You would hope that the club is already hard at work on transfers for the summer and will sign them pretty quick and not wait for the last day of summer window. I doubt it though.
Summer transfer window
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In
William Carvalho - box to box/DM - 25-30m
Kroos/Gündogan - creative CM - 25 - 30m (both only got 1 year left and I really hope that we could land atleast one of them)
Fabio Coentrao - new LB - 15m (Shaw probably will go to Chelsea)
Alessio Cerci - out and out winger. 18m (don't think that Reus will leave this season and even IF, under our current circumstances I don't fancy us landing him. We couldn't land the big names as the best team in the EPL with SAF)
Garay - 12m (one year left, heavily linked, 20m€ buy out clause)
Büttner replacement
Out
Nani - 15-18m, depends on his WC how much we could ask for him.
Chicharito - 20m, after being offered by Moyes for Guarin in November I can see him leave this summer.
Vidic - free, doesn't seem very happy and his wife is allegedly unhappy for years now.
Ferdinand - free, MLS.
Evra - free, Monaco enjoying his retirement.
Kagawa - 15m, shame it didn't happen but with Mata, Rooney and Januzaj I think he'll leave this summer. Such a great player, I think if he'd gone to Arsenal we'd all be asking ourselves why we didn't go for him
Valencia/Young - 10m, I know it's only wishful thinking but I hope that atleast one of them leaves this summer, with Young being my first choice (wages, diving etc ...)
Büttner - whoever takes him, been a long time since I've seen a player not named Bebe being that bad for us.
Giggs - retirement
Anderson - 5m Fiorentina
That would be: 105m in and 65m out. Which would make the net spending about 40-50m, which would be ok given that we already splashed 37,5m on Mata. Not to mention how much better our wage bill would look like. Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra, Nani, Young have been on high wages and apart from our new CM I can't see any of them making more than 120k. All this 5x Mata talks is absolutely bullshit. Maybe 10 years ago we could've pulled of something like that, but with so much competition for the best signings we should be very happy if we can even get that major CM signing we wanted for years now.
With Rooney, RvP, Mata, Januzaj, Welbeck as our core Moyes has no excuses if we can't score regulary. That's 3 world class players, one world class talent, and *** guy. With a good, not needed to be world class addition like Cerci that should be good enough. We can't sell all our wingers, one hopefully not more than 2 of Nani/Young/Valencia will stay. With Zaha and hopefully Lingard in the mix that should really be good enough. The CM situation with those signings would be sorted for years. 2 new starters in rotation with Fellaini, Carrick, Cleverley and Fletcher sounds good. Maybe with a kick up his ass Cleverley will try to improve. Jones/Smalling/Evans/Garay isn't world class but a very balanced CB group. Rafael and Coentrao as our starters.
William Carvalho - box to box/DM - 25-30m
Kroos/Gündogan - creative CM - 25 - 30m (both only got 1 year left and I really hope that we could land atleast one of them)
Fabio Coentrao - new LB - 15m (Shaw probably will go to Chelsea)
Alessio Cerci - out and out winger. 18m (don't think that Reus will leave this season and even IF, under our current circumstances I don't fancy us landing him. We couldn't land the big names as the best team in the EPL with SAF)
Garay - 12m (one year left, heavily linked, 20m€ buy out clause)
Büttner replacement
Out
Nani - 15-18m, depends on his WC how much we could ask for him.
Chicharito - 20m, after being offered by Moyes for Guarin in November I can see him leave this summer.
Vidic - free, doesn't seem very happy and his wife is allegedly unhappy for years now.
Ferdinand - free, MLS.
Evra - free, Monaco enjoying his retirement.
Kagawa - 15m, shame it didn't happen but with Mata, Rooney and Januzaj I think he'll leave this summer. Such a great player, I think if he'd gone to Arsenal we'd all be asking ourselves why we didn't go for him
Valencia/Young - 10m, I know it's only wishful thinking but I hope that atleast one of them leaves this summer, with Young being my first choice (wages, diving etc ...)
Büttner - whoever takes him, been a long time since I've seen a player not named Bebe being that bad for us.
Giggs - retirement
Anderson - 5m Fiorentina
That would be: 105m in and 65m out. Which would make the net spending about 40-50m, which would be ok given that we already splashed 37,5m on Mata. Not to mention how much better our wage bill would look like. Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra, Nani, Young have been on high wages and apart from our new CM I can't see any of them making more than 120k. All this 5x Mata talks is absolutely bullshit. Maybe 10 years ago we could've pulled of something like that, but with so much competition for the best signings we should be very happy if we can even get that major CM signing we wanted for years now.
With Rooney, RvP, Mata, Januzaj, Welbeck as our core Moyes has no excuses if we can't score regulary. That's 3 world class players, one world class talent, and *** guy. With a good, not needed to be world class addition like Cerci that should be good enough. We can't sell all our wingers, one hopefully not more than 2 of Nani/Young/Valencia will stay. With Zaha and hopefully Lingard in the mix that should really be good enough. The CM situation with those signings would be sorted for years. 2 new starters in rotation with Fellaini, Carrick, Cleverley and Fletcher sounds good. Maybe with a kick up his ass Cleverley will try to improve. Jones/Smalling/Evans/Garay isn't world class but a very balanced CB group. Rafael and Coentrao as our starters.
Most of the top players we should be after are in the World Cup so I very much doubt they'll commit themselves until it's over as a good tournament will increase their value and earning power. I'll be pleasantly surprised if we make any significant signings before the beginning of August.
If United are smart they will already have these deals in place and done.
Moyes and (i think) Woodward said a couple of times through the winter that a lot of work being done now is for the Summer. Hopefully it's just a case of the season ending and announcing them, subject to medical etc.
If we could do that like a week after the season ends it will send out a huge statement of intent for next season.
Moyes and (i think) Woodward said a couple of times through the winter that a lot of work being done now is for the Summer. Hopefully it's just a case of the season ending and announcing them, subject to medical etc.
If we could do that like a week after the season ends it will send out a huge statement of intent for next season.
We'd be absolutely stupid to leave it that late. We should (if we can) get the majority of players we're after wrapped up by June/early July to give them time to settle in and us the time to accommodate them within the squad and team. If we left it late, we'd be in for another disaster of a summer IMO.
Bear in mind there is a world cup. Not saying there's any excuse this summer - there isn't... just saying that players will not want to be doing deals. Late July I assume talks will start but nothing will be wrapped up until august, big deals take time, Bale took 3 months
Like I said above, no excuses for this summer at all. Obviously if we finish 5th we will struggle to attract big players - it won't be impossible but it will be a struggle. But Moyes knows a lot about a whole lot of players, as someone mentioned the wage bill may well be getting absolutely slashed with Rio/Evra/Giggs/Vida possibly out clearing out about 350-400k. There are certainly players out there who play for clubs that won't be winning anything in the near future that we could look at, eg carvalho, gundogan etc. Could see Kroos wanting to leave Bayern in some circumstances, but to united without CL football is unlikely purely because he's not a mercenary, he wants to keep his place in german national team and wants to win trophies at this age.
We signed Hernandez before the World Cup, and for good reason too, reckon we would of had to pay more than the £7million if we waited until after it.
There is no way you are getting 50m+ for Nani, Hernandez and Kagawa. They'll sell for around 10-12m a pop.
Without top 4 finish which is going to happen we will really struggle to get big names
But muppet summer wet dream...
Carvalho, gundogan, dante, and a left back
But muppet summer wet dream...
Carvalho, gundogan, dante, and a left back
Like a poster above said, if we're smart we'd be working on them now in order for us to merely complete the formalities in the summer. We can't afford to leave it late and then face losing targets to someone else.
I hope that's not black you wanted to put in there...
Forgetting about them being away playing in the World Cup?
Vidal, Kroos, Reus, Shaw/Coentrao, Garay would be a good summer. And those players are gettable, but we have to stump up the big bucks mainly for the first 3.
I fear we're kidding ourselves if we think the world cup won't be used as the next window's excuse as to why it's been "difficult to conclude any business" as we head into the final 48 hours of the window
Exactly. Can't do transfers during the World Cup. Can't do transfers immediately after as players go on holiday. By the time they come back there won't be much time to conclude the transfers we require considering we need at least 3 quality players.
We need about 6 new players in the summer.
Winger, Defensive midfielder, Playmaker, Centreback, Leftback and Rightback.
Players who will/should go out:
Hernandez (€20M)
Kagawa (€20M)
Nani (€15M)
Cleverley (Loan out)
Vidic (Free)
Ferdinand (Retire)
Giggs (Retire)
I hope we can get Evra and Rooney to sign a new contract.
6 new players to come in:
Griezmann (€30M)
Carvalho (€25M)
Kroos (€35M)
Garay (€15M)
Coentrao (€20M)
Coleman (€15M)
All achievable targets. Kroos most difficult to get, but if he doesn't sign a new contract at Bayern and we pay a good amount off money (like we did with Mata) I don't see why we couldn't get him.
Alternative targets:
Winger: Reus (will be difficult to get), Di Maria (will be difficult to get), Lucas, Gaitan, Shaqiri
Defensive midfielder: Fernando, Matuidi, Tioté
Playmaker: Rakitic, Koke (will be difficult to get), Barkley, Vidal (will be near impossible to get), Gundogan (not sure about him because of his back injury, don't want Hargreaves 2.0)
Centreback: Mangala (will be difficult to get), Hummels (will be difficult to get), Otamendi, Mussachio, Subotic
Leftback: Moreno, Shaw (will be difficult to get), Criscito
Rightback: No idea really, I feel we need a rightback because I don't want to use Smalling or Valencia there and we need more than just Rafael on that position
Projected team squad for 2014-2015
Keeper: DDG, Lindegaard, Johnstone
Defenders: Smalling, Jones, Evans, Garay, Coentrao, Büttner, Evra, Rafael, Coleman
Midfielders: Kroos, Carvalho, Fellaini, Carrick, Fletcher, Mata, Valencia, Young, Januzaj, Griezmann
Strikers: Rooney, RVP, Welbeck
Loanees: Zaha, Powell, Cleverley, Amos, Henriquez, Varela, Lingard, Keane, Tunniclyfe
---------------DDG----------------
Rafael---Jones------Garay-----Coentrao
---------Carvalho-----------------
-------------------Kroos---------
Griezmann-----Mata--------Januzaj
------------RVP/Rooney-----------
(Rooney can also play the position of Mata or Kroos)
Winger, Defensive midfielder, Playmaker, Centreback, Leftback and Rightback.
Players who will/should go out:
Hernandez (€20M)
Kagawa (€20M)
Nani (€15M)
Cleverley (Loan out)
Vidic (Free)
Ferdinand (Retire)
Giggs (Retire)
I hope we can get Evra and Rooney to sign a new contract.
6 new players to come in:
Griezmann (€30M)
Carvalho (€25M)
Kroos (€35M)
Garay (€15M)
Coentrao (€20M)
Coleman (€15M)
All achievable targets. Kroos most difficult to get, but if he doesn't sign a new contract at Bayern and we pay a good amount off money (like we did with Mata) I don't see why we couldn't get him.
Alternative targets:
Winger: Reus (will be difficult to get), Di Maria (will be difficult to get), Lucas, Gaitan, Shaqiri
Defensive midfielder: Fernando, Matuidi, Tioté
Playmaker: Rakitic, Koke (will be difficult to get), Barkley, Vidal (will be near impossible to get), Gundogan (not sure about him because of his back injury, don't want Hargreaves 2.0)
Centreback: Mangala (will be difficult to get), Hummels (will be difficult to get), Otamendi, Mussachio, Subotic
Leftback: Moreno, Shaw (will be difficult to get), Criscito
Rightback: No idea really, I feel we need a rightback because I don't want to use Smalling or Valencia there and we need more than just Rafael on that position
Projected team squad for 2014-2015
Keeper: DDG, Lindegaard, Johnstone
Defenders: Smalling, Jones, Evans, Garay, Coentrao, Büttner, Evra, Rafael, Coleman
Midfielders: Kroos, Carvalho, Fellaini, Carrick, Fletcher, Mata, Valencia, Young, Januzaj, Griezmann
Strikers: Rooney, RVP, Welbeck
Loanees: Zaha, Powell, Cleverley, Amos, Henriquez, Varela, Lingard, Keane, Tunniclyfe
---------------DDG----------------
Rafael---Jones------Garay-----Coentrao
---------Carvalho-----------------
-------------------Kroos---------
Griezmann-----Mata--------Januzaj
------------RVP/Rooney-----------
(Rooney can also play the position of Mata or Kroos)
Mercenaries are going to have to be targets this summer. Money will be our main attraction, with no Champions League and question marks hanging over the manager and the direction the club is taking. Have a look out for PSG rejects.
I think Hernandez could fetch close to 20, but the rest, you're right, will fetch for 10m.
Some people are really getting their hopes up and it's only going to end badly. I doubt we'll see a window of Fellainiesque proportions, it should certainly be better than that. But we simply aren't going to see elite names like Kroos, Gundogan or Vidal join unfortunately. I'm sure the fact it's a 'World Cup year' will be the latest excuse when we are fast approaching Deadline Day with not much to show. The outgoings are more than likely going to be a lot worse than last Summer, so that will probably negate more positive incomings this Summer.
I would say we are likely to see a young prospect in midfield like Carvalho and a more established one, a left back, centre back and possibly a versatile fullback join, but none will be top names.
As far as outgoings go, I would say Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra, Anderson and Giggs are nailed onto leave. While, Buttner, Cleverley, Nani, Young, Kagawa and Hernandez could all feasibly leave.
Our squad will realistically look something like this:
GK: De Gea, Lindegaard, Johnstone
DF: Centre back, Smalling, Jones, Evans, Rafael, Varela, Left back, Versatile fullback
MF: Carrick, Central midfielder, Fellaini, Fletcher, Young central midfielder, Mata, Januzaj, Valencia, Zaha, Young
FW: van Persie, Rooney, Welbeck, Hernandez, Powell
I don't want to sound like a killjoy in this thread, but if we do miss out on top four then you can wave your muppet signings goodbye.
Best case scenario, is Moyes recieves his P45, players like Kagawa and Hernandez don't leave and our new manager is capable of attracting Europe's finest even without the allure of Champions League football.
I would say we are likely to see a young prospect in midfield like Carvalho and a more established one, a left back, centre back and possibly a versatile fullback join, but none will be top names.
As far as outgoings go, I would say Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra, Anderson and Giggs are nailed onto leave. While, Buttner, Cleverley, Nani, Young, Kagawa and Hernandez could all feasibly leave.
Our squad will realistically look something like this:
GK: De Gea, Lindegaard, Johnstone
DF: Centre back, Smalling, Jones, Evans, Rafael, Varela, Left back, Versatile fullback
MF: Carrick, Central midfielder, Fellaini, Fletcher, Young central midfielder, Mata, Januzaj, Valencia, Zaha, Young
FW: van Persie, Rooney, Welbeck, Hernandez, Powell
I don't want to sound like a killjoy in this thread, but if we do miss out on top four then you can wave your muppet signings goodbye.
Best case scenario, is Moyes recieves his P45, players like Kagawa and Hernandez don't leave and our new manager is capable of attracting Europe's finest even without the allure of Champions League football.
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Yeah, a big reason I think pre-deals will be popular ahead of the WC
Ridiculous, its not because kagawa isn't played by Moyes that he is suddenly worth no more than 10m.....
He was the best player at Dortmund when we bought him and he won the Bundesliga player of the year award. We got him for €23m because he only had one year left on his contract, at that time a fair value for him would have been €35m to €40m easily. Ofcourse we can't get that out of him anymore but there are still plenty of teams that will remeber the class of Kagawa, he is 23 years old and because of the situation at United an absolute super deal for a team that needs a quality nr 10 and doesn't have alot of money to spend for it. I could easily see him go for €20m to a team like Dortmund or some Serie A team.
Nani has been linked to the likes of Inter, Juventus etc and he can easily fetch €15m aswell. He may need some more gametime (like Kagawa) to really show his quality again to the world, I believe the worldcup could be and excellent opportunity for that.
In terms of value Kagawa is definetely worth €20m and Nani €15m, the teams that would get them for those prices would be doing excellent business.
Has pre-deals happened before in a World Cup summer? Can't think of any to be honest but my memory is quite fuzzy.
David Villa is the only one I know of, specifically
You will be severely disappointed if those are the prices you are expecting.
Being linked to a big club doesn't mean they're going to spend crazy money on a player.
Is that why both have done it for you so well? If it's excellent business surely you'd expect them to be doing a bit more than either have done the past two seasons? Kagawa had that brilliant season at Dortmund which people are forever harping on about but since joining you he has done very little.
Hernandez, think he was confirmed around March.
Underperforming players on big wages aren't going for big fees.
No way is Powell going to be a part of the squad next year, he hasn't even had the chance to play on PL level, also he plays in a position in which Mata, Januzaj and Rooney all can play so no way would Moyes take him up, not a chance in hell.
Why would he take up Zaha if he didn't think he was good enough this season. Alright maybay Zaha will prove him wrong in those 6 months at Cardiff, but I think its more likely that Moyes will see to extend this loan or try and get him a loan to a bigger team than Cardiff for a season before taking him up in the first team squad.
Varela, same issue, hasn't played a single game in the PL, why would Moyes suddenly take him up ? Its possible ofcourse, wouldn't be against it either (if the lad is ready) but I doubt Moyes will be putting his faith in the hands of unproven players like Varela.
I also hope Moyes will be fired before the summer, but I'am pretty sure he won't. I'am also pretty sure that he probably won't finish in the top 4 and even if he does he will still have to do alot better next year. He has said it himself, Woodward has said it himself (even Mata in his presser said it), the club wants to seriously rebuild in the summer. He didn't do it last summer because he wanted to give all players the opportunity to prove themselves, alot of those players failed him and won't get a second chance in the summer. He'll definitely be looking to bring in atleast 5 to 6 new players and he knows they need to be ready for the first team and he knows he'll need an upgrade on what he had this year if he wants to improve next year.
Those 5 or 6 players won't be all Vidal, Kroos, Gundogan, Reus, that is impossible, but he'll try to bring in as many topclass players as he can I'am sure and Vidal for example will be very difficult, but Kroos is a diffirent issue. Kroos is hardly playing at Bayern and he wants to be among the top earners. Bayern don't want to pay high salaries to squad players, so there is a good chance he might leave. Does that mean he'll come to us, not necessarily, but its not impossible either. Its like with Mata, everybody thought we were chanceless, but if the moment is right and you pay top dollar you can get these kind of players. Personally I think Kroos is the most likely top signing we can make and I also have a feeling the club is already working on it, so its definitely not impossible. Last summer Moyes tried to get top players, but he wasn't desperate for them, he didn't want to overpay for the likes of Thiago and he clearly was unsure over his targets. This summer is different, this time he knows he really needs them and he probably already has a numbre of them linged up and he'll be willing to spend alot more money (in the summer we didn't want to pay £42.5m for Ozil because we already had Rooney and Kagawa, but in the Winter he seizes the opportunity to get Mata for £37.5m, why, because he has seen Kagawa isn't a player for him). Will be the same scenario with alot of other targets.
And there are plenty of good players who definitely are available for a club like United, even if we don't get top 4. Carvalho, Griezmann, Gaitan, Garay they don't play at top clubs and this United would be still be a step up for them, you can definitely get those players if you are willing to increase their salary. Same goes for good players at top clubs who aren't playing and/or are in contract negotation problems, if you apply the right leverage you can get these players, its how we got Mata, for the summer have your eyes open for: Lucas, Kroos who are in the same sitation.
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I accidentally included Hernandez's name in the predicted squad, but this is of the assumption he leaves and Powell replaces him as a potential forward in the squad who will still play a minor role in cup games and such. Powell has looked comfortably above the level of Championship football. The only way he will be able to prove himself capable of playing in the Premier League is by being given a chance. Maybe he won't stay at the club, but at the same time, it isn't ideal for his development if he isn't progressing at a higher level. Worst case scenario is he will join a Premier League side on loan.
Why would he retain Zaha? Pretty obvious really, it is very likely that at least one of Nani, Young and Valencia will not be here beyond the Summer and seeing as wide players aren't a essential need - unless we persist with this outdated wingplay - Moyes may not feel the need to sign a high calibre winger in the Summer, it will be extremely unlikely either way. Zaha is already starting to send out a statement with an excellent debut for Cardiff - probably a better performance than any of Valencia, Nani and Young have conjured up this season. If Zaha maintains that level of performance, he could be very difficult to ignore. It was ridiculous loaning him out in the first place.
Varela was admittedly a stab in the dark, but the fullback scenario I have predicted is far more likely than us retaining Evra as a backup option for Coentrao, while still having Buttner at the club and also having two players worthy of first team football in Rafael and Coleman fighting it out for a first team position at the club.
I admire your optimism, but I really expect another disappointing Summer transfer window. I alluded to it in my initial post, but it's very unlikely this window will be as unsuccessful as Fellaini being our sole signing, but I really don't expect United fans will be too happy come September.
I'm not suggesting we will sign six elite players, but it will be very difficult to sign two or possible even one. Mata was an exceptional circumstance, but I don't expect many deals like that will come to fruition. We will possibly sign four or five players and I expect a centre back, central midfielder and left back will be established/very good players.
I don't know where you are getting Kroos isn't a regular fixture in the Bayern side from. I'm sure Balu will be able to offer more insight, but he's been a vital figure in their team and epitomises Guardiola's style and what he expects from the team. His contract situation is merely a ruse to receive a bigger pay contract and United's name is being used to speed up a deal. The only positive I can see is the fact Guardiola is very much zero-tolerance, so he might be ruthless with Kroos is he can see his true intentions. Still a very unlikely and difficult signing.
Believe me, I want major signings just as much as you and they are needed more than ever. But I've naively got my hopes up the past two/three seasons and we've missed out on a shitload of quality players be it due to agent fees, taking a hard stance with transfer fees or simply neglecting our deficiencies.
It's completely different now with a new CEO and new manager and the clubs new approach to signings has generally been more open and honest - probably stupidly so - but even in spite of signing Juan Mata, I'm not expecting these deals to become the norm.
I actually agree...juventus were only willing to pay 8m for him...yes he had only year left but I dont see them going above 12m
Kagawa's value has dropped quite a bit since he signed for 17m. Again 12m is probably the max we can expect.
Hernandez is one who could fetch 15-16m
Evra and vidic will proobably leave on a free along with ferdinand.
Nani's new contract adds a bit of market value on him. He's still a talented and seasoned professional and might excel in Italian football due to the time he will get on the ball, but the absolute maximum we would likely receive for him would be about £15M, but £12M is closer to the mark.
Kagawa again, is a player who's quality is clear for all to see. I don't think it's his own ability or adaptability to the league that should mainly come into question. Our style of play doesn't allow him to be as positive or effective. If he was at an Arsenal or Manchester City his true quality would shine. £12M - £15M would be a fee we could expect for him, but assuming he left for the right club I could see his market value comfortably exceeding £20M.
Hernandez is a potent striker with a proven record, hasn't had the most impressive season, but forwards are coming at a premium more than ever. Still think he could fetch for £20M.
If sold, Nani will probably fetch somewhere between £7m-10m. Kagawa likewise. Chich might go to £15m but I wouldn't be surprised to see it at around £12m-13m. It's hard to expect any more for a group of players in the reserves and coming off bad seasons. Personally I'm of the view they're worth far more to us to keep them rather than taking the money, with the exception of possibly Kagawa, who has it all to prove.
I reckon it's going to be a really exciting summer. We'll spend big.
Daily Star has linked us with Tiote in the summer, I hope it hasn't got that bad
I also think Hernandez will be gone, but I don't think he needs to be replaced. He hardly features, we have 3 strikers with Rooney, RVP and Welbeck and with Mata as a secure option to play behind the striker we have 4 good players for 2 positions, so I really don't see why Powell would be necessary in the team. He is very talented and he deserves a chance on the higher level. However a Manchester United team that needs to claw its way up big time will hardly be ideal to give him the necessary playing time. I don't see why a loan to a PL would be worst case scenario, I think its ideal for a Powell next season that he would get a loan to a team like Cardiff or Sunderland where he could get first team football in the PL.
Same goes for Zaha, I don't think will Moyes will put his faith in the hands of unproven players. Sure Zaha is a talented and he deserved to be played alot more than he did. But in the end Moyes didn't fancy him because he was too raw, well he'll be too raw for Moyes after 6 months Cardiff aswell. he'll be looking to bring players like Zaha and Powell when the team has stablised, what he needs right now are more experienced players. I agree Young and Valencia aren't good enough as first choice players, but they are decent enough to be good back up players, so i really don't think Moyes will sell them. I think Moyes will try to get in a good new (preferably worldclasss) winger and to use Januzaj, Valencia and Young as rotational back up for the wings. So the only ones that I expect to be sold are Nani and Kagawa, and he'll try to bring a new player for that position. It won't be Zaha I reckon, he is too raw, he wants a steady first teamer who will give us a lift in terms of quality, somebody like Lucas, Griezmann, Gaitan or ofcourse Reus or Di Maria (but those are muppet players I agree).
I must have been wrong about kroos, I thought he didn't play alot seeing as bayern have Gotze, Thiago,Schweinsteiger and Martinez, ofcourse pep plays with alot of midfielders and Gotze might be utillised as a forward, in which case Kroos probably is featuring alot more than I was thinking. However I can't imagine Kroos being first choice fixture at bayern next year with lewandowski coming in as a striker. Lewa will surely be first choice striker, Ribery and Robben wings, Martinez and Schweinsteiger as midfield pair and Gotze as a numbre 10. I don't see where kroos fits in there as a first choice player. On top of that he'll be facing competition from Thiago aswell to get in the team. He'll feature but he'll be 2nd choice CM (after Schweinsteiger) and 2nd or 3th choice CAM after Gotze (and Thiago). So I imagine Kroos will be looking for assurances about his playing time now with the contract renewal, that is probably why he is asking to be paid the salary of a first team player (it sort of guarantees the club doesn't just see you as back up). Bayern seemingly don't want to pay that kind of money (perhaps because they are seeing him as 2nd or 3th choice). If that is indeed the case (and its the way I'am looking at it) then I don't think we are chanceless in getting Kroos, I also think other teams will be wanting him. Ofcourse if Bayern gives into his demands or he decides to accept his role as 2nd or 3th choice then it changes the situation completley, but until he hasn't signed a new contract, there is a possibility.
and RVPs fitness record is hardly amazing is it... which would put is to two strikers and that seems a bit thin
It could be henriquez and or keane could come back from loan and fill the 4th striker role but they are on loan to get games and develop as players so a short term fix may be worse in the long term.
Plus there is a lot of talk of Rooney possibly playing deeper in midfield which if it does happen would further impact striking options - possibly having games on Thursday nights wont help keeping strikers fresh as well so I would expect hernandez to be replaced if he goes (which I hope he does not but I wouldn't blame him if he did) - I dont expect some mega signing though - either an older player for a season or so whilst the players on loan develop or some over-hyped flavor of the month from the world cup (or an asian striker to sell shirts for the glazers).
Since when is black only 3 letters long? What I wrote wasn't offensive I guess it's only blocked on here becuase it annoyed the most on here. It's about Welbeck so it's hardly rocket science.
RVP was fit for an entire season last year and almost played every game, it has been problematic this year I agree, but I'd like to think that is temporary and not a thing that will keep dragging on and coming back.
For me having 3 strikers, 2 of which are worldclass in the team is more than enough. Hernandez and Welbeck on top of that is too much, they aren't getting games. When Hernandez would be sold he wouldn't be missed, the few minutes he would feature as a sub can easily be covered by Welbeck who will welcome the extra game time with open hands. 4 strikers is too much when you essentially only play with 1 upfront (and with the addition of Mata that will be case). It already was problematic to give them all enough games, but now its definite, Hernandez will never get enough games to become a regular player for us (definitely not under Moyes). We can do with one less striker, it was always going to be a choice between Welbeck and Hernandez and in the absence of Rooney and RVP it is clear Moyes chose for Danny. So no, if Hernandez goes, nobody needs to come in, definitely not some older player, there is just no need if you have 3 strikers. How many topclubs have more than 3 strikers ? 2 really good ones and perhaps a third for squad depth that is all you need, we have RVP, Rooney and Welbeck, we are more than fine in that department.
Rooney playing deeper on the midfield is not ideal, we all know he wants to feature as a striker or as nr.10. No point in keeping him here as one of our star players and paying him a ridiculous salary if we aren't going to use him on his best position(s). I agree he is very versatile and he'll play wherever we need him most, but I wouldn't keep him and add a 4th striker, just to put Rooney perm on the midfield. There is a far better solution to our creativity problems on the midfield, which is to buy a genuine creative midfielder, a playmaker who can play in a two man midfield. Rather we bought that than spend our money replacing Hernandez with a new striker that we really don't need.
We need about 4-5 good CM/CDM
Currently we only have Carrick, Fletcher and Fellaini that are really nailed on to stay next season and they aren't actually good enough to be regular first choice, on top of that we lack creativity, as none of these 3 is really a very good playmaker. So we need 1 or 2 more midfielders (I'd prefer 2, because I don't think Carrick will be around for much longer if he keeps producing the performances he has been, also think he is one of those senior players who don't get along with Moyes).
We need about 5-6 AM/ Wingers
We currently have Mata, Kagawa, Nani, Valencia, Young, Januzaj (and within time Powell and Zaha will come to the foreground aswell). Nani and Kagawa will probably be sold and Young and Valencia aren't good enough quality to be first choice, but they should be regarded as back up. Best thing to do for me is to get in one worldclass player for the wing (preferably somebody who can play both left and right, but we need somebody for the right wing more than for the left wing).
We need about 2-3 strikers
We have them, perfect mix aswell, RVP when fit is worldclass, if he is not fit Rooney can replace him on that position and we wouldn't even lose too much quality and Rooney can also play when RVP is fit on another position because he is very versatile and as a back up we have Welbeck, who doesn't need to play every game but is more than good enough to be a decent back up (and he is hardly every injurred aswell and who can easily play alot of games in a row).
Conclusion get rid off: Anderson, Cleverley, Nani, Kagawa and Hernandez and bring in 2 new midfielders and a winger. For example: Carvalho, Kroos, Lucas.