Stephen Ireland - We could do with him

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Forget all about his hair, his pink wheeltrims, his false miscarriage and his present employers.

I have followed Stephen Ireland alot this season and I think he is one of the best young midfield players I have seen since Roy Keane or Steven Gerard.

He is naturally gifted on the ball, a massive engine, a good eye for a positive pass, tracks back and defends and 100% in his challenges. Also is not injury prone.

We could do no wrong by signing him.
 
agreed. one of the top three players plying the trade in the premiership outside the big 4.

fecking ugly mind. suppose he would fit right in here...
 
I would not object to him had we not already signed Hargreaves, and have Fletcher, Carrick and Anderson in the same position.

If his contract was running up then it's definitely something Fergie should look into...
 
Good player but he's just TOO MUCH of a wanker....
 
No - he falls into the category of 'out of United bounds', even if he would be good for the team
 
has come on leaps and bounds this season. He's one of those people that you rate but feel guilty about admitting it. Ireland could certainly use him. United? we've promising kids coming through but he's a fair shout
 
Forget all about his hair, his pink wheeltrims, his false miscarriage and his present employers.

I have followed Stephen Ireland alot this season and I think he is one of the best young midfield players I have seen since Roy Keane or Steven Gerard.

He is naturally gifted on the ball, a massive engine, a good eye for a positive pass, tracks back and defends and 100% in his challenges. Also is not injury prone.

We could do no wrong by signing him.

Apart from that he's a massive bell end.

No thanks.
 
One of the situations where you dont want really need him, but wouldnt mind getting him.

His link up play with robinho is fantastic.
 
Not the best defensively. Thats why for the majority of the season he hasnt played in central midfield, but on the wing instead. Even next to De Jong or Kompany - good combative players, Ireland has left City exposed in the middle. Good player though he is, for us he'd play behind the striker or off the wing and in those positions we are covered.
 
Yeah but so is Rooney, and so is Ronaldo.

It's not as if that side of him can't be curbed or anything.

I don't remember Rooney or Ronaldo calling their talent a burden or a curse (ungrateful cnut). I don't remember Rooney or Ronaldo saying their grandparent had died to get out of an International game.
 
Yeah but so is Rooney, and so is Ronaldo.

It's not as if that side of him can't be curbed or anything.

If Rooney's a massive bell-end, Stephen Ireland is a bell end of such monstrous proprtions it would have it's own micro-climate (with sunny spells and scattered showers on the dome but foggy gloom persisting under the rim)
 
In fairness to hime over the grandparent thing, he panicked. Thankfully I haven't had to go through losing a child, but I can't see how he gets so much flak for just panicking and trying to get away from international duty when all he wanted was to get home to his girlfriend and family.
Yeah, it was stupid, but I'm sure he'd lost the plot with worry.
 
In fairness to hime over the grandparent thing, he panicked. Thankfully I haven't had to go through losing a child, but I can't see how he gets so much flak for just panicking and trying to get away from international duty when all he wanted was to get home to his girlfriend and family.
Yeah, it was stupid, but I'm sure he'd lost the plot with worry.

None of that explains why he hasn't made himself available for selection since.
 
None of that explains why he hasn't made himself available for selection since.

Its his decision at the end of the day. Everyone in Ireland would love to have him play and he rightfully would walk into the team.

Its well documented that he felt he was bulled by Stephen Hunt and felt senior players never did anything about it and allowed it to go on. Hunt has continued with his bullying in recent months in the media by telling journalists the Irish squad would walk if Ireland was to come back into the fold. I would have thought the likes of Given and Dunne would have worked with him at City and eased his anger.

I know I'd have Ireland over Hunt any day.
 
Its his decision at the end of the day. Everyone in Ireland would love to have him play and he rightfully would walk into the team.

Its well documented that he felt he was bulled by Stephen Hunt and felt senior players never did anything about it and allowed it to go on. Hunt has continued with his bullying in recent months in the media by telling journalists the Irish squad would walk if Ireland was to come back into the fold. I would have thought the likes of Given and Dunne would have worked with him at City and eased his anger.

I know I'd have Ireland over Hunt any day.

Agree with that.

I didn't know Hunt was behind all the bullying. Where'd you hear about that?
 
Its his decision at the end of the day. Everyone in Ireland would love to have him play and he rightfully would walk into the team.

Its well documented that he felt he was bulled by Stephen Hunt and felt senior players never did anything about it and allowed it to go on. Hunt has continued with his bullying in recent months in the media by telling journalists the Irish squad would walk if Ireland was to come back into the fold. I would have thought the likes of Given and Dunne would have worked with him at City and eased his anger.

I know I'd have Ireland over Hunt any day.

From what I've heard, Baz, very little of that is true.

Hunt has already acknowledged there was banter, like with every player. He claims it wasn't bullying, and I doubt he'd have been allowed to get away with it had there been. From what I've read, Dunne and Ireland get along well at City. Would he really have stood for that from a relative newcomer in Hunt? Would he balls.

He didn't say they would walk out, he said there would be a "riot" if he only made himself available once we'd qualified for the WC. Which is correct. If Ireland wants to play he'd better do the ground work, or the whole of this island will be up in arms. He's good, but not good enough to have the whole nation hanging on whatever decision his pea-sized brain comes to.
 
Agree with that.

I didn't know Hunt was behind all the bullying. Where'd you hear about that?

Goes back to their U-18 days. Numerious stories are about, one which is known to have happened is Hunt walking in on Ireland when sleeping and trying to rip his hair out from the roots. Ireland woke up to find 10-14 of the Ireland squad in the room trying to egg Hunt on.

Hunt has a Star coloum in Ireland and regularly pokes a dig at Ireland his recent dig was that the entire Irish squad would riot if Ireland was to come into the squad for South Africa. That came first week in March just days after squad was announced.

I've heard other various stories some saying Hunt was to apologise with Ireland but didn't go exactly to plan, and Hunt sending text messages to Ireland of children dressed as Superman.
 
None of us know any of the players involved well enough to know exactly what happened but you'd have to presume that the bloke with the pink rims, hair transplant and massive angel tattoo who told a bizarre series of blatant lies to avoid playing football for his country is probably not entirely free of blame here.
 
very talented player but one Caf criticism session away from cutting his wrists

Pretty much sums it up. I don't think the lad is a tit in the Barton or Diouf mould, he's just a bit unstable upstairs but Fergie would be the perfect father figure for him. If the rumors have some substance in them and Hughes doesn't have full control of the dressing room, he probably won't reach his potential at City.
 
Broph's - Hunt himself has hinted at the story and said that all the players took banter and he himself was the subject of banter concerning his hair. The Irish Players also did a piece for the Indo where Hunt was labelled as the ringleader for pranks and stuff.

No one will ever know why Ireland refuses to go back to the Republic but the lad has done his talking on the pitch for city and the likes of Andrews and Whelan ainn't in the same league as Ireland.
 
Broph's - Hunt himself has hinted at the story and said that all the players took banter and he himself was the subject of banter concerning his hair. The Irish Players also did a piece for the Indo where Hunt was labelled as the ringleader for pranks and stuff.

No one will ever know why Ireland refuses to go back to the Republic but the lad has done his talking on the pitch for city and the likes of Andrews and Whelan ainn't in the same league as Ireland.

Baz, I've already said Hunt himself agreed there was banter. Why does that suddenly become bullying? And again, he may be the ringleader for pranks, but I don't see why that apparently makes him a bully. Was Hunt being bullied when he took stick for his hair?

Also, think of our squad. Then point out the 10-14 players that could conceivably be involved in the sort of incident you mentioned. You won't find them.

For what it's worth I think Ireland is a fantastic footballer but a complete spastic as a man. Dressing rooms are a rough place, and you need to be tough to stand it. If he isn't, why doesn't he ever feck off and visit his grannies of a Saturday, while he still can.
 
surprised he didn't win young player of the year. yeah, I know we're from the same town and all that but he is a great footballer. I could give a feck about the superman shit, the grannygate and range rover - his footballing ability is why he's needed for the Rep.
I'd love to see him change his mind and rejoin the team.
if he signed for Utd it'd please his Da no end as his Da is a big Utd fan.
 
Irish midfield remains caught in same old Trap


Though Ireland remain likely to finish runners up in the group after successive draws with their main riva
IF THE HYSTERIA that greeted the Irish rugby side’s Grand Slam win was great, then one can only imagine what solace this recessionhit isle would fi nd in a World Cup campaign.

Rugby has, and always will be, a sport that ordinary, non-day-to-day fans have struggled to understand the rules of, though the recent spate of nouveau rugby experts would beg to differ.

Soccer, unlike it’s oval-balled cousin is easily identifi ed with the masses, 80- year-old granny, or eight-year-old boy, everyone has a passing interest in the soccer team, and something like a month of World Cup fever, as things are at the moment with the depressing mood in the country in general, would greatly surpass the coverage the rugby boys have gotten over the past month.

We’re also told that poor economic circumstances breed talented soccer players, with some of the greats coming from the slums of South America. Though the Celtic Tiger’s downfall would have to steepen greatly for us to end up in a similar situation to that that bred Pele and Maradona, we can still be disappointed in the contributions of our footballers to continue to add to the hazy glow of success covering Ireland in the wake of Bernard Dunne and the Grand Slam.

That Ireland failed to take full advantage of their extra man against Italy left many disappointed, especially those who hoped Giovanni Trapattoni’s knowledge of Italy would see him mastermind their downfall (as he did in the 2002 World Cup), the drivel at Croke Park against Bulgaria put to bed Ireland’s chances of topping the group and thus gaining automatic qualifi cation.

Despite the result, it is diffi cult to foresee Ireland managing not to fi nish above Bulgaria, though similarly, it is hard not to imagine that whoever Ireland face in the play-offs will not outplay Trap’s forges. Northern Ireland’s result against our recent conquerors Poland raises the possibility of us facing, and losing, to our adjoining neighbours in what would be one of the largest sporting occasions we’ve seen, putting Munster v Leinster in the shade.

“How we can play at home to a Bulgarian side shorn of their main men, take the lead after 44 seconds, and then attempt to hold on to that lead for the rest of the game boggles the mind”

The reasoning for such negativity is simple, and two-fold. First of all, is the tactics. How we can play at home to a Bulgarian side shorn of their main men (£30 million Dimitar Berbatov in particular, aswell as Manchester City’s unfortunate Valeri Bojinov), take the lead after 44 seconds, and then attempt to hold on to that lead for the rest of the game boggles the mind.

The tactics seem wrong, though we cannot blame Trapattoni for this. That he would adopt what would ideally be a pragmatic and effi cient system was something that Johnny Giles, Ray Houghton, John Delaney and the rest of the selection committee knew when they offered the 70-year-old the job. His adherence to such a typically Italian system has spanned his entire career, this is not knew since he took up employment in Merrion Square.

Holding onto a lead is one thing, but we have now seen Ireland try to kill out a game in that way twice in the group in home games, with the last being against Cyprus. At Croke Park, surely we can manage to come out and play against the Cypriots?

The problem, largely, lies with the midfi elders. Arguably, the two midfi elders lining out have been the fi fth and sixth best Irish midfi elders, behind Stephen Ireland, the two Reid’s (though Stephen’s absence is hardly the management’s fault) and Darron Gibson.

The Stephen Ireland conundrum has been long discussed, but it is becoming increasingly clear how poor our prospects lie with the Andrews-Whelan axis in midfi eld; two players who are scarcely of Premier League standard are the fulcrum around which this team jerkily rotates. Ireland on the other hand has been one of the best players in the Premier League this season, and could fi t seamlessly into any team on the planet at this time.

Instead, we are happy to make Ireland out as the villain, to accede to the demands of the likes of Stephen Hunt, who bullied Ireland out of the squad to begin with. Surely if the choice is placating the likes of Hunt, who has the fi rst touch of Dirk Kuyt on ice skates, or picking a midfi elder who could add true dynamism we have lacked ever since, dare I say it, Roy Keane donned the Irish jersey, surely Trap and his lieutenants can only have one choice? A true pragmatist would win at all costs, even if that meant spiting himself to pick the best team.

Sadly, we have the wrong man for that in Giovanni Trapattoni, and we will not see Stephen Ireland under the present management, and likely under the next regime. This means that this qualifying group will likely go on to be a damp squib for us, with an inevitably elimination at the hands of a second rate nation in the play-offs.

The University Observer Irish midfield remains caught in same old Trap - Ireland's Award-Winning Student Newspaper
 
Goes back to their U-18 days. Numerious stories are about, one which is known to have happened is Hunt walking in on Ireland when sleeping and trying to rip his hair out from the roots. Ireland woke up to find 10-14 of the Ireland squad in the room trying to egg Hunt on.

Hunt has a Star coloum in Ireland and regularly pokes a dig at Ireland his recent dig was that the entire Irish squad would riot if Ireland was to come into the squad for South Africa. That came first week in March just days after squad was announced.

I've heard other various stories some saying Hunt was to apologise with Ireland but didn't go exactly to plan, and Hunt sending text messages to Ireland of children dressed as Superman.

I doubt it since hunt is 27 and Ireland is 22
 
that supposed incident with the hair pulling was last year. easy to remember really as that's when he was sporting the rug look.
looks a lot better now that he's decided to shave his head.
 
Forget all about his hair, his pink wheeltrims, his false miscarriage and his present employers.

I have followed Stephen Ireland alot this season and I think he is one of the best young midfield players I have seen since Roy Keane or Steven Gerard.

He is naturally gifted on the ball, a massive engine, a good eye for a positive pass, tracks back and defends and 100% in his challenges. Also is not injury prone.

We could do no wrong by signing him.

I agree. He is a very good player and would undoubtedly improve the squad. He would score a serious amount of goals as well. I think he would work well with Rooney also.

In relation to people calling him a bellend, so what if he is? We have a fair few as it is to be fair,
 
I thought he had a genuine chance of at least being on the shortlist of the PFA, has been awsome for city this year.
 
If the rumours are true about Hunt bullying him then it will take a personnal apology from Hunt to Ireland to get him to want to come back into the Irish team. This will never happen though as Hunt probably fancies himself as one of the Jokers in the team and probably is a bit cocky and has a pretty big Ego so he doesnt strike me as the type who would go knocking on Irelands door to beg for forgivness so that Ireland could come back and play. If Ireland comes back then Hunt has even less chance of getting a game in the first 11 so I am sure it suits him fine.