Strikers we could buy?

[VorZakone]

Cedric Bakambu anyone? Pacey with a good finish in him.

 

[JPRouve]

It's fun to watch people say that the french league is shit but name Aubameyang, Bakambu and Modeste as options.

 

[Irrational.]

Lukaku is definitely the one that stands out. Big, strong, powerful striker with pace. He is the dream Mourinho striker.

No way in hell we get him though.

Not sure there are that many alternatives. Sadio Mane would've been perfect. Though he's not a striker in the true sense of the word, he plays like a wide forward anyway. What a shame we didn't get him.

 

[fcbforever]

It's fun to watch people say that the french league is shit but name Aubameyang, Bakambu and Modeste as options.

Modeste like Anthony Modeste? Okay, that's stupid.
But still, the Bundesliga is way superior to the sad shadow of a relevant league the Ligue 1 has become. Not to say that Aubameyang has proven in the CL what he is capable of.

 

[Devil may care]

Fair enough. I just don't think Icardi is worth the hassle.

IMO this is all a bit too reactionary. We've bought the striker many wanted and hoped for and our options aren't good enough yet again? If come December or January Ibrahimovic continues to play poorly, sure, react, but we are hardly 3 months into the season. It's a different situation in midfield and central defence obviously. There's a need for action of course, but I think we should be more patient with the strikers we have.

We brought in a striker who likely only has a 1 season window, I think a lot of us were a bit naive, myself included, to think he'd just roll through the PL and hold the fort long enough to pass the torch to Rashford in 3 seasons, the league is too intense and comptetive for that. My worry isn't that he's missing sitters, it's that in the short 2 month span he already looks like he's slowing down in terms of movement and he's struggling with the pressure on the ball which is why he's losing it almost as much as Rooney in recent games. I'm not saying in January as that will be near impossible, but I think it would be suicide to not be laying groundwork to get a striker in the summer as we can't start next season relying on a 36 year old IMO.

We surely need a striker, but look at Arsenal. They have average striker but they have world class midfielders supplying their strikers.

So I'd rather get an other winger and a playmaker like Verrati, Modric or Kroos (only the type of player)

Arsenal aren't a good example, ask most of their fans why they haven't won a league title in 10 years and they'll tell you it's because they've not had a world class striker since Henry left, a great set of attacking midfielders and an avereage striker is not a recipe for winning the biggest prizes.

 

[JPRouve]

Arsenal aren't a good example, ask most of their fans why they haven't won a league title in 10 years and they'll tell you it's because they've not had a world class striker since Henry left, a great set of attacking midfielders and an avereage striker is not a recipe for winning the biggest prizes.

The problem is that we have promising young strikers who have shown that they can score goals but we don't have proper creators, we lack proper wide attacking players. So logically we should bring the creators and trust the young'uns first, then if they fail to perform with the support of creative players we can look at the transfermarket.

 

[Sparky10Legend]

Lukaku is definitely the one that stands out. Big, strong, powerful striker with pace. He is the dream Mourinho striker.

No way in hell we get him though.

Not sure there are that many alternatives. Sadio Mane would've been perfect. Though he's not a striker in the true sense of the word, he plays like a wide forward anyway. What a shame we didn't get him.

We got Miki, a better player, well when he's y'know.....allowed on the pitch.

Scary how quickly im beginning to dislike Jose.

 

[Devil may care]

The problem is that we have promising young strikers who have shown that they can score goals but we don't have proper creators, we lack proper wide attacking players. So logically we should bring the creators and trust the young'uns first, then if they fail to perform with the support of creative players we can look at the transfermarket.

They are both too unproven to be trusted IMO, no top team in the world has a kid leading the line and Rashford is still that, I don't think Martial is really in the conversation because no manager seems like they feel from working with him, that he's suited to being a #9. The market is narrow with options, if we dwindle away next season on a kid then we might have no options left, to me Rashford should be being used the same way Ineacho is used, for the next 3 seasons.

 

[Devil may care]

We got Miki, a better player, well when he's y'know.....allowed on the pitch.

Scary how quickly im beginning to dislike Jose.

How is Jose to blame for Mkhi being injured and then from reports not working hard enough to get back? As for Mane, I don't get the obssession, he's nothing special and very erratic, his good games just papaer over the amount of times he's ineffective because he's 90% pace based.

 

[Sparky10Legend]

How is Jose to blame for Mkhi being injured and then from reports not working hard enough to get back? As for Mane, I don't get the obssession, he's nothing special and very erratic, his good games just papaer over the amount of times he's ineffective because he's 90% pace based.

Jose has form with this:-

Salah
Cuadrado
De Bruyne
Lukaku
Luis


etc etc etc

 

[JPRouve]

They are both too unproven to be trusted IMO, no top team in the world has a kid leading the line and Rashford is still that, I don't think Martial is really in the conversation because no manager seems like they feel from working with him, that he's suited to being a #9. The market is narrow with options, if we dwindle away next season on a kid then we might have no options left, to me Rashford should be being used the same way Ineacho is used, for the next 3 seasons.

They will never be proven if you don't trust them, they are both able to score around 15 goals in the league. And most importantly the supposed top striker that you want to sign won't have any chances to score since the services are pretty shite in that team. So build a roster able to create plenty of chances trust your talented strikers and if they fail, bring someone else.

 

[Devil may care]

Jose has form with this:-

Salah
Cuadrado
De Bruyne
Lukaku
Luis


etc etc etc

De Bruyne and Lukaku were players at the club that didn't want to wait around, I don't even think he bought them either. Salah and Caudrado I'll give you, Luis was bought as a back up and didn't want to be one so that didn't work out. We have a 2 month spell here where Mkhi has been injured and then apparently not applying himself to get back, it's too early to judge how this will pan out.

They will never be proven if you don't trust them, they are both able to score around 15 goals in the league. And most importantly the supposed top striker that you want to sign won't have any chances to score since the services are pretty shite in that team. So build a roster able to create plenty of chances trust your talented strikers and if they fail, bring someone else.

Rashford is 18 and still raw, it's not trust, it's just common sense that you don't have an inconsistent kid leading your line if the goal is to win titles, they need time to develop at a natural rate, I mean you don't want us to buy a 23 year old RB because you think it would harm his development, yet you are fine with putting the scoring hopes of the team on a teenager who hasn't even played a full season as a senior yet. As for creativity, we have Pogba, Martial, Mkhi and Mata in this squad, creativity isn't an issue, missing sitters is not on them and we've squandered numerous chances lately.

 

[Stacks]

Eventually United may learn that throwing around vast sums of money not the way to solve your problems, which go much deeper and wider ... starting with the manager and the way that the club has become more geared to business deals than to actually playing football.

So because we sign commercial deals, which generates money which we then invest in the squad, that means we aren't geared to playing football?

 

[Stacks]

They will never be proven if you don't trust them, they are both able to score around 15 goals in the league. And most importantly the supposed top striker that you want to sign won't have any chances to score since the services are pretty shite in that team. So build a roster able to create plenty of chances trust your talented strikers and if they fail, bring someone else.

Zlatan has missed more big chances than any of the top strikers so the services is fine. It is easy to blame services. Zlatan has missed his last 30 shots and has the worst conversion rate

 

[MyOnlySolskjaer]

Could do with some better service rather than a striker; Ibrahimovic, Martial & Rashford should be very good options as a #9 but our service to them is abysmal other than long balls/crosses from fullbacks.

It's a bit uncomfortable seeing Rashford on the wings, he's better at finishing chances than creating, you see him frequently overrunning the ball and trying too hard to create and it just ends up counter-productive.

Lingard, although he shows good off the ball movement, he's not the type of guy that often threads through a match winning pass/cross. Although I do highly rate his link up play.

Yet to see what Mkhitaryan can offer us. Mata if playing should be through the middle.

Young shouldn't be near our starting 11 if we're actually trying to win games.

Only player I'm comfortable with on the wings is Martial.

 

[JPRouve]

De Bruyne and Lukaku were players at the club that didn't want to wait around, I don't even think he bought them either. Salah and Caudrado I'll give you, Luis was bought as a back up and didn't want to be one so that didn't work out. We have a 2 month spell here where Mkhi has been injured and then apparently not applying himself to get back, it's too early to judge how this will pan out.



Rashford is 18 and still raw, it's not trust, it's just common sense that you don't have an inconsistent kid leading your line if the goal is to win titles, they need time to develop at a natural rate, I mean you don't want us to buy a 23 year old RB because you think it would harm his development, yet you are fine with putting the scoring hopes of the team on a teenager who hasn't even played a full season as a senior yet. As for creativity, we have Pogba, Martial, Mkhi and Mata in this squad, creativity isn't an issue, missing sitters is not on them and we've squandered numerous chances lately.

I don't want use to sign Sidibé because he isn't good enough defensively, I would like to see Fabinho sign for United and he is younger, it would be sad for Monaco though.

 

[JPRouve]

Zlatan has missed more big chances than any of the top strikers so the services is fine. It is easy to blame services. Zlatan has missed his last 30 shots and has the worst conversion rate

He missed the one chances he had.

 

[Devil may care]

I don't want use to sign Sidibé because he isn't good enough defensively, I would like to see Fabinho sign for United and he is younger, it would be sad for Monaco though.

In that thread though you also said that we'd harm the development of Sidibe and I believe Cancelo, to me the RB we get needs to be very fast and offer penetration behind the defensive line on the overlap as both our right sided attackers are inside forwards, to m,e Fabinho is not that kind of fullback.

 

[JPRouve]

In that thread though you also said that we'd harm the development of Sidibe and I believe Cancelo, to me the RB we get needs to be very fast and offer penetration behind the defensive line on the overlap as both our right sided attackers are inside forwards, to m,e Fabinho is not that kind of fullback.

Yes, we would harm his development and it has nothing to do with his age but with the transition that he is currently making. Currently Sidibé isn't better than Valencia, he is working on things and hopefully will be far better but if he was transferred today, he would be in the stands.

 

[M Bison]

I cant imagine many top quality strikers falling over themselves to sign for us at the moment, i know i wouldnt if i was in that position.

Every player we have bought post SAF we have paid over the odds for and ruined, Martial was the only exception but he's now also in that category.

 

[Devil may care]

Yes, we would harm his development and it has nothing to do with his age but with the transition that he is currently making. Currently Sidibé isn't better than Valencia, he is working on things and hopefully will be far better but if he was transferred today, he would be in the stands.

Rashford is also transitioning though, from a boy to a man and from a junior to a senior player, any harm that would be done to Sidibe would be just as likely done to Rashford if he had to shoulder the scoring resposibility for a club United's size right now, while he's still growing physically and developing as a player.

 

[JPRouve]

Rashford is also transitioning though, from a boy to a man and from a junior to a senior player, any harm that would be done to Sidibe would be just as likely done to Rashford if he had to shoulder the scoring resposibility for a club United's size right now, while he's still growing physically and developing as a player.

And that's why it's good to have Martial, Ibrahimovic and Rashford for one position. Bring a winger.

 

[Devil may care]

And that's why it's good to have Martial, Ibrahimovic and Rashford for one position. Bring a winger.

No one on the actual managerial side for club or country is looking at Martioal as a striker so I don't know why he's being touted as a genuine option, and Ibra is already looking like he's struggling physically, come next season it will be an even bigger problem and Rashford isn't near ready.

 

[GlastonSpur]

So because we sign commercial deals, which generates money which we then invest in the squad, that means we aren't geared to playing football?

When some players are signed partly because of their perceived commercial potential, then something's going wrong at the heart of what is supposed to be a football club.

Moreover, the more time and attention that a club devotes to commercial deal-making, the less time and attention it's devoting to a focus on football.

 

[JPRouve]

No one on the actual managerial side for club or country is looking at Martioal as a striker so I don't know why he's being touted as a genuine option, and Ibra is already looking like he's struggling physically, come next season it will be an even bigger problem and Rashford isn't near ready.

Monaco did and he was pretty good, it didn't lasted though since United bought him and didn't had any decent wide players

 

[devilish]

And that's why it's good to have Martial, Ibrahimovic and Rashford for one position. Bring a winger.

I agree. However is it wise to keep someone whose 35 and on that huge salary as a reserve?

 

[Devil may care]

Monaco did and he was pretty good, it didn't lasted though since United bought him and didn't had any decent wide players

I was talking about his 2 current managers and his previous one who favoured Rooney or Rashford as the #9 over him. He's not a consistent finisher but he is very good at running at defenses, that is why I think the managers think he needs to develop his game like Neymar or Reus, not as a striker.

 

[JPRouve]

I agree. However is it wise to keep someone whose 35 and on that huge salary as a reserve?

Personally, I wanted to give that role to Rooney. I know that he isn't very good but he was already on our books and as a reserve player he is good enough. I didn't wanted Ibrahimovic, I rate him but I had set my mind on Rashford, Rooney and Martial.

 

[JPRouve]

I was talking about his 2 current managers and his previous one who favoured Rooney or Rashford as the #9 over him. He's not a consistent finisher but he is very good at running at defenses, that is why I think the managers think he needs to develop his game like Neymar or Reus, not as a striker.

Deschamps played him upfront when he was playing upfront and he is now playing him wide because United played him wide. He isn't going to use him upfront when he spent the entire season wide not when other players are arguably better and actually playing upfront every weeks.
As for Mourinho, he is in love with Ibrahimovic and I suspect that he still sees Inter's Ibrahimovic.

 

[devilish]

Personally, I wanted to give that role to Rooney. I know that he isn't very good but he was already on our books and as a reserve player he is good enough. I didn't wanted Ibrahimovic, I rate him but I had set my mind on Rashford, Rooney and Martial.

In my opinion we should stop paying ridiculous amount of salary to players who are good enough to be part time players. I'd sa

a- We get rid of Rooney and Ibra
b- we bring some top quality on the flanks
c- we release Martial/Rashford as first teamers upfront
d- we bring some hardworking, experienced striker upfront to act as the experience cover (a bit like Teddy was back in his day).

For d I was thinking about Vardy. At age 30 and with Leicester outside the CL zone, Leicester would probably sell him at a reasonable price.

 

[Devil may care]

Deschamps played him upfront when he was playing upfront and he is now playing him wide because United played him wide. He isn't going to use him upfront when he spent the entire season wide not when other players are arguably better and actually playing upfront every weeks.
As for Mourinho, he is in love with Ibrahimovic and I suspect that he still sees Inter's Ibrahimovic.

Deschamps was playing Griezmann on the right despite all of his Atleti form being as a striker. I do worry that Jose is too enamoured with Ibra though, he doesn't even sub him, if he thinks he's the Inter version he'll end up as confused as LvG when he blathered about Schweini not being the same player he had at Bayern.

 

[JPRouve]

Deschamps was playing Griezmann on the right despite all of his Atleti form being as a striker. I do worry that Jose is too enamoured with Ibra though, he doesn't even sub him, if he thinks he's the Inter version he'll end up as confused as LvG when he blathered about Schweini not being the same player he had at Bayern.

He wanted to accommodate Pogba and since Griezmann played wide for Real Sociedad it wasn't completely stupid but it ended up being a very bad idea.

 

[JPRouve]

In my opinion we should stop paying ridiculous amount of salary to players who are good enough to be part time players. I'd sa

a- We get rid of Rooney and Ibra
b- we bring some top quality on the flanks
c- we release Martial/Rashford as first teamers upfront
d- we bring some hardworking, experienced striker upfront to act as the experience cover (a bit like Teddy was back in his day).

For d I was thinking about Vardy. At age 30 and with Leicester outside the CL zone, Leicester would probably sell him at a reasonable price.

I agree with that, a relatively cheap experienced striker will be ideal but we really need to stop with the too young to start logic, particularly when we have two young talented players to releave each others.

 

[Devil may care]

He wanted to accommodate Pogba and since Griezmann played wide for Real Sociedad it wasn't completely stupid but it ended up being a very bad idea.

My point was that if he thought Martial was a good choice as the #9 he could have tried it no matter where LvG had played him as he'd played that position before ala what he did with Griezmann, but he preferred Giroud who is a very average striker.

 

[JPRouve]

My point was that if he thought Martial was a good choice as the #9 he could have tried it no matter where LvG had played him as he'd played that position before ala what he did with Griezmann, but he preferred Giroud who is a very average striker.

He tried it but we needed a left winger more than a striker.

 

[Devil may care]

He tried it but we needed a left winger more than a striker.

Not in the Euros you didn't, he started Payet there for almost the entire tournemant.

 

[devilish]

I agree with that, a relatively cheap experienced striker will be ideal but we really need to stop with the too young to start logic, particularly when we have two young talented players to releave each others.

That's why I mentioned Vardy rather then someone like lewandowski or Kane who would cost us a bomb and whom we would find hard to be able to put him on the bench. Vardy would bring something different on the plate then Martial/Rashford but like Martial/Rashford he would have to compete for a first team place.

I was never a big fan of the big name upfront. Sure, Cantona and RVN were top players. However ultimately they made us a bit predictable, something that wasn't a problem during the treble/3 CL run. I still remember Lippi saying that United can easily be stopped. You only have to mark Cantona and that young Welshman on the flanks. He ended up changing his tune a few years later when Scholes, Giggs, the calypso boys and Beckham kept knocking Juventus out.

 

[JPRouve]

Not in the Euros you didn't, he started Payet there for almost the entire tournemant.

Because he was injured at the start of the euro, not very good in training and Giroud-Griezmann were doing alright.

PS: And I really don't like Giroud.

 

[ivaldo]

When some players are signed partly because of their perceived commercial potential, then something's going wrong at the heart of what is supposed to be a football club.

Moreover, the more time and attention that a club devotes to commercial deal-making, the less time and attention it's devoting to a focus on football.

Park was signed partly because of his commercial potential, just look at that horrific era of our club...

We haven't signed any player under Jose that hasn't been up to the standard Jose deemed required, it's as simple as that.

How do you work that out? Have we lessened our investment in the footballing aspects in recent years?

 

[Hawks2008]

I really hope we go for Lukaku. At 23 years old he could lead the line for a long time.