Straylan and Kiwi politics

Wibble said:
Yes. he also went on holiday this year as well and left his idiot deputy to tell us that all lives matter.
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It worked for him tbf. Just let the states deal with all issues, if they succeed take credits, if they don’t blame them. Meanwhile NewsCorp will make sure the rubes blame Labour for #socialism and give him a blank cheque.
 
InfiniteBoredom said:
It worked for him tbf. Just let the states deal with all issues, if they succeed take credits, if they don’t blame them. Meanwhile NewsCorp will make sure the rubes blame Labour for #socialism and give him a blank cheque.
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I though I hated Abbott as Pm but I'm beginning to think #scottyfromarketing is worse. And that is before I start think about the wisdom of having someone is charge who is part of a Christian apocalyptic cult that genuinely believes in speaking in tongues and not only thinks that the end of days with the 4 horsemen of the apocalypse riding dramatically out of the clouds will happen but also thinks it is a desirable thing.

Imagine if it wasn't a Christian cult?
 
Christian Porter who is the Attorney General. Denies it and says nothing ever happened, not even a consensual sexual relationship. Taking a leave of abscence but not stepping down. And so far no independent inquiry. #Scottyfrommarketing is pushing the "Its a police matter" line knowing full well the police don't have a statement from the dead woman so can't possibly prosecute or even justify further investigation. They are aslo pushing "he isn't going to resign" which exactly nobody has called for. What most want is him to stand down while an independent investigation is conducted. This is the only way he has any chance of getting out from under this cloud and nobody seems to want to throw him under the bus. At the same time the Libs are taking a big hit with female voters in particular.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-03/christian-porter-denies-historical-rape-allegation/13206972
 
The bus is now being revved and I think the Defense Minister is abut to be thrown under it after she told her staff Brittany Higgins was a lying cow despite publicly saying she supported her.

https://www.theguardian.com/austral...ports-she-called-brittany-higgins-a-lying-cow

And the pressure is mounting for an independent inquiry into the historic rape allegations against Christian Porter. The guy is a world class dick and know for being a sexist/misogynist so he won't want an independent inquiry for that reason alone but unless there is one and he is cleared he will be a rapist in most people's eyes and his career is over anyway.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11...hristian-porter-sexism-inappropriate/12862910
 
The various rape and sexual assault issues are still swirling with the government trying to avoid and inquiry in the Porter rape allegation case on the grounds that it is a matter for the police knowing full well a dead complainant who hadn't made a formal statement to the police at the time of her death makes a prosecution impossible. However, as a senior minister and the Attorney General it must be in everyone's best interests for there to be an independent inquiry because we need to know if he is fit to hold the role and it is also the only way he will be able to clear his name. without an inquiry this will hang over him forever.
 
#scottyfrommarketing will take off if he spins any harder.

He claims neither to have read the accusations against the highest law officer in the country nor sought legal advice from the the government’s most senior independent lawyer before dismissing the possibility of an inquiry because to do so would be "eroding the very principles of the rule of law in this country.". A statement that every independent legal expert has said is incorrect.

https://www.theguardian.com/austral...ce-before-ruling-out-christian-porter-inquiry
 
Got to love all these people that make decisions that help their party despite claiming they have never read the accusation/document...
 
The Last Newspoll: 2PP ALP 66% LIB 34%

Newspoll WA State Primary Votes: ALP 57 (-2) LIB 23 (0) GRN 9 (+1) ON 2 (-1) NAT 3 (+1) #wavotes #auspol

Newspoll WA McGowan ALP: Approve 88 (0) Disapprove 10 (0) #wavotes #auspol

Newspoll WA Kirkup LIB: Approve 32 (+3) Disapprove 49 (+8) #wavotes #auspol

Newspoll WA Preferred Premier: McGowan ALP 79 (-4) Kirkup LIB 13 (+3) #wavotes #auspol
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@Wibble :drool: :drool:
 
Dargonk said:
Got to love all these people that make decisions that help their party despite claiming they have never read the accusation/document...
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It is pathetic at the best of times but playing this sort of seedy politics with sexual assault and rape is disgusting.
 
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Wibble said:
So if that hold how bad for the Libs? Close to wipeout I'd guess?

Another good reason to move there.
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Libs could end up with 4 seats in the 59 seat assembly making the nationals the official opposition party.
 
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Out of curiosity, where are those parties on the political spectrum? Libs centre-right, labor centre-left, nats ... ?
 
Cheimoon said:
Out of curiosity, where are those parties on the political spectrum? Libs centre-right, labor centre-left, nats ... ?
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Liberals = Right (Current leader was centre right but the candidates were religious right in numerous seats, big issue in the campaign how nutty the candidate were)
Nationals = Right (Conservative rural party)
Labor = Marginal Centre left
Greens = Centre-left
 
WPMUFC said:
Liberals = Right (Current leader was centre right but the candidates were religious right in numerous seats, big issue in the campaign how nutty the candidate were)
Nationals = Right (Conservative rural party)
Labor = Marginal Centre left
Greens = Centre-left
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Ah ok, thanks. You have some kind of proportional system in Australia, right? Is that also on the state level? Basically, I'm wondering if this seat division really reflects the state. Also, are the Greens winning seats anywhere in the country?

Sorry for all the questions.
 
Cheimoon said:
Ah ok, thanks. You have some kind of proportional system in Australia, right? Is that also on the state level? Basically, I'm wondering if this seat division really reflects the state. Also, are the Greens winning seats anywhere in the country?

Sorry for all the questions.
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So the Legislative Assembly is essentially preferential "Indicative Two Candidate Preferred" system. However as noted below, the Legislative Council vote is actually weighted to rural communities via a quota. Thus the Labor victory last night in the Assembly is not entirely recreated in the Council. If Labor wins a slight majority in the Council, they are going to reform the LC voting system.

In regards to the Greens, i do not know their tallies state-by-state off the top of my head, however their main power comes in the Federal Senate. They are a very minor party across the country even though they get "ok" primary votes. They are spread too thin to consolidate enough seats in the House of Reps.

Our election guru on how bad the WA Legislative Council voting system is:



Voting system for the Legislative Assembly

Candidates are elected to the Legislative Assembly through full preferential voting. This is a system whereby a candidate must poll an absolute majority of the total formal votes (in excess of 50% in order to be elected.)


This system is characterised by the elector numbering all squares on the ballot paper in order of preference. The ballot paper markings should clearly reflect the elector’s intention.

Voting system for the Legislative Council

Proportional representation is the voting system used in multi-member electorates such as the Western Australian Legislative Council.


To be successful, a candidate is required to receive enough votes to reach a quota (not an absolute majority) which is based on the number of formal votes and number of candidates to be elected.


Electors mark their ballot, allocating preferences to their preferred ranking for all candidates. A successful candidate must achieve a quota, calculated using the following formula:





Subsequently, if the quota is not reached the candidate with the least number of votes is excluded and their votes redistributed according to the second preference shown. This process continues until a candidate reaches a quota.


Candidates, who receive a number of votes equal to or greater than the quota are elected immediately. Any votes of these elected candidates, which are surplus to the quota, are transferred to the remaining candidates at a reduced value known as a transfer value.
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https://www.elections.wa.gov.au/vote/voting-systems-wa
 
WPMUFC said:
So the Legislative Assembly is essentially preferential "Indicative Two Candidate Preferred" system. However as noted below, the Legislative Council vote is actually weighted to rural communities via a quota. Thus the Labor victory last night in the Assembly is not entirely recreated in the Council. If Labor wins a slight majority in the Council, they are going to reform the LC voting system.

In regards to the Greens, i do not know their tallies state-by-state off the top of my head, however their main power comes in the Federal Senate. They are a very minor party across the country even though they get "ok" primary votes. They are spread too thin to consolidate enough seats in the House of Reps.

Our election guru on how bad the WA Legislative Council voting system is:





https://www.elections.wa.gov.au/vote/voting-systems-wa
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Thanks for indulging me! That helps.

I am not sure I understand the ticketed system entirely, but anyway. I do think preferential ballot voting is horrible. I mean, it's definitely a big level above our single-vote winner-takes-all system here in Canada, which scores somewhere near the very bottom of the democratic continuum; but preferential ballot isn't proportional, still often doesn't let your vote go to your preferred party, and still let's your vote get lost if any of your top candidates don't win. Good to see they're looking into changing this.
 
Wibble said:
High risk strategy by Christian Porter, no doubt at the urging of #scottyfrommarketing who is desperate to avoid an independent investigation. They are gambling that they could win a defamation action more easily than be exonerated by an independent inquiry.

https://www.theguardian.com/austral...0860686c6f9f9e#block-604e9f418f0860686c6f9f9e
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That will make it go away... :lol:

Out of interest why is he targeting only the ABC. I'm assuming they raised the allegations originally, but didn't he name himself? They just said a member of cabinet or something.
 
Dargonk said:
That will make it go away... :lol:

Out of interest why is he targeting only the ABC. I'm assuming they raised the allegations originally, but didn't he name himself? They just said a member of cabinet or something.
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The ABC probably did the best reporting on it. the Libs hate them and you can get done for defamation even if you don't name someone apparently. I think the idea is so that you can't avoid being sued simply by avoiding using a name e.g. My 9 year old son goes to St Snitches and his teacher is a kiddy fiddler - so close to naming the person they might as well have. They are using the argument that naming him as a senior member of cabinet effectively identified who he was but I've no idea if that will hold water in this case but defamation law does tend to favour the rich and famous. It might be a stretch as I had no clue and guessed wrong and I was following it pretty closely. They then have to prove defamation. If the ABC were just reporting the accusation then I imagine they only have to prove that the accusation was made. But the again WTF do I know as I'm not a lawyer?
 
Wibble said:
The ABC probably did the best reporting on it. the Libs hate them and you can get done for defamation even if you don't name someone apparently. I think the idea is so that you can't avoid being sued simply by avoiding using a name e.g. My 9 year old son goes to St Snitches and his teacher is a kiddy fiddler - so close to naming the person they might as well have. They are using the argument that naming him as a senior member of cabinet effectively identified who he was but I've no idea if that will hold water in this case but defamation law does tend to favour the rich and famous. It might be a stretch as I had no clue and guessed wrong and I was following it pretty closely. They then have to prove defamation. If the ABC were just reporting the accusation then I imagine they only have to prove that the accusation was made. But the again WTF do I know as I'm not a lawyer?
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I am and to prove defamation is a long bow especially if the person was not identified. There really needs to be clear link between the article and Porter.

This is merely a smoke screen.
 
mariachi-19 said:
I am and to prove defamation is a long bow especially if the person was not identified. There really needs to be clear link between the article and Porter.

This is merely a smoke screen.
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I read everything and Porter wasn't on my radar until he outed himself. Adelaide and Sydney were the only places mentioned so a minister from WA wasn't an obvious leap.

And I tend to agree about the smoke screen bit. Stretch it out, avoid an independent inquiry and hope everyone forgets about it when the next drama arrives.

Also is it defamatory to report that an accusation was made if indeed that exact accusation was made?
 
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The whole deporting criminals back to NZ thing is in many ways complicated and keeping national pride out of the influencing of opinions is something to consider but the longer this goes on and the deeper I look at it the more disgusted I become with the Australian Govt. This is a festering sore thats slowly going to get worse and its slowly going to degrade trans Tasman relations.
 
Stack said:
The whole deporting criminals back to NZ thing is in many ways complicated and keeping national pride out of the influencing of opinions is something to consider but the longer this goes on and the deeper I look at it the more disgusted I become with the Australian Govt. This is a festering sore thats slowly going to get worse and its slowly going to degrade trans Tasman relations.
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Especially with Peter Dutton describing it as taking out the trash.

Fair enough when it is some recent migrant on a crime spree but when they are deporting minors and people who have been here since they were little kids it doesn't seem ethical. Jointly agreed standards would seem to be the sensible thing to do but I give #scottyfrommarketing selling to the lowest common denominator and Peter Dutton who loves deporting people less white than him.
 
Wibble said:
Especially with Peter Dutton describing it as taking out the trash.

Fair enough when it is some recent migrant on a crime spree but when they are deporting minors and people who have been here since they were little kids it doesn't seem ethical. Jointly agreed standards would seem to be the sensible thing to do but I give #scottyfrommarketing selling to the lowest common denominator and Peter Dutton who loves deporting people less white than him.
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I am under the impression this is more a Political thing rather than an attitude from the Australian public. There is no problem deporting relatively recent immigrants to Aussie back to NZ but some of those who arrived as babies or children and then getting sent back here for non violent or major crimes is awful. I suspect its probably something thats not a big issue for Australians and is probably flying largely under the radar.
 
Stack said:
I am under the impression this is more a Political thing rather than an attitude from the Australian public. There is no problem deporting relatively recent immigrants to Aussie back to NZ but some of those who arrived as babies or children and then getting sent back here for non violent or major crimes is awful. I suspect its probably something thats not a big issue for Australians and is probably flying largely under the radar.
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It is but the Libs/Nats love appealing to a part of their base who dislike foreign/non-white people.
 
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