Amazing show, loved every moment, gets better and better. Feels like it's relevant right now too.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss three 1-1 draws.
The first got us knocked out of the FA Cup, the next puts us in a good position in our Round of 16 Europa League game, and the latest was an actual decent performance against Arsenal at Old Trafford.
All hopes for the season now rest on the Europa League - does Amorim have the squad to win it?
Amazing show, loved every moment, gets better and better. Feels like it's relevant right now too.
Heck yes it is. One of the best depictions of an organic rebellion against authoritarianism ever put on film.
It's quite good, some of the praise in previous posts feels a bit hyperbolic to me but yes, it's definitely well worth a watch for sci-fi fans and some of the best canon Star Wars content since the original trilogy. Reading some of the posts by melodramatic hardcore classic Star Wars fans about how Disney is destroying/ruining/etc the IP is a bit cringeworthy considering Andor, Rogue One, parts of the last season of The Clone Wars and parts of The Mandalorian are without of a doubt some of the best Star Wars official content ever. Obviously the most recent trilogy of "main" movies was a disaster for many reasons, but the second Lucas's trilogy (Episodes I to III) and probably even the original trilogy would be (rightly) annihilated today, as they also have their own litany of major flaws.
I think it'd have been different if they came in and said we're going to sort this out or something instead of saying none of this is canon anymore. It is all hindsight, though, because I, like everyone else, was optimistic about Star Wars under Disney.
This is why I can't get into the Ahsoka character even though everyone else seemingly loves her.
Not only did I think it was daft that she was Anakin's apprentice despite Anakin being an apprentice himself, it was daft to write that she survived all this time and had nothing to do with 4, 5 & 6.
Its a bizarre situation with me and SW. The Universe seemed bigger with less content and now seems smaller with more (content).
I gather its all in the stories and direction but its quite humorous to some degree.
I gather its all in the stories and direction but its quite humorous to some degree.
A jedi is always an apprentice (padawan) to his master. Obi-Wan is still a padawan to his master Qui-Gon Jinn (as the lessons and learning necer stops).
During the Clone Wars cartoons when Ahsoka is introduced, anakin is a jedi therefore can have an apprentice (padawan).
As for her not being in 4/5/6 movies, thats what happens when your movies blow up into a global franchise and you expand and ret-con that said universe
The reason people are stoked to see live action ahsoka is because she is a badass fallen jedi.
She has fought and held her own against : Darth Vader, Darth Maul, Ventress, The Inquistors, General Grevious, Obi-Wan and Anakin (at the same time) and Barriss Offee.
She's one bad ass woman.
Sorry, not having that. If it's not in the movies, it doesn't count for me.
The perfect examples are in The Phantom Menace. Yoda says there's always two, an apprentice and a master. Not only that, Qui-Gon had to finish as Obi-Wan's master to take on Anakin before his death.
I get why people like Ahsoka but she's a prime example of what went wrong with Star Wars for me.
Well Clone Wars, Rebels and other stuff is all canon so is as legitimate as the movies especially for younger audiences who watched Clone Wars cartoons on repeat probably as much as i watched the movies on VHS in the 1980.
Bringing back palpatine and the awful recent triology is whats wrong with star wars, not ahsoka. In the end different generations have different expectations of star wars and all that really matter is the kids to whom they sell the toys and merchandise to.
Also the quote you mentioned is the Sith "Rule of Two". They were discussing Darth Maul.
Yoda : Always two there are, no more, no less. A master and an apprentice.
Mace Windu : But which was destroyed, the master or the apprentice?
Probably because all the recent content is basically expansion packs and side quests for the original trilogy. The attempts to expanded the scope of the SW universe you saw pre-Disney takeover seem to have been abandoned.
You're forever complaining that Disney has destroyed the saga though, and this "prime example" was not added by Disney. My point is that the whole franchise has been plagued by inconsistencies, improvisation and retcons from its second movie at the latest.
To be fair to Ahsoka, I forgot about this scene from the OG trilogy
She was there all along! My bad
She was there all along! My bad
The rule of two (one apprentice, one master) applies to Sith, not Jedi.
https://www.ign.com/articles/star-w...e-to-reveal-the-origins-of-the-rebel-alliance
New books detailing immediate aftermath of Emperor's rise from Mon Mothma, Saw Gerrera and Bail Organa PoV's.
More like political drama than space opera. Interesting characters, but perhaps too niche for a street fan.
New books detailing immediate aftermath of Emperor's rise from Mon Mothma, Saw Gerrera and Bail Organa PoV's.
More like political drama than space opera. Interesting characters, but perhaps too niche for a street fan.
Of all the stuff Disney have done badly to Star Wars, stopping production of the EU (Legends), so they can release their own canon books is the most unforgivable thing, in my opinion.
There were some pretty bad books that is true, but knowing everything in the Disney timeline ends up at Rey Skywalker and the sequels is just depressing.
The Old Republic stuff was great. Bane, Revan the emperor. The novel Fatal Alliance is ripe to be converted into a TV series. Great SW novel.
Thrawn, X Wing were good.
Whens Andor S2 Trailer. That's all I give a shit about!
Couldn't have put it better myself.
Yes, there was a fair amount of tripe set after RoJ but I'd take all of it in a hearbeat over Rey and the sequel Trilogy we ended up with.
Yeah that’d suck, glad he saw sense
Watched the first two SW : Skeleton Crew episodes last night and I found them to be harmless, childish fun. I mean, its pretty much The Goonies in space but its familiarity and charisma will likely draw good reviews from the general audience and fans alike.
Watched an episode and yeah it's a fun and it's what they should have done from the beginning. Less Skywalker saga stuff more like this. Imo at least.
Of course only seen an episode so who knows where it heads.
Finally good news for Star Wars fans, if true.
https://variety.com/2025/film/news/star-wars-kathleen-kennedy-exit-lucasfilm-1236319794/
Kathleen Kennedy, the longtime president of Lucasfilm, is expected to step down at the end of 2025.
She intends to retire after her current contract ends, according to a source with knowledge of her plans. A separate source close to Kennedy, however, dismissed the initial report by Puck as “pure speculation” and said nothing has been decided.
https://variety.com/2025/film/news/star-wars-kathleen-kennedy-exit-lucasfilm-1236319794/
Kathleen Kennedy, the longtime president of Lucasfilm, is expected to step down at the end of 2025.
She intends to retire after her current contract ends, according to a source with knowledge of her plans. A separate source close to Kennedy, however, dismissed the initial report by Puck as “pure speculation” and said nothing has been decided.
Unfortunately the damage is already done. Not sure where they go from here even with her not at the helm.
Disney have put out a lot of garbage and all roads still lead to the Sequels timeline.
The way I see it from afar is she's produced mediocre to outright poor SW films, though to be fair the prequels were hot garbage, and a inconsistent line of TV shows with Andor, Skeleton Crew and the first two seasons of The Mandalorian showing alot of promise.
How do you feck up Star Wars?
Ask George Lucas. He fecked up his own franchise with the prequels.
And the prequel story should have been a piece of cake for any competent writer and director, which he isn't.
Old Republic era has never been seen on screen. Since it's 10,000 years before A New Hope, it's far away enough, to start fresh.
But they won't.
I must be in the minority that enjoyed the prequels 
the sequel trilogy however was absolute trash, especially the last one with Palps returning with virtually no explanation. I've never walked out of a cinema quite as bewildered after a film as that one.
Andor was great though, that prison episode was immense. Got to give them that and I'm really looking forward to the second series.
the sequel trilogy however was absolute trash, especially the last one with Palps returning with virtually no explanation. I've never walked out of a cinema quite as bewildered after a film as that one.Andor was great though, that prison episode was immense. Got to give them that and I'm really looking forward to the second series.
I must be in the minority that enjoyed the prequels
Andor was great though, that prison episode was immense. Got to give them that and I'm really looking forward to the second series.
I quite like the prequels, although I have to admit Attack of the Clones is mostly terrible. Overall they're uneven films and silly at times, but I think the overarching plot of the prequels is exceptional (and a lot better than "uh, we made another death star?"). Also, a story about the forcible transformation of a republic to an empire beginning with unreasonable taxation of trade routes looks quite prescient in 2025
Can Disney be trusted to not ruin that either though? The Mandalorian War and Revan would be epic if done right.
Quite agree with this. In fact, RotS is my favorite overall Star Wars movie, and I think the plot of the prequels is good, albeit the execution of the first two movies is quite terrible.I quite like the prequels, although I have to admit Attack of the Clones is mostly terrible. Overall they're uneven films and silly at times, but I think the overarching plot of the prequels is exceptional (and a lot better than "uh, we made another death star?"). Also, a story about the forcible transformation of a republic to an empire beginning with unreasonable taxation of trade routes looks quite prescient in 2025
The sequels were mostly terrible without any silver lining except the visuals, while trying to shit in everything good that was in Star Wars.
I hope Filoni takes the helm, he should have been Lucas' successor.
Exar Kun, Mandalorian wars, KOTOR/TOR could all be good material, but probably more suited for a TV show. Would cost a lot though.
I do not see we will ever see it despite that it and Heir to the Empire should have been the obvious choices for Disney. I mean, Heir to the Empire has a fantastic plot, it is Star Warsy albeit different from the old trilogy, was universally loved, and was one of the most sold sci-fi books of all time (probably second after Dune), so it was such an obvious way to continue the Star Wars story. But instead they decided to go with a plagiarism of the first movie, followed by a bunch of nonsense, followed by even more nonsense.
Tbf the prequels has been famously derided before anyone other than Lucas became involved. So it's not that hard to feck up.
But then that also meant people were keen for something new. And while I don't hate any of the sequels as individual films, as a trilogy it was badly botched given the initial goodwill that existed.
Mostly due to them not really knowing what they wanted to do with it and Bob Iger pushing a needlessly rushed schedule that even he later admitted was a mistake. If you don't have a clear vision and you're rushing to pump out films for money, there'll be problems.
I'd have RotS as one of the worst (I was 17 when it was released and I remember the laughter in the cinema with the Vader "nooo" seqence, we Brits never do that). But I was the wrong age when the Prequels came out and i'm sure some people like them because they were that little bit younger when they were released.
Surely it’s Favreau at the helm with Filoni running things creatively, right?
When I first saw the trailer for The Force Awakens, I had a tear of nostalgia in my eye, and couldn't wait to see it.
10 years later and I'm skipping entire TV shows because I just couldn't care less about Star Wars anymore.
Bravo, Kathleen. You will not be missed.
10 years later and I'm skipping entire TV shows because I just couldn't care less about Star Wars anymore.
Bravo, Kathleen. You will not be missed.
I like the prequels. Saw all of them in the cinema. That's not to say that they are flawless - the CGI is a bit much, the dialogue is pretty ropey to say the least, and the performances are pretty wooden, but the overall story was great - obvious that there was a clear plan behind it.I quite like the prequels, although I have to admit Attack of the Clones is mostly terrible. Overall they're uneven films and silly at times, but I think the overarching plot of the prequels is exceptional (and a lot better than "uh, we made another death star?"). Also, a story about the forcible transformation of a republic to an empire beginning with unreasonable taxation of trade routes looks quite prescient in 2025
The sequels got right what the prequels got wrong - the acting performances are much better and the dialogue is improved. The visuals are also better as they are using real sets for a lot of it rather than just CGI. Unfortunately, the sequels got horribly wrong the main thing that the prequels got right - the story.
Daisy Ridley was being interviewed after The Rise of Skywalker came out and she said that there was no overarching plan or story throughout the entire trilogy, and that major plot points were being changed at the last minute pretty regularly.