If we don't rate Marcus Rashford, a local kid who has scored 88 goals for Manchester United by the age of 23, who do we rate?
Sorry, but why is Rashford rated here? (Read the context)
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Ronaldo and Messi have completely destroyed what a good season means in terms of numbers.
Compare his numbers from a season where he had injury and players had no time time to recover against most players' best ever seasons, and you'd see how good Rashford has been in terms of output. The numbers Rashford had this season were reached by Hazard once in his career, haven't been reached by Neymar in the last 3 years and are better than Salah.
Had he been taking pens for us, it'd have been a ridiculous season where he'd have gotten something like 45-48 odd goals, and could have broken Denis Law's 46 goal season record
There are things he can still improve on, but it's not the best discussion where people are questioning whether he should be rated or not.
Compare his numbers from a season where he had injury and players had no time time to recover against most players' best ever seasons, and you'd see how good Rashford has been in terms of output. The numbers Rashford had this season were reached by Hazard once in his career, haven't been reached by Neymar in the last 3 years and are better than Salah.
Had he been taking pens for us, it'd have been a ridiculous season where he'd have gotten something like 45-48 odd goals, and could have broken Denis Law's 46 goal season record
| Player | nPG+A | Comments |
|---|---|---|
| Rashford | 32 | |
| Sancho | 32 | |
| Salah | 30 | |
| KdB (19/20) | 34 | Best season for City |
| Hazard (18/19) | 32 | Best season for Chelsea |
| Son | 34 | |
| Mane (19/20) | 29 | Best season for Pool |
| Neymar (17/18) | 40 | Best season for PSG |
| Sterling (18/19) | 39 | Best season for City |
There are things he can still improve on, but it's not the best discussion where people are questioning whether he should be rated or not.
You do realise that plenty of his detractors are English right?
United has always been a multi cultural and diverse club. Those who insult our foreign fans show a complete disregard for the club’s values, and I’d argue it’s these people who aren’t proper fans.
Not suggesting it’s all newbies and only newbies. Unfortunately you have a lot of newbies coming in talking utter dross or even pretending to be united fans just to post nonsense.
Watch how the detractors completely ignore this post and still continue to post garbage. Apart from the last two months, he had a pretty terrific season but shockingly it's been all forgotten. It's genuinely the case of him rattling quite a lot of right wingers or tory supporters with his stance which has contributed to this type of abuse. This thread title is also quite garbage.
I’m an Irish United fan. Unlike the VAST majority in this country, I would have had no problem with England winning on Sunday. Sadly, it’s Ireland’s biggest result in a while due to the hatred of all things England coupled with the fact that Luxembourg are better than us these days!
After the final, I received WhatsApp messages in groups from United fans slagging off Rashford and Sancho. Some were racist. I’ve replied to these messages by telling the senders to never talk to me about United again because I know the same guys will be sending ‘RASHY’ messages when he next scores in a red shirt.
The Irish have been an embarrassment, nigh on street parties on Sunday night but the English club jerseys on again now!!
After the final, I received WhatsApp messages in groups from United fans slagging off Rashford and Sancho. Some were racist. I’ve replied to these messages by telling the senders to never talk to me about United again because I know the same guys will be sending ‘RASHY’ messages when he next scores in a red shirt.
The Irish have been an embarrassment, nigh on street parties on Sunday night but the English club jerseys on again now!!
Don't bother, they are clearly trying to find scapegoats and their conclusion say more about themselves than anything else.
You’re right, I just find the disregard for foreign fans from some on here to be very telling, and ironic given that we’re all posting on a forum in which some of the greatest contributors are non English fans. I’d wager that the ones spouting that nonsense don’t really know a lot about the club because if they did the my wouldn’t be so dismissive.
Actually it's hilarious that @Nou_Camp99 posted that when he can't stop shitting on Pogba, AWB. One is our academy player and other is English player. Maybe selective criteria, who can be criticized and who shouldn't be.
I was going to try and read through the whole thread before passing comment, but got down to the end of the first page and couldn't stomach it. As has been said he's played through injuries for some time this year, he's not had a proper rest for ages and that has caught up with him. It's obviously effected his form and his confidence a bit. I'm glad he really only played a bit part in the Euro's as whilst he's had to train and had some game time, it's probably not equated to anymore than 90 minutes since the end of May. What needs to happen now is for his injuries to be assessed, if he needs surgery the go get it done, if not let him go and rest for at least 3 or 4 weeks and then we'll see where he's at.
I saw comparrisons with Rooney on the first page and on here stats in relation to some of the games biggest stars on this page. I don't think he's up on the top table when it comes to the worlds best forward, but he's certainly on the second table. I know this point has no meaning in many respects, but he's come through our ranks and consistantly scored and produced for the club, tell the last United forward we developed who has done that?
I saw comparrisons with Rooney on the first page and on here stats in relation to some of the games biggest stars on this page. I don't think he's up on the top table when it comes to the worlds best forward, but he's certainly on the second table. I know this point has no meaning in many respects, but he's come through our ranks and consistantly scored and produced for the club, tell the last United forward we developed who has done that?
The irony of his statement is that for many foreign fans, supporting United was a solitary decision sometimes made as a kid that is unlikely to be altered. i wouldn't surprised if most fans didn't know how successful United were and simply loved what they saw on the field and also loved particular players.
No, but if you bump a thread with an eyeroll and no text, it seems to me you're saying "I told u so", ie Rashford is overrated or you just want to stir up drama. Either way, you reek of WUM.
Thanks. I'm really offended by this "foreign United fans hate Rashford" notion, when it's so blatantly false. Just go on Twitter and see that it's right wing British pundits attacking him. Or read his socials comments and see that the vitriol is spewed by the Daily Mail audience. Lot of foreign United fans among either of those demographics
Also do the people pushing this idea realise that a lot of foreign Utd fans are non-white or of colour?
It's ironic that by trivializing the English attacks on Rashford, they're undermining his message. Why bother changing anything if it doesn't exist?
Bit unfair that, there's plenty of full timers derailing threads.
Just look at the state of the ole threads.
Personally in light of all the disgusting abuse that Rashford has been receiving on social media (across the spectrum), i think it would be a nice gesture from the moderators of this site to lock for a week any threads criticising rashford as a show of support and solidarity for one of our own players.
Anyone posting xenophobic and racist comments should be banned.
Anyone posting xenophobic and racist comments should be banned.
It’s ironic because this season alone, I’ve seen @Nou_Camp99 blame criticism of Rashford on Tories, Martial FC and now foreign fans. Seems he can’t make his mind up. If he bothered to actually read these threads, he’d see that a lot of the people defending Rashford are foreign, but let’s not let facts get in the way of a xenephobic rant.No, but if you bump a thread with an eyeroll and no text, it seems to me you're saying "I told u so", ie Rashford is overrated or you just want to stir up drama. Either way, you reek of WUM.
Thanks. I'm really offended by this "foreign United fans hate Rashford" notion, when it's so blatantly false. Just go on Twitter and see that it's right wing British pundits attacking him. Or read his socials comments and see that the vitriol is spewed by the Daily Mail audience. Lot of foreign United fans among either of those demographics
Also do the people pushing this idea realise that a lot of foreign Utd fans are non-white or of colour?
It's ironic that by trivializing the English attacks on Rashford, they're undermining his message. Why bother changing anything if it doesn't exist?
I heavily criticised Rashford in the past but he's output has been an integral contribution to the success of consistent seasons.
He's a great player, he's showed more promise then most inside forwards for his age. Performances aren't always the most glamorous but neither is Bruno's and look how important he has been to the team. The only people who seem to slag him off are deluded United fans, every rival fan vie conversed with has rated him from City, Chelsea, Arsenal etc.
If Rashford went up for sale today the elite clubs of World football would be queuing for his signature, he's united through and through he deserves more support.
He's a great player, he's showed more promise then most inside forwards for his age. Performances aren't always the most glamorous but neither is Bruno's and look how important he has been to the team. The only people who seem to slag him off are deluded United fans, every rival fan vie conversed with has rated him from City, Chelsea, Arsenal etc.
If Rashford went up for sale today the elite clubs of World football would be queuing for his signature, he's united through and through he deserves more support.
I can think of a couple or three.
Why are people now discussing whether Rashford is quality or not? Just because he missed a penalty? Who doesn’t! See mbappe and others. If anything, in my opinion part of the reason England didn’t win it all was not giving Rashford much time on the pitch. Especially in extra time. Not sure if an injury had to do with it or what exactly but if he’s there and on the bench he should come on because he can be a difference maker. He is more suited to be a LW instead of a striker, and for us he did good for the majority of last season until he tired towards the end. Rest now and work on being fully fit and healthy, and as long as you have that same right attitude you’ve always had, you will continue to be a top class player for United for years to come.
I don’t know but I think you'll tell me?
Yeah definitely. Would be happy to see his numbers as they are if he offered more outside it. I believe he can.
I hate when people use fact to derail the agenda it's so unprofessional. Just joking.
Rashford had pretty much been carrying this team either alone or with a little help from his Portuguese friend. His importance to this team is undeniable. He has been playing through injuries and low self-esteem just to help out his team. That's on Utd not him, we should have at least some players in the squad who could help him carry the load. Sancho is here now and let's see what Rashford becomes. But not rating Rashford is ridiculous.
@anant great post.
I'm not his biggest fan because of is inconsistency. the lad was carrying injuries all season and yet he was still one of our best players.
He has the potential to be a great player he needs to be consistent (take easy chances, be less selfish and that)...he also needs some rest and some time in a physio room to get fixed (back, shoulders...)
I don't get the hatred gets (perfomance based) at the same time i don't buy into the "local lad, social Justice warrior" agenda.
He has the potential to be a great player he needs to be consistent (take easy chances, be less selfish and that)...he also needs some rest and some time in a physio room to get fixed (back, shoulders...)
I don't get the hatred gets (perfomance based) at the same time i don't buy into the "local lad, social Justice warrior" agenda.
Can’t believe this nonsense thread is still not locked when he’s getting enough vile abuse online already.
Surely he has a player performance thread to discuss his ability.
Surely he has a player performance thread to discuss his ability.
Totally agree!
The hate/dislike some posters show for both our players and United as a club is crazy.
Once 17/18 season.
40 nPG+A will probably mean you're one of the favourites for BdO. And I think, no one's saying he is that level yet. Although, I do believe he can become that level. Just needs to focus on getting more untidy goals
There's a reason Ole kept playing Rashford and Bruno even when they looked injured/exhausted. They were the two players who were likely to come up with something to earn us results all season. Hopefully he gets the surgery he needs and comes back fit. Excited to see what he can do when we have a functional right wing helping carry the burden.
Rashford is a product of the United youth system and a remarkable young man that has not forgotten his roots. His fight for the school meals program showed a footballer that has probably done more for young poor kids in the UK than any footballer has ever done.
As a footballer Rashford has clearly been carrying a injury but still here are his stats for Man Utd.
Total games on every level: 285 games
Goals: 93 goals
Assists: 56 assists
How can any idiot claim that this young man is not good enough is pathetic. This young man at the age of 23 has already given a lot and has a quite a bit of time to give us more. Rashford, Greenwood, McTominay from youth teams have been better for United than most of the guy´s bought here for large sums of money over that last years. For me the United way is to produce young gifted players and we are lucky that once again we have a manager that is willing to give them a chance.
As a footballer Rashford has clearly been carrying a injury but still here are his stats for Man Utd.
Total games on every level: 285 games
Goals: 93 goals
Assists: 56 assists
How can any idiot claim that this young man is not good enough is pathetic. This young man at the age of 23 has already given a lot and has a quite a bit of time to give us more. Rashford, Greenwood, McTominay from youth teams have been better for United than most of the guy´s bought here for large sums of money over that last years. For me the United way is to produce young gifted players and we are lucky that once again we have a manager that is willing to give them a chance.
Every time I see this thread title I either hold my head in my hands or just burst out laughing. It’s so fecking ludicrous it’s untrue.
I can’t believe for the life of me that this thread exists and I can’t also believe that it hasn’t been locked yet. Shameful thread created to spew vitriolic comments at a young outstanding academy graduate who’s form has clearly suffered from being overplayed and a shoulder injury.
Rashford’s output has been very good as pointed out by another poster. Yes there are things he will need to improve on but which 23 year old footballer is complete?
So called United fans who can’t wait for a little mistake to jump on the back of Rashford. There’s justified criticism and then there’s this. Take a good look at yourselves.
Rashford’s output has been very good as pointed out by another poster. Yes there are things he will need to improve on but which 23 year old footballer is complete?
So called United fans who can’t wait for a little mistake to jump on the back of Rashford. There’s justified criticism and then there’s this. Take a good look at yourselves.
Isn't Salah of 17/18 season the level we should fight for given we want pl titles?
It's all debatable anyway. We may well spread the goals this year across 5 players and nobody will get those numbers.
I was just answering a separate question what level do I think Rashford can reach.
I was just answering a separate question what level do I think Rashford can reach.
Were you a mod yourself at some point?
Edit: Your addressed that to another poster and I didn't see it before my post
True, but isn't Salah a legit WC player? A goal scoring wide player? And Rashford's numbers are similar to his.
Every top side wants to win the league, but you need to have a side with more number of bigger players - right now, we dont have a striker who can get 30 goals a season. Greenwood is too young to have those expectations from him as well
Lock this farcical trainwreck of a thread.
Some of the posts are quite simply embarrasing.
Some of the posts are quite simply embarrasing.
Feel for OP. Regulars know when this was made and why - a reference to his rather lacklustre, by his standards, second half of the season (injuries, overplaying, etc).
Everybody else is context-less, living in an ever hyper present, attention starved, and probably unable to make decent pasta.
Edit - Should clarify as I'm being quoted a fair bit. Some people come to this forum to make poignant obersvations about football, some come for a whinge and a moan and rant and wail. I'm in the select group who come here to say dumb things that amuse myself and then, once of out every ten tries, amuse others. I'm very keen on Rashford as a player. He's a good egg.
Everybody else is context-less, living in an ever hyper present, attention starved, and probably unable to make decent pasta.
Edit - Should clarify as I'm being quoted a fair bit. Some people come to this forum to make poignant obersvations about football, some come for a whinge and a moan and rant and wail. I'm in the select group who come here to say dumb things that amuse myself and then, once of out every ten tries, amuse others. I'm very keen on Rashford as a player. He's a good egg.
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But surely the OP is also missing the context for Rashford poor form in the 2nd half of the season.
The second sentence actually fits the OP perfectly, outside of the pasta part I wouldn't want to be unfair to the OP's cooking skills.
What do you think happens to them just now?
Well, Rashford himself is expected to be WC very soon. Has been talked about as such already
.Of course it's embarrassing. No need to devalue Mbappe and Morata, especially to credit Rashford, absoutely no point.
However I'm genuinely mystified that anyone could think he's not an incredibly gifted footballer. Yeah fine if you think his forms dipped or if you question whether he'll be world class. But to think he's not good enough for us after what he's done already while getting better is mind boggling to me.
He's absolutely as good as Ole and he thinks they are and obviously a whole lot better than a proportion of our fans think he is.