Spurs 2018/19

Pochettino trolling the fanbase by saying he is "so happy" that spurs "achieved their objective" in the window and it "was a great job from the club to keep the best player and keep the manager."

Last week's joke perspective is now great news.
 
Can't pretend to not be a bit disappointed with the window, I felt we needed reinforcements at CM but at the same time, there is no point in having a breakdown about it either. We still have a very good squad with a lot of good players and, as has been seen, it can be difficult to move on deadwood who you've bought in previous seasons to show you're doing something and have been crap.

If we genuinely couldn't find the players to improve us within our price range, then there is no point spending money for the sake of it.

I'd say only Liverpool and City have had really good windows. Arsenal did well for their position. Chelsea....a lot of upheaval but they seem to thrive on that I guess.
 
B20 said:
You are in for some disappointing years unless Levy changes his price range
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Spurs fans have already had a very disappointing few decades in the 90s and much of the 00s, where the most exciting things about our season would be aiming to avoid the relegation battle, getting into the top half and....having a positive goal difference, as well as playing Arsenal (and more often than not, losing). I think it is part of the difference in reaction that some on here can interpret as arrogance or nonchalance, we have been much much worse than this.

As it is, Levy has changed his price range and is constantly changing it. By all accounts, the contract that Kane is on is (rightly) by far the largest in the club's history. It was only 5 years ago that our transfer record was £16.5 million, which was only broken by Bale's world record sale. It is now 42 million, having also broken it the season before last too.

I think perhaps people need to be a bit more conscious that just because we have become a bit more successful in the league in the past few years, we do not suddenly have the same financial power as the other 5 clubs. We are about as far up from Leicester in terms of revenue as we are back from Liverpool and Chelsea. You need to go down to West Ham and Southampton before you get the same gulf between us and Arsenal. And there is no comparison with the Man Utd juggernaut, which has double our turnover. You can't suddenly spend money you don't have. That isn't to say Levy can't be overly cautious at times, he is. But realistically, unless we sell someone for big money, we are not going to spend 75 million on Zaha, a full 25% of our turnover, on one player, who is by no means a world class player.

The money doesn't appear from nowhere and, especially as we're trying to invest in infrastructure, I'd be careful about spending far more than we have and ending up like the myriad other clubs of a similar stature to us, some of whom are languishing in the championship right now.
 
balaks said:
Ok - isn't he right though? At least in the sense that it may be a contributing factor to the stadium cost inflating? Though Levy promised us the stadium money was separate from the transfer monies. Ah well, I'm over it. Let's smash Newcastle on Saturday and get on with it.
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I think he was actually talking about transfers there. Ie that a player who cost 30 million with last seasons exchange rate would now cost £39 million.

I'm not interested in whether he's right or wrong, was just linking where he'd said it.

As I said, I'm disappointed but not suicidal, no point in being too upset ultimately. Looking forward to the football starting again.
 
Moonwalker said:
I'm not a conformist, I don't really care what most fans think, even if you were representing them all, and summarising their opinions accurately, and I don't think either is the case.

Aurier making mistakes in "most" games you can remember is either you confabulating or we haven't watched the same team.

You've referred to the AVB "Era" which presumably denotes more than just his last season, and the unravelling and the heavy defeats only really came towards the end of his tenure.

Before that he had you playing some decent football, and that was actually the embryo of your high defensive line. Bale played his best football under AVB too.

So that summary, of AVB, pretending only one part of his reign happened is either disingenuous or delusional. If you wanted to recall "bad times" there was plenty to draw from.
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AVB was always awful. He got by in his first season purely because we had Gareth Bale whacking in a screamer every game, the football was still excrutiatingly poor and relied upon moments of magic from one individual. I'm sure some other Spurs fans here can back me up on this? It just got even worse when we lost Bale. Christ, are you seriously attempting to tell me that we played good football under AVB? I've heard it all now. He was woeful, a total charlatan.

Yeah, I don't think anyone can accuse you of being a conformist if you think Lamela was ever outstanding. That's ... that's an interesting one.
 
I remember under AVB we were leading till the 90th minute, yet somehow conspired to end up losing the game 2-1 to Everton. Wonderful times. There was also that horrendous 5-2 against Arsenal. We managed a strong points tally but still conspired to be mostly boring every single week, with Bale (the best player in the league that season) managing to single handedly win us points while we basically pointlessly passed it around all game. I always remember grumbles from the fans about the style of football, even in the first season, it's just not till the second that AVB became completely inept.
 
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AVB was always awful. He got by in his first season purely because we had Gareth Bale whacking in a screamer every game, the football was still excrutiatingly poor and relied upon moments of magic from one individual. I'm sure some other Spurs fans here can back me up on this? It just got even worse when we lost Bale. Christ, are you seriously attempting to tell me that we played good football under AVB? I've heard it all now. He was woeful, a total charlatan.

Yeah, I don't think anyone can accuse you of being a conformist if you think Lamela was ever outstanding. That's ... that's an interesting one.
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Actually, all the other spurs fans seem much more reasonable and much less of a drama queen than you are.

Yes, you've played some good football, even under Villas Boas, in relative terms. This isn't a very controversial view, unless the only time frame you consider is the last five years, which seems to be your only frame of reference.

Now, you're boring. You're repeating yourself, and small mercies, at least you're repeating the things I did say as opposed to your own inventions, but it's redundant nonetheless.
 
Moonwalker said:
Actually, all the other spurs fans seem much more reasonable and much less of a drama queen than you are.

Yes, you've played some good football, even under Villas Boas, in relative terms. This isn't a very controversial view, unless the only time frame you consider is the last five years, which seems to be your only frame of reference.

Now, you're boring. You're repeating yourself, and small mercies, at least you're repeating the things I did say as opposed to your own inventions, but it's redundant nonetheless.
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Uh, most Spurs fans are pretty much similar in their outlook to me. Very dissapointing transfer window, lack of ambition, etc. I won't go over all of this again but when you say 'most' , you mean maybe 2-3 posters here right?

We didn't play good football under AVB. I was at WHL every third game or so, I think I'd know about how exciting we played, thanks. Fans at games weren't happy with going from Redknapp's style to a possession game, and were concerned with our over-reliance on Bale. Our first season under him was a mediocre one, greatly aided by a world class player, and the second was a disaster. The era as a whole was horrific. You can keep denying this if you want, but again it just makes it sounds like you don't actually watch the team, or know any Tottenham fans aside.

You're the boring one, jesus christ. You come out with a bunch of outlandish claims and then expect to be taken seriously, because you don't 'conform'. Back up your ridiculous opinions or you'll continue to be mocked for them. You just spout nonsense as fact and then expect to not get called out on it, then badly attempt to justify it with a bunch of bollocks. Please continue to spread your wisdom on my football club, who else are you going to praise? Capoue next I reckon. Odds on to say Soldado wasn't that bad for us.
 
Apparently one average season in which he didn't even finish top four despite boasting the best player in the league slamming home a screamer for you every week is enough to not make AVB's reign an utter mess. One 6/10 season does not make up for the catastrophe which was his second season, in which we put out some of the worst performances in our recent history, including making Jon Flanagan looking like Dani Alves in his prime. Overall his reign was an utter mess because it left us with a bunch of terrible players we didn't need, some embarrassing performances, and on the whole terrible football.

I'll be interested to see if any Spurs fans here feel differently. Anybody here remember AVB's time in charge remotely fondly? Other than Bale being in god mode the first season I'm struggling.
 
Moonwalker said:
I'm not a conformist, I don't really care what most fans think, even if you were representing them all, and summarising their opinions accurately, and I don't think either is the case.

Aurier making mistakes in "most" games you can remember is either you confabulating or we haven't watched the same team.

You've referred to the AVB "Era" which presumably denotes more than just his last season, and the unravelling and the heavy defeats only really came towards the end of his tenure.

Before that he had you playing some decent football, and that was actually the embryo of your high defensive line. Bale played his best football under AVB too.

So that summary, of AVB, pretending only one part of his reign happened is either disingenuous or delusional. If you wanted to recall "bad times" there was plenty to draw from.
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That's the team I've been watching too tbf.
 
SquishyMcSquish said:
Apparently one average season in which he didn't even finish top four despite boasting the best player in the league slamming home a screamer for you every week is enough to not make AVB's reign an utter mess. One 6/10 season does not make up for the catastrophe which was his second season, in which we put out some of the worst performances in our recent history, including making Jon Flanagan looking like Dani Alves in his prime. Overall his reign was an utter mess because it left us with a bunch of terrible players we didn't need, some embarrassing performances, and on the whole terrible football.

I'll be interested to see if any Spurs fans here feel differently. Anybody here remember AVB's time in charge remotely fondly? Other than Bale being in god mode the first season I'm struggling.
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Not sure about the Spurs fans but I recall that period exactly as you've described, you were grim watch besides the Bale but so were Poch first season (or two?) as you relied on Eriksen to pull a rabbit out of the hat a lot.
 
SquishyMcSquish said:
Uh, most Spurs fans are pretty much similar in their outlook to me. Very dissapointing transfer window, lack of ambition, etc. I won't go over all of this again but when you say 'most' , you mean maybe 2-3 posters here right?

We didn't play good football under AVB. I was at WHL every third game or so, I think I'd know about how exciting we played, thanks. Fans at games weren't happy with going from Redknapp's style to a possession game, and were concerned with our over-reliance on Bale. Our first season under him was a mediocre one, greatly aided by a world class player, and the second was a disaster. The era as a whole was horrific. You can keep denying this if you want, but again it just makes it sounds like you don't actually watch the team, or know any Tottenham fans aside.

You're the boring one, jesus christ. You come out with a bunch of outlandish claims and then expect to be taken seriously, because you don't 'conform'. Back up your ridiculous opinions or you'll continue to be mocked for them. You just spout nonsense as fact and then expect to not get called out on it, then badly attempt to justify it with a bunch of bollocks. Please continue to spread your wisdom on my football club, who else are you going to praise? Capoue next I reckon. Odds on to say Soldado wasn't that bad for us.
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I respectfully disagree. You don't seem like you'd know excitement if it flew up your arse.

Your frame of reference is five years. That explains pretty much everything.
 
Moonwalker said:
I respectfully disagree. You don't seem like you'd know excitement if it flew up your arse.

Your frame of reference is five years. That explains pretty much everything.
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Good one. What .. what do you mean? I brought up AVB because you praised Levy for our current state, and I countered by arguing much of our success is down to our current manager, not our chairman. Post-AVB the squad was a complete mess and it was fixed, thankfully, by Pochettino. I am very sorry for not getting excited by 1000 passes a game though, I'll try to work on that for you.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
That's the team I've been watching too tbf.
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I'm really unsure of which Aurier he's been watching. He committed three, THREE foul throws against Crystal Palace, and has marked every single game by being rinsed by an opposition player then deciding to lunge in.
 
SquishyMcSquish said:
Good one. What .. what do you mean? I brought up AVB because you praised Levy for our current state, and I countered by arguing much of our success is down to our current manager, not our chairman. Post-AVB the squad was a complete mess and it was fixed, thankfully, by Pochettino. I am very sorry for not getting excited by 1000 passes a game though, I'll try to work on that for you.
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Nothing you ever mention reaches beyond Villas Boas era (sic). If you really think those are the dark ages for your club you must be around 22, which makes you impervious to any examination of a broader picture or context. And if you had that, I'd wager you'd be slightly less of a drama queen.
 
SquishyMcSquish said:
I'm really unsure of which Aurier he's been watching. He committed three, THREE foul throws against Crystal Palace, and has marked every single game by being rinsed by an opposition player then deciding to lunge in.
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:lol: Not even Valencia has managed that and my 8 year old son has a better grasp of what constitutes a legal throw-in than he does.
 
Moonwalker said:
Nothing you ever mention reaches beyond Villas Boas era (sic). If you really think those are the dark ages for your club you must be around 22, which makes you impervious to any examination of a broader picture or context. And if you had that, I'd wager you'd be slightly less of a drama queen.
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I have no idea what you're blabbering about. Going beyond AVB wouldn't be relevant to our current teams success, which is what the entire basis of this argument was about. How many times do I have to say this? You attributed success to Levy and I pointed towards how poor our squad performed under AVB/Sherwood as an indication of how much of it is down to Pochettino. I don't know why you're finding this so difficult to grasp.
 
Moonwalker said:
Nothing you ever mention reaches beyond Villas Boas era (sic). If you really think those are the dark ages for your club you must be around 22, which makes you impervious to any examination of a broader picture or context. And if you had that, I'd wager you'd be slightly less of a drama queen.
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Its easy not to support Spurs and admire everything they do when they get it right but ignore what's goes wrong because you don't have any emotional attachment to the club.
I'd say being so close to the promised land yet watching on as inactivity bleeds the chance away is as dark as it gets for a top side.
 
cyberman said:
Its easy not to support Spurs and admire everything they do when they get it right but ignore what's goes wrong because you don't have any emotional attachment to the club.
I'd say being so close to the promised land yet watching on as inactivity bleeds the chance away is as dark as it gets for a top side.
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It's true that emotional attachment can cloud things just as lack of it gives some perspective. Not sure how it would lead you to the sort of absurd outcome like the one you describe in bold.
 
SquishyMcSquish said:
I have no idea what you're blabbering about. Going beyond AVB wouldn't be relevant to our current teams success, which is what the entire basis of this argument was about. How many times do I have to say this? You attributed success to Levy and I pointed towards how poor our squad performed under AVB/Sherwood as an indication of how much of it is down to . I don't know why you're finding this so difficult to grasp.
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I attribute success to Levy to a large extent. I think Pochettino is a great coach too, those aren't antithetic opinions. If you wanna try and isolate how good a chairman has done, as difficult as that is, you take an account of the wider context (Including revenue). To that examination, any consideration of style of football is completely irrelevant. Your club was competitive in Villas Boas' first season just as it was under Redknapp, (however you felt about the fecking football) in conjunction with the fact that it was nowhere near that level for decades* before that.

*Which you don't appear to have witnessed.
 
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Moonwalker said:
I attribute success to Levy to a large extent. I think Pochettino is a great coach too, those aren't antithetic opinions. If you wanna try and isolate how good a chairman has done, as difficult as that is, you take an account of the wider context (Including revenue). To that examination, any consideration of style of football is completely irrelevant. Your club was competitive in Villas Boas' first season just as it was under Redknapp, (however you felt about the fecking football) in conjunction with the fact that it was nowhere near that level for decades* before that.

*Which you don't appear to have witnessed.
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When exactly have I said that Levy hasn't done a good job (overall) at Tottenham? That doesn't mean he now can't be questioned, or that concerns over the extent of his ambition aren't valid. You're speaking from the perspective of somebody who doesn't support the football club, thus seem surprised that we don't want to accept merely competing for top four. This squad is capable of taking the next step, with the right backing, most of our fans believe this and it's the cause of the frustrations over this transfer market.

Any consideration of style in football is completely irrelevant? I'm done with this argument, what an utter load of nonsense. Why do you think Mourinho was criticized for finishing 2nd? Fans want to be entertained, they pay money to go and watch a football team which makes them proud to be a supporter. Spurs fans demand good football, we won't tolerate anything else, and it's a very real consideration when a manager is hired. You can treat this as unimportant all you want, but all it will do is make me think you have absolutely no consideration for the actual fans of a football club, no idea about our history or values either.

We were 'competitive' for a single season due to having a world class player. As soon as said world class player departed, we turned in to an utter mess and AVB was sacked mid-season for being completely inept, yet you somehow take offence at me calling out his time in charge for what it was. It left us with a ton of issues and players we had to get rid of, and the fans were utterly miserable with the football and embarrassing losses. Only somebody utterly blinkered could somehow portray his time in charge as anything other than a failure.

Honestly, the way you talk about football makes me wonder if you're even a football fan. I've never seen someone take such a cold, detatched approach to football anaylsis. The quality of football is irrelevant? We were rubbish once so should be happy with our lot? Then there's your bizarre opinions on a number of our players, which cast doubts on whether you watch them at all.
 
SquishyMcSquish said:
When exactly have I said that Levy hasn't done a good job (overall) at Tottenham? That doesn't mean he now can't be questioned, or that concerns over the extent of his ambition aren't valid. You're speaking from the perspective of somebody who doesn't support the football club, thus seem surprised that we don't want to accept merely competing for top four. This squad is capable of taking the next step, with the right backing, most of our fans believe this and it's the cause of the frustrations over this transfer market.

Any consideration of style in football is completely irrelevant? I'm done with this argument, what an utter load of nonsense. Why do you think Mourinho was criticized for finishing 2nd? Fans want to be entertained, they pay money to go and watch a football team which makes them proud to be a supporter. Spurs fans demand good football, we won't tolerate anything else, and it's a very real consideration when a manager is hired. You can treat this as unimportant all you want, but all it will do is make me think you have absolutely no consideration for the actual fans of a football club, no idea about our history or values either.

We were 'competitive' for a single season due to having a world class player. As soon as said world class player departed, we turned in to an utter mess and AVB was sacked mid-season for being completely inept, yet you somehow take offence at me calling out his time in charge for what it was. It left us with a ton of issues and players we had to get rid of, and the fans were utterly miserable with the football and embarrassing losses. Only somebody utterly blinkered could somehow portray his time in charge as anything other than a failure.

Honestly, the way you talk about football makes me wonder if you're even a football fan. I've never seen someone take such a cold, detatched approach to football anaylsis. The quality of football is irrelevant? We were rubbish once so should be happy with our lot? Then there's your bizarre opinions on a number of our players, which cast doubts on whether you watch them at all.
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"Concerns over the extent of his ambition" is quite a climb down from "complete lack of ambition" which is what you originally claimed.

No one said anyone can't be questioned. I've implored you not to use straw man, but you just keep reverting to type.

I think not accepting "merely" top four from a club with your finances and your wage bill is delusional, yes.

I didn't say "Any consideration of style in football is completely irrelevant". You've fabricated that and it's just a couple of posts back. Go back and read what I wrote. Try to concentrate, real hard.

I didn't take any "offence" at anything you said, nor will I.

I didn't portray "Villas Boas' time" as not a failure.

Congratulations you've bested Cathy fecking Newman right here.
 
Moonwalker said:
"Concerns over the extent of his ambition" is quite a climb down from "complete lack of ambition" which is what you originally claimed.

No one said anyone can't be questioned. I've implored you not to use straw man, but you just keep reverting to type.

I think not accepting "merely" top four from a club with your finances and your wage bill is delusional, yes.

I didn't say "Any consideration of style in football is completely irrelevant". You've fabricated that and it's just a couple of posts back. Go back and read what I wrote. Try to concentrate, real hard.

I didn't take any "offence" at anything you said, nor will I.

I didn't portray "Villas Boas' time" as not a failure.

Congratulations you've bested Cathy fecking Newman right here.
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You've been calling me melodramatic throughout the thread for questioning our transfer market. It has been terrible, we fixed none our issues. You've basically countered us having a bad market with 'Well, you were awful before and Levy has clearly done good work so what are you complaining about' ?

This is where you don't even sound like a football fan. Expectations change when you have world class players and a fantastic manager, the wage bill isn't relevant. Now we're at this level, inevitably fans will want to take the next step and won't just be content with 'competing' for the fourth placed trophy. If you can't understand that then you have no romance in you at all, and I feel sorry for you because your life as a football fan must be hideously dull. I guess not though, if Lamela's performances outstand you.

You said 'Any consideration of style in football is completely irrelevant'. These were your exact words. What in the fecking world are you talking about?

You immediately got very uppity in the argument, and started diagnosing me with various personality disorders, and spouting latin phrases. All because I called out your opinions for being outright idiotic.

What did you say then? 'Avb wasn't that bad' ? Despite leaving with us with a horrible squad, behind Everton in the table, terrible football, etc etc ... you're talking nonsense. Just because we were terrible a long time ago, doesn't mean we weren't very bad under Villas Boas. The two things aren't connected.

If I'm Cathy Newman, who would that make you? Personally I'm getting Moh off Arsenal Fan TV vibes.
 
SquishyMcSquish said:
You've been calling me melodramatic throughout the thread for questioning our transfer market. It has been terrible, we fixed none our issues. You've basically countered us having a bad market with 'Well, you were awful before and Levy has clearly done good work so what are you complaining about' ?

This is where you don't even sound like a football fan. Expectations change when you have world class players and a fantastic manager, the wage bill isn't relevant. Now we're at this level, inevitably fans will want to take the next step and won't just be content with 'competing' for the fourth placed trophy. If you can't understand that then you have no romance in you at all, and I feel sorry for you because your life as a football fan must be hideously dull. I guess not though, if Lamela's performances outstand you.

You said 'Any consideration of style in football is completely irrelevant'. These were your exact words. What in the fecking world are you talking about?

You immediately got very uppity in the argument, and started diagnosing me with various personality disorders, and spouting latin phrases. All because I called out your opinions for being outright idiotic.

What did you say then? 'Avb wasn't that bad' ? Despite leaving with us with a horrible squad, behind Everton in the table, terrible football, etc etc ... you're talking nonsense. Just because we were terrible a long time ago, doesn't mean we weren't very bad under Villas Boas. The two things aren't connected.

If I'm Cathy Newman, who would that make you? Personally I'm getting Moh off Arsenal Fan TV vibes.
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Yeah I'm weird like that, getting all worked up over nothing and all uppity, and all for nothing, you were just calling my opinions idiotic, that's all. :lol:
Just listen to your own arguments, or better yet read some of mine, like the bolded bit. Read the preceding sentence.


I don't really give a shit what you call my opinions or me, but it is a tiresome discussion, mainly because you refuse to read.
 
@SquishyMcSquish

You are completely correct. AVB years were awful side to side possession football, with an ove reliance in the only world class player we had. In relative terms it was great because we were higher up in the table but I don't look back on that period particularly fondly other than Bale.

Poch era is a million miles better than that.
 
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@SquishyMcSquish - I've praised you a couple of times.

But I've got to ask... do you see Flanagan in your nightmares? I doubt his mum brings him up as much as you do.
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I see Flanagan scoring a worldie against us as pretty much the defining moment of the AVB era. Probably one of my most depressing moments as a football fan.
 
Moonwalker said:
Yeah I'm weird like that, getting all worked up over nothing and all uppity, and all for nothing, you were just calling my opinions idiotic, that's all. :lol:
Just listen to your own arguments, or better yet read some of mine, like the bolded bit. Read the preceding sentence.


I don't really give a shit what you call my opinions or me, but it is a tiresome discussion, mainly because you refuse to read.
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It's a tiresome discussion because you know feck all about Tottenham Hotspur, as is evidenced by your hilariously stupid opinions which I doubt you'll find a single person agrees with. I'm not going to be lectured on my own arguments by the man who thinks Serge Aurier is a decent player, Erik Lamela is outstanding, and the AVB era wasn't all that bad.

I called your opinions idiotic after you decided to start handing out stupid insults because I told you that you were wrong. That would be when you came in to a thread and started lecturing Spurs fans on their own football club, when you blatantly know next to nothing about it yourself.
 
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@SquishyMcSquish

You are completely correct. AVB years were awful side to side possession football, with an ove reliance in the only world class player we had. In relative terms it was great because we were higher up in the table but I don't look back on that period particularly fondly other than Bale.

Poch era is a million miles better than that.
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Nah, don't say that. @Moonwalker knows best and will be along soon to diagnose you with a personality disorder, use a couple of latin phrases to hide the fact he knows feck all, and then accuse you of bad arguments when he's blessing us with such opinions as 'Serge Aurier is nearly as good as Walker'.
 
SquishyMcSquish said:
It's a tiresome discussion because you know feck all about Tottenham Hotspur, as is evidenced by your hilariously stupid opinions which I doubt you'll find a single person agrees with. I'm not going to be lectured on my own arguments by the man who thinks Serge Aurier is a decent player, Erik Lamela is outstanding, and the AVB era wasn't all that bad.

I called your opinions idiotic after you decided to start handing out stupid insults because I told you that you were wrong. That would be when you came in to a thread and started lecturing Spurs fans on their own football club, when you blatantly know next to nothing about it yourself.
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I guess reading and comprehending was a tall order, so now you're back to parroting your boilerplate. What a shocking outcome.
 
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