Storeytime 2015/16

Points collected in 15/16 versus the same fixtures in 14/15:

Leicester +8
Man City +6
West Ham +4
Palace +4
Tottenham +3
West Brom +3
Bournemouth* +2
Everton + 1
Watford** + 1
Southampton + 1
Arsenal 0
Liverpool 0
Norwich*** -2
Newcastle -2
Man Utd -2
Stoke -4
Sunderland -4
Swansea -5
Chelsea -9
Aston Villa -10


*Bournemouth = Hull
**Watford = Burnley
***Norwich = QPR


The league table - last home/away results against every opposition:

1. Man City 85
2. Chelsea 78
3. Arsenal 75
4. Man Utd 68
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5.Tottenham 67
6. Liverpool 62
7. Southampton 61
8. Crystal Palace 52
9. Swansea 51
10. West Ham 51
11. Stoke 50
12. Leicester 49
13. Everton 48
14. West Brom 47
15. Newcastle 37
16. Bournemouth 37
17. Watford 34
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18. Sunderland 34
19. Norwich 28
20. Aston Villa 28
 
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Might be a couple of mistakes

Matchday 10

4: Manchester City
3:
2:
1:
0: West Ham United
-1: Arsenal FC, Manchester United
-2:
-3: Liverpool FC
-4:
-5: Everton, Leicester City
-6: Tottenham Hotspur
-7: Watford FC
-8:
-9: Southampton FC
-10: Chelsea FC, Crystal Palace, Stoke City
-11:
-12: Swansea City, West Bromwich Albion
-13: AFC Bournemouth
-14: Newcastle United
-15: Norwich City
-16:
-17:
-18:
-19: Aston Villa, Sunderland AFC
 
So we are now 5 points worse off than we were after the same fixtures last season... Great.
 
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Matchday 11

4: Manchester City
3:
2:
1: Arsenal FC
0: Liverpool FC
-1: Manchester United
-2:
-3: Leicester City, West Ham United
-4:
-5: Everton
-6: Tottenham Hotspur
-7: Watford FC
-8:
-9: Southampton FC
-10:
-11:
-12: Crystal Palace, Stoke City
-13: Chelsea FC
-14: AFC Bournemouth
-15: Norwich City, Swansea City, West Bromwich Albion
-16: Newcastle United
-17:
-18:
-19: Aston Villa
-20: Sunderland AFC
 
Damien said:
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Matchday 11

4: Manchester City
3:
2:
1: Arsenal FC
0: Liverpool FC
-1: Manchester United
-2:
-3: Leicester City, West Ham United
-4:
-5: Everton
-6: Tottenham Hotspur
-7: Watford FC
-8:
-9: Southampton FC
-10:
-11:
-12: Crystal Palace, Stoke City
-13: Chelsea FC
-14: AFC Bournemouth
-15: Norwich City, Swansea City, West Bromwich Albion
-16: Newcastle United
-17:
-18:
-19: Aston Villa
-20: Sunderland AFC
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Liverpool :eek:
 
Damien said:
Still don't quite understand why some were actively cheering them on against Chelsea last week. Mourinho was never going to get the sack and with the tough fixtures Liverpool have had they've got a good return and have a new manager to give them more confidence
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Didn't really realise their run of fixtures had been that tough. I suppose it shows Rodgers' sacking might have been a bit harsh.
 
Unlikely lad said:
Didn't really realise their run of fixtures had been that tough. I suppose it shows Rodgers' sacking might have been a bit harsh.
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When they sacked him, these were the fixtures they played in the league:

Stoke (A) - 1:0 win
Bournemouth (H) - 1:0 win
Arsenal (A) - 0:0 draw
West Ham (H) - 3:0 loss
Man Utd (A) - 3:1 loss
Norwich (H) - 1:1 draw
Aston Villa (H) - 3:2 win
Everton (A) - 1:1 draw

The wins they had weren't convincing at all, but apart from the Norwich and West Ham results there wasn't anything too bad. They were doing poor in the cup and Europa League though. Drew the two Europa League games and just managed to get past Carlisle on penalties.
 
Damien said:
When they sacked him, these were the fixtures they played in the league:

Stoke (A) - 1:0 win
Bournemouth (H) - 1:0 win
Arsenal (A) - 0:0 draw
West Ham (H) - 3:0 loss
Man Utd (A) - 3:1 loss
Norwich (H) - 1:1 draw
Aston Villa (H) - 3:2 win
Everton (A) - 1:1 draw

The wins they had weren't convincing at all, but apart from the Norwich and West Ham results there wasn't anything too bad. They were doing poor in the cup and Europa League though. Drew the two Europa League games and just managed to get past Carlisle on penalties.
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But to be fair, if the board knew Klopp was available you would sack Brendan.
 
Damient: 18412740 said:
Actually, forgot to update Matchday 12. We'll still be on -1 but Liverpool will be on 0
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So this makes Liverpool the favourites to win the title? Well at least they'll have a decent shout at top 4.
 
If I have this right, I think the current table looks like:

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Spurs, West Ham, Liverpool, Norwich and Arsenal can't gain any points tomorrow but all can lose up to 3. West Brom can lose a point or gain two and both Chelsea and Swansea can't lose any, but can gain 1 or 3.

Shows that for all their bad luck and injuries, Bournemouth aren't doing so badly but Villa are well and truly fupped. United and City can be happy with their results if not everything else and Liverpool are the team to beat.
 
I was wondering how we looked in the storey time table, given how we got most of the tough fixtures out of the way. Better than I thought actually.
 
+13 Leicester
+12
+11
+10
+9
+8 Tottenham
+7
+6
+5 Crystal Palace, Liverpool
+4
+3 West Brom
+2 Stoke, Everton, Watford
+1 Man City, Man Utd, Southampton, West Ham
0 Arsenal, Norwich, Bournemouth
-1
-2
-3
-4
-5 Newcastle
-6
-7
-8
-9 Aston Villa
-10 Sunderland
-11 Swansea
-12
-13 Chel53a

This is how each club was doing after last weekend relative to the exact same fixture played last season. Obviously it will have changed after this weekend (ie we'll have lost 2 points as we beat Chelsea last season, Man Utd will have gained 1 as I think you lost to Leicester last season) but I think this can also be a good way to have a look at comparing how your club is doing compared to last year.

Of course, this doesn't necessarily take into account runs of games, other factors such as injuries etc

(Not my work btw, work of a poster on a Spurs forum gg)
 
Would have thought you absolutely literally couldn't make up a table that would have Leicester 26pts better off than Chelsea, but here it is, :D.

Funny old game.

Leicester must be nailed-on to finish above them then, innit?
 
montpelier said:
Would have thought you absolutely literally couldn't make up a table that would have Leicester 26pts better off than Chelsea, but here it is, :D.

Funny old game.

Leicester must be nailed-on to finish above them then, innit?
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Nah, that table you're talking about is only comparing specific clubs performances compared to their own last season.

The one Diarm posted is much more reliable when it comes to comparing performances this season, only 9 points between them in that one.
 
Unlikely lad said:
Nah, that table you're talking about is only comparing specific clubs performances compared to their own last season.

The one Diarm posted is much more reliable when it comes to comparing performances this season, only 9 points between them in that one.
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Ah yes, of course. I thought you'd have to add back the actual pts from last year to compare and then posted that load of crap when I was amused by the massive gap between the 2. I am a dimwit.
 
Wtf Liverpool are top of the storeytime table? That's thrown me through a loop. Wasn't expecting that at all, guess they might challenge for the title after all.
 
justboy68 said:
Wtf Liverpool are top of the storeytime table? That's thrown me through a loop. Wasn't expecting that at all, guess they might challenge for the title after all.
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To be fair the Storeytime table works hugely in the favour of teams with difficult away fixtures first, as they aren't expected to get any points so can't do badly. They lose and it's +0, they avoid defeat and it's + 1 or + 3. The games that you are most likely to lose points on the Storeytime table are difficult home fixtures where you can't gain any points, but can lose between 1 and 3.

Lets look at Liverpool's away fixtures so far:

Stoke away
Arsenal away
Man Utd away
Everton away
Spurs away
Chelsea away
Man City away

For the above games Liverpool were "expected" to get only 2 points, which would be a poor return even for a relegation threatened team. They got a very respectable 12 points, "giving" them +10 on the table. Now the question would be would you expect Liverpool to get 21 points from their 7 home games against the above teams, as that's the only way they can maintain their average? Considering that they are +0 despite being +10 on their away fixtures I'd suggest not.

TL;DR - Away fixtures against the top 14 teams are the easiest means of gaining points in the Storeytime table. Liverpool have had 7 of these games already, which is more than any other team.
 
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finneh said:
To be fair the Storeytime table works hugely in the favour of teams with difficult away fixtures first, as they aren't expected to get any points so can't do badly. They lose and it's +0, they avoid defeat and it's + 1 or + 3. The games that you are most likely to lose points on the Storeytime table are difficult home fixtures where you can't gain any points, but can lose between 1 and 3.

Lets look at Liverpool's away fixtures so far:

Stoke away
Arsenal away
Man Utd away
Everton away
Spurs away
Chelsea away
Man City away

For the above games Liverpool were "expected" to get only 2 points, which would be a poor return even for a relegation threatened team. They got a very respectable 12 points, "giving" them +10 on the table. Now the question would be would you expect Liverpool to get 21 points from their 7 home games against the above teams, as that's the only way they can maintain their average? Considering that they are +0 despite being +10 on their away fixtures I'd suggest not.

TL;DR - Away fixtures against the top 14 teams are the easiest means of gaining points in the Storeytime table. Liverpool have had 7 of these games already, which is more than any other team.
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Good points. That's reassured me a little. I guess the 'truth' is somewhere in the middle, that they are doing a bit better than the official table shows but not quite as good as the Storeytime table suggests.
 
justboy68 said:
Good points. That's reassured me a little. I guess the 'truth' is somewhere in the middle, that they are doing a bit better than the official table shows but not quite as good as the Storeytime table suggests.
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Absolutely. Truth be told it's quite obvious that the Storeytime table is flawed. Which game would you expect to get more points out of: West Brom away or Man City at home?

The idea of the table is good, but it would need severe tweaking to be accurate.
 
What is the prediction power of this table? I mean, how did it fare in previous seasons? Examples?
 
justboy68 said:
Good points. That's reassured me a little. I guess the 'truth' is somewhere in the middle, that they are doing a bit better than the official table shows but not quite as good as the Storeytime table suggests.
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That's pretty much it. Our tough away fixtures have allowed us to do well in the storeytime table, but in reality we've also done well with wins at Chelsea, at City and at Stoke and draws at Arsenal, Everton en Spurs.
 
Treble said:
What is the prediction power of this table? I mean, how did it fare in previous seasons? Examples?
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Like said above, the further on in the season you look at it, the more accurate it will be. Though Liverpool aren't top in real life, they have done very well so far by getting a lot of points from tough away games
 
Treble said:
What is the prediction power of this table? I mean, how did it fare in previous seasons? Examples?
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It's not great, although obviously the further you go into the season the more accurate it is (as it reflects the actual table more and more).

As I said above at the moment it is assuming that Liverpool will beat Stoke, Arsenal, Man Utd, Everton, Spurs, Chelsea & Man City at home. At the same time it assumes that United will get beat by Liverpool, Chelsea, Spurs & City and draw with Stoke, West Brom & West Ham.

We all know United fans will be looking for at least +8 for those fixtures, whilst Liverpool fans would take -6.
 
Treble said:
What is the prediction power of this table? I mean, how did it fare in previous seasons? Examples?
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Yea, I'd be curious to know that also.

I think in a typical football season, teams lose unexpectedly to bottom placed sides and win against the top sides unexpectedly making the table meaningless. I don't think a football season is logical in the sense you'd expect teams to go "we've done better than expected against the tough sides, that puts us in a better position because the rest of the run in is easier". I think it just averages out which is one of the great things about sport.

This would be an interesting stat to look at: In order of a league's team ranking after the 38th game, what was their average position week by week for the actual premier league table versus the Storeytime table, after 12 match days?

I have taken 12 weeks because I think it takes a good 3 months for the league table to settle down.

So example, last season take Chelsea, add up their table position on week 13, 14, 15, 16.. 38 and divide it by 28 and then do the same for the Storeytime table. That'd tell you if the Storeytime table's of any use. I suspect it's not.
 
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Points collected in 15/16 versus the same fixtures in 14/15:

Leicester +11
Palace +7
Tottenham +6
Liverpool +5
West Brom +3
Everton +3
Watford** +2
Man Utd +2
Stoke +2
Southampton + 1
Bournemouth* + 1
Norwich*** + 1
Man City + 1
West Ham + 1
Arsenal -2
Newcastle -6
Sunderland -10
Swansea -11
Aston Villa -12
Chelsea -12

*Bournemouth = Hull
**Watford = Burnley
***Norwich = QPR

The league table - last home/away results against every opposition:

1. Man City 80
2. Chelsea 75
3. Arsenal 73
4. Man Utd 72
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5.Tottenham 70
6. Liverpool 67
7. Southampton 61
8. Stoke 56
9. Crystal Palace 55
10. Leicester 52
11. Everton 50
12. West Ham 48
13. West Brom 47
14. Swansea 45
15. Bournemouth 36
16. Watford 35
17. Newcastle 33
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18. Norwich 31
19. Sunderland 28
20. Aston Villa 26
 
Treble said:
What is the prediction power of this table? I mean, how did it fare in previous seasons? Examples?
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These are midway(ish) posts from the last two seasons. Obviously the format may well have been tweaked since then but last years at least, looks pretty accurate:

Dec 31st 2013:
rcoobc said:
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Jan 2nd 2015:
Damien said:
+6: Chelsea
+5:
+4:
+3:
+2:
+1:
0:
-1: Man City
-2:
-3:
-4:
-5:
-6:
-7:
-8: Arsenal, Man United
-9: Southampton
-10:
-11: Spurs
-12: Swansea
-13:
-14:
-15: West Ham
-16:
-17:
-18:
-19: Liverpool
-20: Everton

Game 20
  • Chelsea par
  • Man City par
  • Arsenal -1
  • Man United par
  • Southampton par
  • Swansea -2
  • Spurs par
  • West Ham -2
  • Liverpool -2
  • Everton -1
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