Personally think Gerrard will be a top manager and win big things in the future.
Steven Gerrard | Al-Ettifaq Manager
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Lampard was seen as good manager not so long ago. I would wait for 2 full seasons in premier league to judge.
Understand the sentiment, but unlike Lampard, Gerrard did the hard work with the academy before diving into management.
His stint with Rangers, though in a poor league, allowed him to experience pressure and he delivered.
The other good thing that Gerrard has done is assemble a useful support staff.
Not saying he is guaranteed to be a great manager, but Gerrard has already shown he is cut out for the job.
Rooney will be the best manager of them all.
(in reality I think Gerrard looks great, he’s positioned himself to learn a lot more before possibly going to Liverpool, but I do think what Rooney’s doing at Derby is crazy)
(in reality I think Gerrard looks great, he’s positioned himself to learn a lot more before possibly going to Liverpool, but I do think what Rooney’s doing at Derby is crazy)
In the past 20 years, these are the managers who’ve won the PL…
Alex Ferguson
Arsène Wenger
Jose Mourinho
Carlo Ancelotti
Roberto Mancini
Manuel Pellegrini
Claudio Ranieri
Antonio Conte
Jurgen Klopp
Pep Guardiola
These are all intelligent, cultured men. They’re all football people, they’re all pretty much from a working class background - but their above average intellect is clear.
Gerrard is a pub twat. I grew up with blokes like Gerrard all round my estate, a Billy Big Bollocks who smacks the DJ cuz he’s denied his Phil Collins or whatever, while his squealing blonde missus squawks in the background.
Did you see when Lineker asked him on MOTD ‘what’s your philosophy?’ And he said, ‘how long have you got?’, Lineker replied ‘as long as you want!’, and he quickly looked down at his shoes and started mumbling about ‘filling the spaces’…?
He’s a dressing room presence and a motivator who’s inherited a wildly underperforming Villa side who before the season started people thought would do well.
How did he do in Europe with Rangers? Ask Rangers fans if they think he’ll win the PL…
We’ve seen this with Solskjaer (though I think Gerrard is a better manager than him), it’s this silly narrative that people get swept up in.
He’s like a nastier version of Solskjaer - basically a dim cnut and a throw back in their attitude to their playing career.
I’m hoping that Gerrard does well enough with a bankrolled Villa side to force himself and his ego into the Liverpool job - that’d be really sweet.
I feel like this is supposed to be a rhetorical question, but the answer is 'very well and far above expectations'. Or was that what you meant? Cause it doesn't seem to fit your post...
I’m just basing that off 2 Gers mates I’ve got who I clearly remember complaining about his tactical deficiencies against better opposition in Europe.
Maybe they’re wrong, or I’m just recalling them moaning about a couple of poor performances they had, apologies if so.
But my point stands - perhaps I’ll be wrong and Steven Gerrard will turn out to be a skilled tactical manager - something he’ll need to be in order to win the PL.
It'd be more of a "feck you" towards those fan bases if he simply acted like they didn't exist imo. They are not worth a second of his time. If he reacts on it, he shows that he still cares - not necessarily rattled by it or anything, but still.
I don’t think he will win the league but ‘nothing tactician’ and ‘thick cnut’ just stems from sad tribalism for me.
Wouldn't you imagine that young coaches would make tactical mistakes along the way though?
Ruben Amorim for example got smacked in the CL with Sporting, apologised and said it was because he was yong and lernin, and came back and I think won the return leg of the tie. In his case that's a clear positive to me as it shows he's willing to learn, knows when he needs to and then demonstrated he could.
I'm not saying any of this applies to Gerrard, just saying I would expect young coaches to make mistakes along the way and the indicator is more about how you react to it.
There is no sense discussing this with the poster. It’s obvious he has an agenda calling the mgr c*nt and all the rest of it. It’s obvious to anyone that Gerrard seems to have a grasp of the game and tactics and will learn as he goes along.
I don't think there's any guarantees that a manager will improve. For every Ruben Amorim you get 10 Mark Hughes' probably, I'm just saying that judging them on a few mistakes in their early days is daft. What's more interesting is how they react to and learn from mistakes.
Liverpool fans defending Slippy G shocker. The man is simply too powerfull for anfield dwellers.
100%. I think we sometimes get caught in the beliefs we used to have of former players who go on to be managers. Being a player is one thing but being a manager is another job entirely.
I always think of former United players, who were mostly managed by Sir Alex. Keane for example, as a player had all the leadership skills you'd assume would make a great manager. The reality is the opposite. Keane was a terrible manager and even more so a worse man manager, an attribute I thought he'd excel in.
This holds true for most ex-United player's who played under Sir Alex, probably because Sir Alex mollycoddled most of his players. They had nothing to worry about other than who they were playing, thus not the developing the tactical and management skills needed to be a future manager.
Contrast this to Gerrard. Gerrard has played under, Houllier, Benitez, Dalglish, Hodgson and Rodgers. He's had such a well rounded education and on top of that worked in the Liverpool academy for 18 months under Jurgen Klopp. Yes Gerrard (the player) might have not shown signs that he would be a top manager in the future, but we shouldn't understate the education he's been given his whole playing career.
tbf my whole point is in reply to the notion of Gerrard being the ‘first English manager to win the PL’ - a claim that is an insult to much better English managers who simply don’t have the media narrative of Gerrard.
My post was comparing Gerrard to managers who have actually won the PL over the previous 20 years.
Could turn out to be a good manager. I wouldn't put money on it but he has done decent so far to be fair.
Why does he turn into a prat anytime a camera is around though? Making a point of looking at the Stretford End and staring at Everton fans to look hard in front of the cameras is cringey and classic Stevie Me behaviour.
Why does he turn into a prat anytime a camera is around though? Making a point of looking at the Stretford End and staring at Everton fans to look hard in front of the cameras is cringey and classic Stevie Me behaviour.
Because he either isn’t bright enough to make better decisions, or he isn’t a big enough person to be above it…
Both not really the mark of a great, intelligent manager or a tactical mind - more the behaviour of a reactionary thinker with a complex of some kind.
His European record is what kept him in a job the first two seasons we didn't win the title. We went out to a side from Luxembourg the year before he arrived. We then went on to get the better of Porto, Benfica, Sporting Lisbon, Antwerp, Feyenoord, Young Boys, Galatasaray, Willem II, Legia Warsaw and Lech Poznań amongst others. Last year we had the 15th best coefficient of all clubs in Europe, which is quite an over-performance based on budget and the league we're from. The only real blip under Gerrard was the Malmo game this season, which is perhaps what you're referring to. The system that Gerrard's management team employed - which he's now replicated at Villa - made us hard to beat. It wasn't always the best approach for running over the top of teams in Scotland, but it worked a treat in Europe.
He's a shite manager and absolute knobhead as a person. Of course they will give him some time but with a team like Villa has now they should be doing much better, let's see if things can settle for him but he's got nothing new to the game really, imeagine being on level with brentford, soton or CP...
Ole did better in a similar level league before going to England.
Ole did better in a similar level league before going to England.
Wasnt that bad. Entertaining. Anyway it wasn’t like he ran in the middle of the pitch and planted flag
I think he's a good manager with a very good coaching team around him. Together they can implement a style of football and get results.
Haven't got the stats to back it up but I'm pretty sure he had a big player turnover at Rangers. I remember him bringing in loads of players each window. Sort of already started doing the same at Villa.
Can't see that ending well for him if you don't back it up with results.
Haven't got the stats to back it up but I'm pretty sure he had a big player turnover at Rangers. I remember him bringing in loads of players each window. Sort of already started doing the same at Villa.
Can't see that ending well for him if you don't back it up with results.
We've generally played with far more tactical flexibility so far than the clueless stuff we endured in the final 5-6 games of Dean Smith.
And even at our best under Dean it was largely Grealish centric and if he was marked out of the game or injured our form plateaued.
Really liked what I've seen so far, his mentality is exactly what we need at the club.
Michael Beale is a very highly rated coach by all accounts who's followed him from Rangers so his input into the tactical side is pretty crucial so it's a good mix.
And even at our best under Dean it was largely Grealish centric and if he was marked out of the game or injured our form plateaued.
Really liked what I've seen so far, his mentality is exactly what we need at the club.
Michael Beale is a very highly rated coach by all accounts who's followed him from Rangers so his input into the tactical side is pretty crucial so it's a good mix.
Brilliant
1 win in the last 8 games for Stevie G.
Good enough for him.
Good enough for him.
How many more losses for him to be in danger?
He will be given to the end of the season.
The team aren’t fighting for a Europe spot, nor relegation. With that, I don’t think there will be any merit in chopping him and bringing a manager in, with the little time left in the season.
What were the expectations I wonder?
cnuts rolled over for everyone apart from their cup final against us.
So how’s this looking now?
I was shouted down for this by @njred and many others based on Gerrard supposedly being a good manager.
It baffles me how new manager bounce and media narrative just sweeps up otherwise intelligent footy fans time and time again.
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It wasn’t and isn’t based on media narrative though. It was and is based on his good work at Rangers. They spent money, but he won The league after a long, long time without one, performed very well against better teams in Europe and was always able to address dips in form and get the team back on track.
It might prove to be the wrong call, but I don’t think anyone was doing it because the media talked him up. I also don’t think anyone is foolish for thinking he might have something about him. It was based on a good start at his first club (regardless of how some downplay his achievements in Scotland)
Has a feel of Tim Sherwood mark 2 now.
We retired for the season after the glorious comeback v you guys....
We retired for the season after the glorious comeback v you guys....
He won the league with Rangers that stopped the mythical 10 in a Row for Celtic. Done so behind closed doors. Rangers fans will forever be indebted.
Out of the 9 major honours that were up for grabs while he was up there, he won the above mentioned league. He went out of cups to lesser teams and in reality (noted by a Rangers fan on this forum too), his unbelievable good European Cup runs masked a lot and saved him.
Otherwise, he was nothing special.
He did bring the Rangers side on and made them contenders. That’s for sure.
But to warrant a EPL job? I don’t think so.
Liverpool fans must be rethinking any notions of him replacing Klopp.
He did well at Rangers in the end, didn’t he? It’s a big step going to Villa in the Premier League, so far he’s done alright but nothing special.
I don’t think people should be over the top about his strong start there, but I don’t think he should be written off for poor form now, either. Provided they don’t lose too many matches until the end of the season, it’s all about how they do after the summer when everyone starts at 0.
What are Villa’s actual goals for the next couple of seasons?
I don’t think people should be over the top about his strong start there, but I don’t think he should be written off for poor form now, either. Provided they don’t lose too many matches until the end of the season, it’s all about how they do after the summer when everyone starts at 0.
What are Villa’s actual goals for the next couple of seasons?
He shouldn’t be losing half the games he is with the squad he has. They have a really good squad I think. Good attacking players, fairly decent defence and midfield.
There’s easily 3/4 players they have that I’d take here at united as squad players.
There’s easily 3/4 players they have that I’d take here at united as squad players.
3 and a half Years in Scotland.
1 League Title
Entered 6 Domestic Cup Competitions,
Got to one final. Which Rangers lost (to Celtic).
Gerrard failed to reach the final in any of the other cup campaigns and was knocked out by Aberdeen (twice), Hearts, St Mirren and St Johnstone.
(Won manager of the year, when realistically St.Johnston did the cup double and Davidson deserved the award).
Good Euro Runs granted.
Had Rangers playing better than previous management, granted.
Not a lot to merit EPL management.
League Titles 1/3,
Scottish Cups 0/3,
League Cup 0/3.
In Gerrard's time in Scotland he was the 4th most successful manager (in the decade).
1. Brendan Rodgers (Celtic)
2. Neil Lennon (Celtic)
3. Calum Davidson (St. Johnstone)
4. Steven Gerrard (Rangers)
There is no point comparing him to Celtic managers with dominant teams. His league title was harder to win than any Celtic title of the last decade and he did it unbeaten! He was coming from behind with Celtic in a position of dominance.
The two most important things in his time in Scotland would have been to show that he could overthrow Celtic (he did), and to demonstrate that he could compete well against bigger and better sides (he did)
I can totally see why that was enough for Villa to give him a chance. I am just saying that anyone who thought he had potential wasn’t playing along to some narrative. It’s because they rated his work in Scotland, and there is definitely enough there to rate, in my opinion.
Unlucky Stevie
It wasn’t a comparison with Celtic.
He won ONE out of NINE titles he went for.
Getting knocked out by the lower Aberdeen, Hearts and St Johnson.
The romance of stopping Celtic winning 10 in a row, and some of the European cup runs, sincerely masked the little he achieved. And retrospectively, it’s want a lot of people ONLY remember.
Give him time at Villa.
I hope it’s more misery.
And here was me worrying that this prick might turn out to be a good manager.
I hope he goes to Liverpool after Klopp, and ruins them.
The final part of your post was literally a comparison with other Celtic managers. His title was more impressive than any of theirs. Villa would have been looking at them beating the likes of Porto in the EL, rather than worrying about the fact that he didn’t win a league cup.
I don’t really want him to do well either, but there is nothing wrong with rating his time at Rangers and thinking he might have a chance.
Not going well now and that’s certainly not the worst thing to see in the world! I, like you, hope for more misery!