giggs did, far from it, but I'm far less interested in it because it had nothing to do with football or the club.

Most of Terry's trangressions seem to involve the footballing side. Even when he is shagging around he chooses to do so with a team mates girlfriend/ex-girlfriend and getting her pregnant just to up the ante. He acts the arse about 9/11 with team mates at the airport, gets arrested for assault with a team mate, selling trips around Standford Bridge for bags of cash under the table and calling Ferdinand a black cnut.

Although some of the lesser ones like parking his Bentley in a handicap spot and pissing in a glass and leaving it for staff to clear up were just him being John Terry.

Lets face it, many pro footballers are or become cnuts but John Terry stands alone at the pinnacle of cnuttishness.

This is my point exactly. He's done it all!!
 
Giggs' situation was disgusting, and I wouldn't be surprised if his brother never speaks to him again. Giggs will have to deal with the consequences of that, and he'll have to live with that regret.

But to stand and mock people over the deaths of their fellow countrymen is the lowest of the low, we're talking about people dying here.

Their fellow countrymen - not their relatives and friends. Despite all the pious hokum, sharing a vast continent with 300 million people is a slim connection with another human being.

It's to be expected that footballers will display all the faults and frailties of young males from their social group. There's no reason to either deify or demonize them. I've nothing against either Terry or Giggs. They're excellent footballers. That's all that counts.
 
For what it's worth - what Giggs did to his wife and brother is probably the single most despicable act I've experienced a footballer doing. Great footballer, great legend, not a very good man.

So you're either the spouse or the brother? Or directly related and effected by Gigg's actions? Fair enough then.

But it's ridiculous to compare these kinds of incidents to racially abusing players on the pitch, directly physically attacking a spectator, a player or match official. There are a whole host of other things that would probably be worse than this.

But, ok.