Steve Cooper | ex-Leicester manager
- Thread starter ThehatchetMan
- Start date
Nah, with him relegation was a certainty.
We absolutely were heading in the wrong direction and I'm glad the club learned their lesson.
After three games in charge and some good vibes, Ruud is now a valid candidate for a PL club?Nothing I've seen from him indicates that he's ready for the challenge. Especially with a team that's dangerously flirting with relegation.
Was he that bad? I know Leicester fans didn't like him, but I'm not sure what they expect with the squad they have.
I expect they'll get a new manager bounce from whoever comes in, but not much more beyond that. The gulf between the PL and the Championship is that big now that any newly promoted team is gonna struggle.
I expect they'll get a new manager bounce from whoever comes in, but not much more beyond that. The gulf between the PL and the Championship is that big now that any newly promoted team is gonna struggle.
Nothing I've seen from him indicates that he's ready for the challenge. Especially with a team that's dangerously flirting with relegation.
He also managed PSV, I know its different to PL, but he didnt just have 3 caretaker jobs at United.
Apparently he managed some team in Eindhoven
Big problem is he simply didn't play their creative players enough. I struggle to understand why Mavididi was benched on Saturday when generally he's looked o.k in prem and he has pace out wide which can cause issues. Buonanotte been their best player but he didn't start their first five games.
I think it's also worth remembering with Leicester that they kept Rodgers far too long in the season they went down. Didn't sack him until mid April 2023. If they'd let him go in Jan/Feb they'd have stayed up so given themselves ample time at least this season to get a bounce and move into mid table.
Drugs man
Yeah and your certified follically challenged fraud was a three time Eredivisie Champion as well as a two times KNVB Cup winner with Ajax.
Feck that.
I'll never understand MU fans weird worshipping of anyone granted the title of manager, even if temporary.
Last edited:
why are you being so aggressive
all anybody pointed out was that he managed psv too, after you said he only managed 3 games. Nobody made any comment on whether hes a good manager or should be a candidate for leicester. Brightons manager is doing very well having only managed st pauli for example. Managing a pretty big club like PSV is worth metioning, thats all. Such a strange response.If you hadn't just invented it you wouldn't have to spend any time understanding it
Weird appointment. Good coach but was far too big a contrast to Maresca. One of the most obvious sackings of the season. Right up there with ETH.
You’re talking bollocks mate because we all hate our social media manager, have you seen the format of those line ups?
Yeah ex-managers get nothing but worship from United fans. Can barely barely open a thread on Redcafe without seeing some Moyes worship or Ragnick worship. Wild levels of praise on here for van Gaal and Ten Hag.
Sorry for being a bit over the top.why are you being so aggressive
Just got irked by the prospect of giving Van Nistelrooy a try, basically mid-season, when we are by all accounts in serious danger of going down. I have no confidence in him. His Holland pedigree means nothing to me and he cruised through three easy games at MU's helm.
Last edited:
The level of bad faith in this post is through the roof.
You think people worship Moyes? I think you're delusional.
But no need to speculate. I'm sure he's got a thread on here - try asking.
People still to this day think he deserved time, so go figure.
I think that you're deliberately missing my point.
Well it sounds like your point is that United fans worhip all our ex-managers.
If that's not your point then what is?
Yeah, that you do.
I've been on this forum long enough to witness the incredible amount of faith placed in a manager despite all the facts pointing to him being a complete dud.
You're citing Moyes (a SAF recommendation) and Rangnick, when they were outliers who lasted less than a couple of months. Especially the latter whose job never was to be THE manager but a caretaker destined to be moved upstairs where his real strengths were supposed to come into play.
Last edited:
It's the Caf mate, any managerial sacking here is going to be perceived as harsh and a moral outrage.
i heard from a good friend that used to post here, that all the player fines for being late, bringing a phone into the changing room etc required you to sacrifice your first born to cooper.
That's what I don't get. Manager doesn't deliver ---> gets sacked. End of.
We got relegated because we hung onto Rodgers until it was too late. Cooper was a stop-gap signing due to Maresca leaving the ship on short notice.
I wrote weeks ago that he wasn't up to it. He was shite and deservedly got the boot. If the next manager is shite, he'll get the boot too. That's the nature of the business and I'm never going to feel sorry about any of them.
Last edited:
Even setting aside the needless hostility you brough to this, you're honestly all over the place.
Your whole point is that United fans worship ex-managers (like van Nistelrooy) even if they have only been in charge for three games, so why does that make Moyes and Rangnick irrelevant because they "lasted less than a couple of months"?
In any case Moyes was sacked in late April - he was manager for a full season minus 3 or 4 games not "less than a couple of months". Ragnick was also manager for over 6 months so think your memory is a bit off on that one too.
What's the relevance of Moyes being a Ferguson recommendation? That would make him more likely to be worshipped by the fans, not explain him being an anomaly.
Even if you've got some reasons why we can't compare Moyes or Rangnick, see how much worship there is for van Gaal or Ten Hag around here instead. Don't think you'll find much.
Your fundamental issue is that you're confusing two different things.
At United when a manager is in role then compared to other clubs they are less likely to be booed and have fans calling for them to be sacked. It's a combination of a few things including a culture of always supporting the team on the pitch rather than booing them, a reaction against the the media baying for the blood of the United manager so they can feast on the spectacle, and awareness that the whole structure is rotten and that while the players and senior management are the same then sacking the manager is likely to be futile.
However, because the club is less prone to knee jerk/reactive sackings, by the time they leave the club not much is left to the imagination, so our managers are more likely to have worn out their welcome. While there might be some respect I really don't think you'll find worship for any of our ex-managers post-Ferguson.
Ferguson, I admit, is worshipped by all, and rightly so.
id tend to agree i dont think the leicester job is a good fit for him. I think he should aim for an overseas league to keep improving before trying england, much less a tough battle and situation. If they could swing Potter he'd fit very well i think
You're being deliberately obtuse. You brought Rangnick and Moyes as examples when both were more exceptions than the rule.
Moyes was an anomaly. He would've never been MU's manager if not for SAF's recommendation. That he lasted a couple of months or a bit less than a season is irrelevant, he wasn't cut for the job and could never come out of SAF's gigantic shadow. If any, he should've been sacked much sooner than he has been.
Rangnick was a lame duck given an impossible task for which he wasn't hired. He's been much maligned when he was in hindsight someone who could've done your club a whole world of good if used correctly. These two can in no way be used as a metric.
I'm not confusing anything and please don't bring this ABU nonsense. Your fanbase has a tradition of backing the manager no matter what and finding any excuse under the sun, until reality finally smashes them in the face. This mentality extends to some of your players. You have a tendency on harping on the past instead of looking forward, and I think that it has a lot to do with SAF's legacy. You simply never got over his golden era and subsequent retirement, and are subconsciously always looking for his second coming in any manager you sign.
I'll give you Van Gaal, but José to an extent, and especially Ole and Ten Hag had a literal cult built around them. You are not going to tell me with a straight face that it wasn't the case, I've been following this forum's threads for years and seen so many posters defend them to the death, out of a misplaced sense of loyalty and despite any common sense. Not only on the Caf but also elsewhere.
I mean, your fans wrote a letter to INEOS to keep Ten Hag on the back of one game, ignoring the rest of a catastrophic season. You just don't know when to let go.
In footballing terms, your club has been managed like a small family business, with lots of vibes and jobs for the boys. That's why despite your prestigious past, immense pull and financial might, you've been perennial underachievers since 2013. Fortunately for you, INEOS look like they want to shake things up.
Last edited:
I'm already resigned to relegation.
I have little hope in this team and seeing that a 37 years old Jamie Vardy is still an essential part of our play doesn't exactly fill me with confidence. Signing Potter would be a coup, but even then I'm not exactly optimistic for the rest of the season.
Can’t see Potter going for it. The club seems toxic at the moment and wouldn’t be sure what the incentive would be for him in all honesty.
There is just nothing about them that suggests they will make it difficult for the other team or have any kind of resolve/identity to get them through a season in the PL.
The game against us for example I think is the only one this season where the other team has looked really poor and directionless by comparison.
I think it was make a change or just wait to be relegated tbh so its a hard one to argue with.
also I'm still not sure what we were trying to do to attack people
What sort of appointment are you looking for though? Sounds like you're already resigned to relegation, so would you really rather the kind of manager that typically gets the job in this situation (I.e someone that's bounced around from job to job) or a promising manager waiting for a chance.
I do agree that van Nistelrooy can't be judged on his games at United games, but he did well at PSV. And yes, of course, it's just the Dutch league. Always an element of risk though. Potter is no more a guarantee than anyone else you're gunna be getting.
Quite simply put someone who can keep us up, or at least get the best out of this squad and help us rebuild.
Potter has more PL experience and a better track record of improving players than a Van Nistelrooy whom I personally consider as a chancer with a nice turtle neck and an impressive jaw. Potter would be a great choice and I think that it would benefit both parties, even if it means one more year in purgatory.
Ruud can hone his skills elsewhere.
Last edited:
Yep. First game I watched was the Spurs one and you were decent second half which showed the players can make a fight of it, but first half it was annoyingly easy for Spurs, and that's the pattern in most of your games...and I think the players you have are better than that. Not sure how much better but they don't strike me as Norwich type quality where it doesn't matter what the manager does.
Also I thought Forest were very similar under him. Just seemed like they were always easier to play against than they should be. Whatever he does at championship level doesn't transfer over well to the PL.
As said I doubt Potter has interest in the Leicester job
Maybe, and I certainly wouldn't hold it against him.
All I did was to express my personal views.
he was close to joining in the summer, we are in a stronger position now so I wouldn't rule it out
MU fans
