Sri Lanka
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"Terrorism" cannot be defeated.
"Terrorism" cannot be defeated.
Tigers have all settled in Norway and Canada, those clueless governments have all encouraged them, in the name of humanitarian aid.
Hope they are finished off quickly.
Before they go down they can do a favour by nuking all radical Buddhists in Sri Lanka.
Hope they are finished off quickly.
Before they go down they can do a favour by nuking all radical Buddhists in Sri Lanka.
So its not just Thailand that's got radical, nationalist-chauvinist Buddhists then.
Sri Lanka's internal tussles is all about government sponsored terrorism verus Tigers sponsored Terrorism.
Buddhists Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime have let out their homicidal attacks for more nearly 50 years running, butchering and raping innocent civilians, root cause of the ethnic conflict over there. They can still call the shots in any Sri Lankan government, immune to civil and martial laws as worse as Tigers.
The rise of the Tigers can be attributed to the benevolence of one Asian government certain western regimes. Fund raising was allowed, and hiring of mercenaries was done with a knowing wink and a nod from these governments. Latest item to be captured is a (hold your breath) A SUBMARINE. And now these very people are falling over themselves calling for a ceasefire.
Tamil Tigers announce plan to surrender
• Rebel fighters reported to be blowing themselves up
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/may/17/tamil-tigers-surrender
I'm somewhat surprised that this conflict, and the bloodbath among innocent civilians, gets so little attention on here.
Its been a long drawn out conflict which has claimed more than 80,000 lives over close to 40 years.
Whether this actually marks an end to this bloody civil war will depend on the magnamity of the Sri Lankan government and the majority Sinhalese. Fast relief to the hundreds of thousands of refugees and starving civilians, rapid development work and participative government with limited autonomy would go a long way to prevent the emergence of another LTTE. Behaviour similar to what started the conflict like 'Sinhala only' act will reignite this before long.
Whether this actually marks an end to this bloody civil war will depend on the magnamity of the Sri Lankan government and the majority Sinhalese. Fast relief to the hundreds of thousands of refugees and starving civilians, rapid development work and participative government with limited autonomy would go a long way to prevent the emergence of another LTTE. Behaviour similar to what started the conflict like 'Sinhala only' act will reignite this before long.
When did this latest round of violence begin? What is the estimated civilian death toll in this latest army offensive?
The indifference of the Western media and general public opinion is staggering.
Another huge ethic group which will never achieve independence.
Do they not say that there leader,(tigers) invented the concept of suicide bombing? I found this statement quite weird as I thought that suicide bombing or the act of killing yourself in an attack has been around forever?
It was ironic that certain western governments, including Britain, were demanding a ceasefire, citing civilian casualties. These civilians were being used by the LTTE as human shields. Many of them escaped. (Around 250,000-300,000). The Lankan Defence secretary asked Miliband, who came to Lanka, whether they would stop the offensive in Afghanistan, because of civilian casualties there. Britain has been the most strident critic of the Lankan offensive to stamp out the LTTE.
Most of the funds to LTTE come from Western countries that have banned this outfit.
As for the Lankan government, this is a good opportunity for them to show their goodwill towards the Tamil community. Autonomy and a certain degree of self government should be granted if there is to be lasting peace.
Most of the funds to LTTE come from Western countries that have banned this outfit.
As for the Lankan government, this is a good opportunity for them to show their goodwill towards the Tamil community. Autonomy and a certain degree of self government should be granted if there is to be lasting peace.
Hehehe
Tamil Tigers announce plan to surrender
• Rebel fighters reported to be blowing themselves up
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/may/17/tamil-tigers-surrender
I'm somewhat surprised that this conflict, and the bloodbath among innocent civilians, gets so little attention on here.
That's because neither the ''evil'' Jews nor the war-mongering Americans are involved, Hoyland.
If they're not involved then the majority of the CE posters couldn't give a shit about innocent civilians being killed.
As you say, Britain's stance against your country was and is hugely hypocritical.
As far as I'm concerned you've been at war for 30 years and you were well within your rights to end the conflict as quickly and as efficiently as possible even if that did cause significant loss of life to ''innocent'' civilians.
It's a similar situation (although obviously on a much different scale) as to when we bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki. It had to be done to save the lives of many hundreds of thousands of American troops who would have died in the event of a conventional invasion of Japan taking place instead.
Theoretically if we were faced with that same scenario today, would I support a decision to drop A-bombs on those two cities?
Damn right I would.
Well...we get a huge amount of coverage here in India so its tough to comment on the western media's indifference.
This phase of violence could be said to have started in late 2006 - low intensity for a couple of years until it really exploded with the military offensive in early 2008. It has also probably been the most bloody phase of the Sri Lankan civil war. Casualty numbers vary but i've read of close to 20,000 deaths in the last 2 years with atleast half of them being civilians.
feck me. That's more civilian casualties in 2 years than Palestinian deaths (including terrorists) over a century-long conflict here in the ME.
As you are enjoying better media coverage of the conflict, do you have any idea how many times the UN security council and human rights committee memebers found the time to discuss those horrific events? Have they come up with any major resolutions?
I also recall some of our resident fighters for human rights taking the streets of London in protest previously. Can you please update us on the current campaigns in the EU promoting the legitimate political rights of the Tamils?
Thats a bit(?) exaggerated, mate. I have many Tamil friends and business associates from Jaffna. They dont tout those figures. On a rough estimate, they say about 2000 civilians have died during the past year. They also say that about 1000 civilians have gone missing: supposedly killed by the LTTE itself in retaliation for doing something anti LTTE. During the 30 year conflict, a total of 70,000 people have died. This figure includes military, LTTE, civilian-Tamil, Sinhalese, and Muslim, casualties.
Everyones been catching them by the toe... how are they supposed to survive?
They will survive, because they are a law abiding, hard working, and industrious lot. Regrettably they got ensnarled in a lawless situation. If there is no LTTE, then these people will regain their lost glory.
Its all over lads.
I'll be the first to admit I don't have any authoratative sources on the numbers. I'm talking from Indian news reports.
2000 however is probably an underestimate. The United Nations said 6500 civilians died and 14000 wounded in the first 3 months of conflict in this year so the final number is likely to be higher.
There's no oil in Sri Lanka.
Ironically there actually are quite a few, but they do not get reported on widely.
On a slightly different note, my University held a conference on Jewish literature and managed to create a big furore by holding a dinner for the participants where the main meal options were pork or shellfish.
United nations rep in Sri-Lanka gave highly inaccurate figures; when these figures were disputed, and sources were asked for she said she was checking on them, and would get back. She is still to give the correct figures.
I just hope the participants weren't tattooed a number on their arm instead of getting the usual name tags.
Sorry I didn't notice this message earlier. Far as I know, there hasn't been a landmark UN resolution on Sri Lanka... excepting statements urging both parties to maintain the ceasefire and settle the conflict peacefully. There have been attempts by the UK to introduce discussions and resolutions in the Security council as well as the UNHRC which haven't suceeded.
The EU has been far more active as Frosty pointed out and while I don't know the exact number (and googling doesn't seem to be leading me to an answer), I do know there has been more than one resolution urging a ceasefire.
Figures are going to be very hard to come by. The Sri Lankan army and government have denied access to the conflict zone to all western media as well as non-governmental agencies including totally neutral agencies such as the Red Cross so its impossible to have independant statistics about casualties. Even the UNHCR has apparently been given very limited access to the refugee camps.
The Lankan government did try to settle the issue peacefully. First, in 1987 with help of Rajiv Gandhi. That failed, and it resulted in the Indians fighting the LTTE. Then in 1989, There was another attempt to talk peace, but it also ended in a deadlock, and the architect of this last peace attempt, the Lankan president, was killed by the LTTE. Before that Rajiv Gandhi had been killed in 1991 by the LTTE.
In 1995, again there was a peace parley: no go. LTTE broke the truce.
Then in 2002, Ranil tried to talk peace. The LTTE played around for time, regrouped, and when they were ready, suspended the talks.
In 2006, the present government sat for peace talks. It ended with the LTTE killing some soldiers in the North East. All these talks were held under the auspices of the EU.
With all these attempts to talk peace failing, why should Lanka heed the EU call for a ceasefire?
And what had the UN done to end this conflict? Absolute balls. Now, when the war was coming to a conclusion, we find UN, EU, France, Britain, US all calling for a ceasefire. Bloody hypocrites.
Anver... from some of my posts you may have gotten the impression that I believe the LTTE is not to blame and Sri Lankan government is. If so, you're wrong.
I do believe that almost all the mistakes and provocation in recent years have been the LTTE's. I agree that they have made no real attempt to find a peaceful solution and stuck to the demand for an independant Eelam which in many ways was impractical refusing to consider seriously a compromise solution which would see them retain considerable autonomy while laying down arms. They are also mainly responsible for beginning this round of conflict by repeated provocative actions in violation of the ceasefire.
Mistakes by the Sri Lankan government were mainly in the 60s and 70s such as the Sinhala Only act and the Black July atrocities. Unfortunately they've had a long and painfully drawn out effect.
I do hope this is a final end to the misery on both sides but somehow I doubt it.
Please stop, the numbers the UN estimated were a conservative estimate, and all were killed by the LTTE itself Not like the SLA to attack the "no fire" (irony) safe zone. Funny how Sri-Lanka has broken its ties with western countries and firmly aliened itself with countries like China, Pakistan, Libya and Iran, who themselves have attrocious human rights records. Why weren't independant media let in again? surely they could have caught the LTTE carrying out these acts? Why was independant media blocked from reporting from the war zone and why were channel 4 journalists arrested by the government.You really think that the government will give Tamils the rights they deserve and do you think that the JVP will sit back and let them do so?
Oh my you do talk shite don't you, anver who supplied alot of the arms to the LTTE against the indian "peace keeping" troops?
My government long ago labelled the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam as a terrorist organization. You can't fault Canada because people actually want to live here, free of persecution and harassment. Furthermore, outside of their own community Tamils have little, if any, support in Canada after the way their protesters have behaved recently in Toronto.But let's not let facts get in the way of your famously clueless rants, eh?
You really think that the government will give Tamils the rights they deserve and do you think that the JVP will sit back and let them do so?
The numbers game is a pretty dicey one, mate. Sri-Lanka has not broken ties with Western countries. She does not listen anymore with hands folded to whatever the West says. She did listen to them, and they only aggravated the situation. Lanka has cemented closer ties with China, Pakistan, Libya and Iran, because these were the countries that helped them in their war with the LTTE.
The war zone was a No Go zone for all media. Media became a nuisance, because they had to be given security. It was not just the 'Independent' media that was denied access.
Channel4 journalists were expelled from Lanka (not arrested), because they reported only one side of the story, and deliberately left out the bombing by the LTTE on tamil civilians.
We are talking of full scale war. It was not a football match. Some excesses do occur. Collateral damage is inevitable.
JVP has no say in the running of the government. Of course, there are a few hardline Buddhist clergy who will oppose any autonomy given to Tamils. But all Buddhist clergy are not hardline. And the government knows they cannot survive without the support of the Tamil populace.
* UN figures regarding casualties are way off.
* Media crews are not allowed to enter the combat zone for fear for their safety.
* This is war, and innocent civilians suffer and get killed in every war- it's a fact of life.
* With all the respect to Western public opinion, this is a matter of national security and we're not taking orders from anyone.
* Foreign media are telling one side of the story.
Some or all of these didn't go down too well on here during another recent conflict. In fact, the outrage shown by some fellow posters in response was quite intimidating.
* Media crews are not allowed to enter the combat zone for fear for their safety.
* This is war, and innocent civilians suffer and get killed in every war- it's a fact of life.
* With all the respect to Western public opinion, this is a matter of national security and we're not taking orders from anyone.
* Foreign media are telling one side of the story.
Some or all of these didn't go down too well on here during another recent conflict. In fact, the outrage shown by some fellow posters in response was quite intimidating.
The LTTE already had plenty of arms supplied by the Indians themselves, thanks to Indira Gandhi, and later Rajiv Gandhi. After the Indian army left Sri-Lanka they feigned peace with the then president of Lanka, and during those talks, they requested for arms to fight another terror outfit led by an Indian puppet-Varatharaja Perumal.
Your grouse seems to be that the Lankan government was responsible for the failure of the IPKF in Sri-Lanka. No, mate. The IPKF dug its own grave when they went berserk with the Tamils. Tamil girls were raped; their homes were robbed. This was one of the reasons many Tamils turned against the Indians, and that led to the murder of Rajiv Gandhi.