Stars and Reserves Draft R1: EAP/Indy/OneNil vs Physiocrat - Finished - 7 : 10

Who will win this match based on all the players at their peaks?


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From the desk of onenil:

If the standard is providing video evidence for every claim made then we win by default because you haven't posted any video evidence supporting any of your points.

Finding videos of off the ball activity and tackling is difficult for defenders let alone midfielders. I have quotes which indicate Overath's defensive abilities and some photos thanks to Synco. On the other hand the video which is to showcase Blanchflower shows some decent but not exceptional passing which you need in that midfield three.

Uwe Seeler offers more than a match for either opposing CB. He's been ignored when in fact he is a game changer especially against the lower quality CBs and DM opposing him here.

Collovati was a quality defender and part of the Italy 82 defence.

"He is born and grows football in the Rossoneri nursery up to make his debut in the first team that takes place in the '75 -76 season. Fulvio Collovati (born in Teor, in the province of Udine, May 9, 1957) is the first real stopper able not to regret Roberto Rosato. Almost in spite of his role as a defender, Collovati has great technical qualities and is very strong in the air game. In Milan he played a total of 7 seasons totaling 198 official appearances and 8 goals and winning 1 Italian Cup and 1 Scudetto (the "star"). And with Milan, before being transferred to Inter, he joined the major national team with whom he became world champion in Spain in 1982. " (From" 1899-1999, A Rossoneri Century ", by Carlo Fontanelli, Geo Edizioni 2000)

"Timely and elegant defender, excels in man-marking, and gives security to the backlog. Positive in anticipation and overhead, is a young star in the Scudetto della Stella, but also captain of the season of relegation, at the end of which passes to Inter. " (From La Grande Storia del Milan, Gazsport 2005)

We have a major tactical advantage in midfield. Three man midfields have a big natural advantage over 442 and 442 became so rare. This is the reason 442 went out of style in the top leagues. Much has been written how packing the midfield with 3 players offers an inherent advantage tactically. The Christmas tree is essentially a variation on the 433 format and thus has this inherent advantage over 442 in midfield. We've seen this happen numerous times in the last 20 years and its why 442 are so rare now because they do have a distinct disadvantage in midfield against more modern formations.

"‘Look, if I have a triangle in midfield – Claude Makelele behind and two others just in front – I will always have an advantage against a pure 4-4-2 where the central midfielders are side by side. That’s because I will always have an extra man. It starts with Makelele, who is between the lines. If nobody comes to him he can see the whole pitch and has time. If he gets closed down it means one of the two other central midfielders is open. If they are closed down and the other team’s wingers come inside to help, it means there is space now for us on the flank, either for our own wingers or for our full-backs. There is nothing a pure 4-4-2 can do to stop things’.
-Jose Mourinho
http://www.zonalmarking.net/2010/01/25/teams-of-the-decade-13-chelsea-2004-06/"

I think this depends on what you're classing as a pure 442. With Barnes adept at moving more centrally and Raul dropping back out of possession its a 4411. It's not like having Owen and Heskey upfront. I'll give you Crespo won't do much defensively but Raul positionally could well be a problem.
 
Regarding team EAP, his major strength are his FB and the star duo Kaka-Seeler and I would have preferred more playmaking players for the RM and LM positions.


------------------------ Seeler
-------- Ousmane Dembélé---------- Kaka
---- Brady --------- Blanchflower-----------Mendieta
-Lizarazu----------- Popescu-----Khurtsilava--------Sagnol

That I agree with.


On the other hand, Physiocrat will struggle to contain the offensive power of EAP.

His creativity comes primarily from his front three and goals from Seeler. I do think my defence is being underrated. Two team legendeary full-backs, Italian stalwart stopper Collovati with the classy Olsen as the ball-playing defender.

Also due to the lack of width in attack from EAP my defence can squeeze narrow and limit the space. He's very dependent on his full-backs stretching the play laterally especially on the right side (Brady could do that on the left). Without such stretching he will have less chance to create chances.
 
Finding videos of off the ball activity and tackling is difficult for defenders let alone midfielders. I have quotes which indicate Overath's defensive abilities and some photos thanks to Synco. On the other hand the video which is to showcase Blanchflower shows some decent but not exceptional passing which you need in that midfield three.

You can't ask for video evidence to back up a point and then provide none yourself backing up any of your points :lol:

Anyway good luck next round. I hope you find some videos to support your "quotes" :lol:
 
I am not a fan of reading articles of modern teams. Will wait for a video if you do have the time to look for a game. (Kaka/Rui Costa was a good example indeed but I havent watched it. )

Yeah I am bored sick of quote arguments. Only video will sway my votes from now on.
 
You can't ask for video evidence to back up a point and then provide none yourself backing up any of your points :lol:

Anyway good luck next round. I hope you find some videos to support your "quotes" :lol:

There's a difference between providing a video which is supposed to show great passing that doesn't and not having the video to show off the ball ability. One is contrary evidence and the other doesn't add to the argument. The reason I asked for another video from Blanchflower was that his reputation was that of great passer so I just wondered if there was another video (a passing compilation etc) that showed it.
 
There's a difference between providing a video which is supposed to show great passing that doesn't and not having the video to show off the ball ability. One is contrary evidence and the other doesn't add to the argument. The reason I asked for another video from Blanchflower was that his reputation was that of great passer so I just wondered if there was another video (a passing compilation etc) that showed it.

There isn't a difference to me. If you want video evidence to prove a point then you also need to provide video evidence to prove your points.
 
Yeah I am bored sick of quote arguments. Only video will sway my votes from now on.

That wasn't the point mate. With really modern in general, I usually prefer videos (probably takes 5 mins to find).
And in this case, the tactic actually went over my head for a long while and since the example that was given (Milan) was fairly modern, it would have helped me understand easier. Cheers.
 
That wasn't the point mate. With really modern in general, I usually prefer videos (probably takes 5 mins to find).
And in this case, the tactic actually went over my head for a long while and since the example that was given (Milan) was fairly modern, it would have helped me understand easier. Cheers.

I think its relevant though. We should be posting more videos to illustrate points and less of the subjective quotes (I know quotes are easier to find and less time consuming) but really its the video of matches of nostalgic players that changes my opinion more than any quote that I take with a huge grain of salt now.
 
I think its relevant though. We should be posting more videos to illustrate points and less of the subjective quotes (I know quotes are easier to find and less time consuming) but really its the video of matches of nostalgic players that changes my opinion more than any quote that I take with a huge grain of salt now.

Well that is true and obviously the ideal way of playing these things.

My point was, if the example was given of some 60's game, I wouldn't have asked the video as it would have been a tough find in the last hour of the game (I did leave my question about the attack yesterday itself though to be fair). Asked for one because it would take only a few mins (@Indnyc could probably testify)
 
Well that is true and obviously the ideal way of playing these things.

My point was, if the example was given of some 60's game, I wouldn't have asked the video as it would have been a tough find in the last hour of the game (I did leave my question about the attack yesterday itself though to be fair). Asked for one because it would take only a few mins (@Indnyc could probably testify)

Yeah.. I was surprised that the Christmas tree formation wasn’t as well understood as we thought..

Good game @Physiocrat . You have a lovely team and there weren’t a lot of weaknesses we could highlight. Good luck for the rest of the draft
 
My initial thought was to say 'Hey! Kaká is here. Where is the destroyer? Ok, Kaká would be unplayable. Oh! There is Seeler. Against? DefendersIhaveNeverWatched. Game over. Who else? Liza and Sagnol good memories. '

Second thought 'Lazy thinking that. Let's look at all the other players and aspects of the game'

Then I have started to overthink, watch some diverse videos...

And when I overthink, at the end I can't vote.