Sri Lanka vs England

Going back to the main point of the thread....
We're in a bit of trouble unless we have a quality first hour/session tomorrow.
Don't fancy chasing 250 on that wicket, with Murali relaxed.
 
Wibble said:
Cricinfo says 163 were against those two teams. Warne took only 17 since Australia don't play many tests against the second rate test nations.
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Whose fault is that? How many wickets has Warne taken against England who are quite poor at playing spin? If Murali had the same number of games against the likes of England he would have taken more wickets than Warne. Talking about advantages Warne had the likes of Mcgrath to support him, a better batting order to back him up and higher scores to defend.

This match is pretty much in the balance and it all depends if we can post a decent total.
 
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Lankan's right. English are as poor players of spin as Zimbawe.

Warne was a great bowler but he failed miserably against his toughest opponents- India.
 
crappycraperson said:
Lankan's right. English are as poor players of spin as Zimbawe.

Warne was a great bowler but he failed miserably against his toughest opponents- India.
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Yeah, don't think Tendulkar has ever hammered Murali, they way he hammered Warne in 1998 I think it was.

Murali > Warne

Tendulkar > Lara
 
Murali is the greatest chucker outside baseball. He should have been banned for cheating ages ago. Instead they change the rules and then only test him him when he isn't chucking (quite enough to get banned).

The Wenger solution :wenger:
 
I think Warne is an utter cock as a person and I have nothing against Sri Lanka but it makes a joke of the sport. If he had been from, say, England he would have either been stopped from chucking early on or banned.
 
Wibble's spot on here, it always suprises me that people question it. Warne does seem a bit of a penis, I probably wouldn't want to spend much time around him. Murali seems a really nice chap, I'd but him a pint or whatever he can drink. But that doesn't change the fact the former is the greatest spin bowler of all time, and the latter bowls with what was, and still should be, an illegal action. Yes it's his 'disability' that causes it, but tough. It still shouldn't be allowed
 
roonaldo78 said:
Whose fault is that? How many wickets has Warne taken against England who are quite poor at playing spin? If Murali had the same number of games against the likes of England he would have taken more wickets than Warne. Talking about advantages Warne had the likes of Mcgrath to support him, a better batting order to back him up and higher scores to defend.

This match is pretty much in the balance and it all depends if we can post a decent total.
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What a bollox argument. Murali plays most of his matches on spin friendly sub continent wickets whereas warenie plays most oh his on wickets more suited to fats bowlers. One could also argue that warnie had less opportunity to take wickets because of McGrath getting a bagfull every time he played leaving less for Warne.
The decision to allow Murali to continue bowling (I use the term loosely) was political and racist to stop the sun continental teams splitting from the ICC thus depriving them of the money generated mainly in India.
 
Brad Cantona said:
Wibble's spot on here, it always suprises me that people question it. Warne does seem a bit of a penis, I probably wouldn't want to spend much time around him. Murali seems a really nice chap, I'd but him a pint or whatever he can drink. But that doesn't change the fact the former is the greatest spin bowler of all time, and the latter bowls with what was, and still should be, an illegal action. Yes it's his 'disability' that causes it, but tough. It still shouldn't be allowed
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The ICC have cleared that Brad!! You cannot argue against the ruling authority of cricket and Murali has many many more wickets than warne when it comes to one day cricket as well:p

MURALITHARAN'S WICKETS
104 v South Africa
99 v England
87 v Zimbabwe
79 v Pakistan
76 v Bangladesh
70 v West Indies
69 v New Zealand
67 v India
59 v Australia

As you can see he has taken more than 50 wickets against all the major test nations and his highest haven't come against the "whipping boys"! He has also played wayyyyyyyyy less tests than warne. When he has played the same number and hopefully he would have played more against the elite by then; he'll prove you and the bitter wibble wrong!!
 
Brad Cantona said:
Wibble's spot on here, it always suprises me that people question it. Warne does seem a bit of a penis, I probably wouldn't want to spend much time around him. Murali seems a really nice chap, I'd but him a pint or whatever he can drink. But that doesn't change the fact the former is the greatest spin bowler of all time, and the latter bowls with what was, and still should be, an illegal action. Yes it's his 'disability' that causes it, but tough. It still shouldn't be allowed
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He doesn't straighten is arm. You can bowl with a bent are for example, as long as you don't straighten it. I don't think you understand the rules, Mr Cantona. The only doubt I have about his action is probably his doosra. All spinners barring Saqlain who invented it, bowl the delivery with a dodgy action.

As for Lanka no getting tests. That's not their fault. The big nations tend to play more against each other, whereas the likes of Sre Lanka struggle to get 3 let along 5 test match series against the bigger sides. I would like the ICC to even it out. . .but I suspects it's more about money and sponsorship.
 
Devil_forever said:
The ICC have cleared that Brad!! You cannot argue against the ruling authority of cricket
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I really can!

Spoonez el Grande said:
He doesn't straighten is arm. You can bowl with a bent are for example, as long as you don't straighten it. I don't think you understand the rules, Mr Cantona. The only doubt I have about his action is probably his doosra. All spinners barring Saqlain who invented it, bowl the delivery with a dodgy action
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That's a bit insulting and patronising Spoons, very unbecoming of you. I know precisely the ruling, which they changed after Murali came along. You may bowl with a bent arm, but you can only straighten it up to 15 degrees. A full ten degrees more than previously for spinners. And while lab tests may have cleared him, I believe my own eye when I'm watching him (on TV and in person remember) that he chucks it. I'm hardly a lone voice on this one either, some top former players and umpires feel exactly the same way
 
Wibble said:
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Yes. That's it.
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If Murali had played the big teams the same number of times as warne had then Murali would have got many more wickets than warne! It's not his fecking fault that sri-lanka can never get matches against the big nations:wenger:

Why are you soo bitter against someone getting the record and before you start the "chucking" crap; his action was tested and cleared!

Wibble Warne was caught for using! who knows how many years he had done it before he was finally caught.

If I was to use your kind of attack on Warne then I can just say that he had only taken all those wickets because of the drugs.
 
Devil_forever said:
If Murali had played the big teams the same number of times as warne had then Murali would have got many more wickets than warne! It's not his fecking fault that sri-lanka can never get matches against the big nations:wenger:

Why are you soo bitter against someone getting the record and before you start the "chucking" crap; his action was tested and cleared!

Wibble Warne was caught for using! who knows how many years he had done it before he was finally caught.

If I was to use your kind of attack on Warne then I can just say that he had only taken all those wickets because of the drugs.
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Well I don't know, but presumably they get tested fairly regularly and this is the only test he failed; also you should realise it wasn't a performing enhancing drug he got caught for, it was a diuretic that could be used as a masking agent. That he only recieved a one year rather than the mandatory two year ban should indicate to you perhaps his excuse was somewhat sound

Perhaps it's unfair on Murali that he doesn't get so many games against the bigger nations, and when he does he takes wickets (I contend it's due to an illegal action), but it doesn't change the fact he's played against these 'lesser' nations far more than Warne, who also has much greater competition for wickets within his own team, and Murali gets to play far more often in his own spinner friendly sub continent conditions
 
Back to the test match..

Do you Pommies fancy chasing 350 with Murali on song? And after all that argument around selection, Anderson has been a bit rubbish hasn't he
 
Brad Cantona said:
. And while lab tests may have cleared him, I believe my own eye when I'm watching him (on TV and in person remember) that he chucks it. I'm hardly a lone voice on this one either, some top former players and umpires feel exactly the same way
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The testing is bollocks as well IMO. he should be tested under match conditions, not the artificial environment of a sports medicine lab somewhere.
It's like comparing someones driving when there's acop car alongside the car compared to when they are out on their own.
 
Brad Cantona said:
I really can!



That's a bit insulting and patronising Spoons, very unbecoming of you. I know precisely the ruling, which they changed after Murali came along. You may bowl with a bent arm, but you can only straighten it up to 15 degrees. A full ten degrees more than previously for spinners. And while lab tests may have cleared him, I believe my own eye when I'm watching him (on TV and in person remember) that he chucks it. I'm hardly a lone voice on this one either, some top former players and umpires feel exactly the same way
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The ruling came in because they found most bowlers to have suspect actions. I've seen lab footage of him, and he bowls with the same action on the field, he must've also bowled the same deliveries during the lab test. I see no reason why the ICC would've cleared him otherwise. Although conspiracy theorists might disagree, though. . .
 
Devil_forever said:
If I was to use your kind of attack on Warne then I can just say that he had only taken all those wickets because of the drugs.
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He used the drugs to get fit. Nandorlene is used for the same reason - Usually when a player is recovering from an injury. It basically speeds up the process. I doubt he used them for any other reason. He was a great spinner, end of.
 
Warne at a press conference, on Ranatunge's pate: "He looks as if he's swallowed a goat".

Ranatunge: Better that than swallowing pills and blame it on mama.

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Healy to Ranatunge while batting with Mcgrath bowling: "Why are your knees knocking?"

Ranatunge:" I was with your wife last night"
 
Kiwi_fan said:
Back to the test match..

Do you Pommies fancy chasing 350 with Murali on song? And after all that argument around selection, Anderson has been a bit rubbish hasn't he
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I've still got faith in Jimmy, ecspecially over Harmison, who has'nt earned the right to pull on the England jersey quite yet...
Regarding chasing 350...we're fcuked, Cook going ealry does'nt bloody help either. Draw is the best we can hope for, and i doubt we'll get it.
 
We're 70/4

Little over an hour till lunch.

Collingwood and Bell have got to stick this one out or we're done for, not that we are sitting pretty at the minute.
 
Devil_forever said:
If Murali had played the big teams the same number of times as warne had then Murali would have got many more wickets than warne! It's not his fecking fault that sri-lanka can never get matches against the big nations:wenger:

Why are you soo bitter against someone getting the record and before you start the "chucking" crap; his action was tested and cleared!

Wibble Warne was caught for using! who knows how many years he had done it before he was finally caught.

If I was to use your kind of attack on Warne then I can just say that he had only taken all those wickets because of the drugs.
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I'm not bitter. I just think he is a cheat.

His action is "legal" after a massive change of the law and only under lab conditions. He bends his arm ludicrously when actually bowling in a game. He is still miles outside the regulations but umpires are too scared of the backlash, as happened last time, to apply the rules correctly and call him for chucking.

Warne was caught for being a vain feckwit who used a diuretic to try to lose a bit of weight and then sounded like an idiot trying to squirm out of the fact that he took a diet pill his Mum gave him. Something even a dimwit like him should know to avoid as a professional sportsman. He was perhaps lucky he wasn't banned for longer but that was because nobody really suspect him of being a drugs cheat whereas everyone knows that he is a fecking idiot.
 
Spoonez el Grande said:
The ruling came in because they found most bowlers to have suspect actions. I've seen lab footage of him, and he bowls with the same action on the field, he must've also bowled the same deliveries during the lab test. I see no reason why the ICC would've cleared him otherwise. Although conspiracy theorists might disagree, though. . .
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The ICC have bent over backwards not to do anything about his action over many many years. If he were from Britain or Australia it wouldn't be a problem because he would never have been allowed out of youth cricket with an illegal action like that.
 
That argument is old hat, Wibble. Why dont some of the original cricket playing nations form a union of their own, and play cricket only among themselves? That way you will see only 'fair' play. Wont have to worry about cheats. After all cricket was the game of only two or three countries, wasn't it? And it was played in the highest tradition. So, why take these cheats into that circle? Do away with the damned ICC. Bloody racist set up. Bending rules and arms to benefit a few cheats.
 
That argument is old hat, Wibble. Why dont the oldest cricket playing nations form a union of their own, and play cricket only among themselves? That way they can shut out the cheats. After all they did play cricket only among themselves before their domain was invaded by cheats. Their academies and the youth cricket system, who uphold the game in its highest tradition, will produce the best of gentlemen. Poor Warne-he never intended to cheat. Only popped a few pills, and the guy was crucified for that. There are so many other poor chaps from the original cricket playing nations who were victimized by the ICC.

And the damned ICC? Bloody racists. Bending rules and arms to benefit a
cheat from the newly promoted pretenders.
 
Well after this innings, my issues with Ian Bell are over. I said he didn't have what it takes, I said he could only score when the pressure was off, but at the moment he's almost single handedly keeping this test match alive. Quite how we've conspired to throw away such a fantastic position from the first day is beyond me. 130 runs behind... there is the mildest possibility of doing something 'Australian' yet. But the draw shall be snapped upon
 
Wibble said:
The ICC have bent over backwards not to do anything about his action over many many years. If he were from Britain or Australia it wouldn't be a problem because he would never have been allowed out of youth cricket with an illegal action like that.
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They have tested him and found him to have a legal action. And I've seen super slow motion footage of his action and he doesn't straighten his arm. I don't see why the ICC would lie. That said his doosra probably is dodgy, but that goes for all doosra spinners(bar Saqlain). I was also a sceptic before I saw his action closely.
 
Wibble said:
The ICC have bent over backwards not to do anything about his action over many many years. If he were from Britain or Australia it wouldn't be a problem because he would never have been allowed out of youth cricket with an illegal action like that.
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The problem was Wibble that if they hadn't changed the rule then most of your quickies (I know Mcgrath was one) would have had an illegal action as well.

This argument is getting tiresome and is bought up everytime he plays. Can we not accept that he has a legal bowling action and leave him alone!
 
Okay, it's bad, but it could be worse.

Prior has been bowled by Murali btw.

Bell is still well in, Sidebottom now there with him.

We can still do this, an hour or therabouts.
 
Which is why they changed the rules, or else they would've had to ban 90% of all Test bowlers. As you said McGrath had an illegal action but he wasn't the only one.

Edit. Sorry 80% were deemed illegal, which also included Pollock. I guess they just legalised chucking to save the game.
 
I originally thought that the dog was a secret England fan, though now i am not so sure.

Bell's gone.

Operation Block is now in full swing, enter Hoggard.

He has incidentally, chosen not to havea runner.
 
Brad Cantona said:
Well after this innings, my issues with Ian Bell are over. I said he didn't have what it takes, I said he could only score when the pressure was off, but at the moment he's almost single handedly keeping this test match alive. Quite how we've conspired to throw away such a fantastic position from the first day is beyond me. 130 runs behind... there is the mildest possibility of doing something 'Australian' yet. But the draw shall be snapped upon
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:lol::lol:
 
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