Sofyan Amrabat | signs for United on loan

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Telsim said:
I remain unconvinced. I just don't see how he changes last night? We need world class in that position.

But I get we don't have the money, and most have already moved, so I suppose it's better than nothing. I don't see what are we going do when Casemiro is out, though?
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Michael Carrick wasnt world class but really effective as a no6. Amrabat is a morrocan michael carrick. Very effective at recycling the ball ala carrick. My hunch is he will come in and displace mount and we will end up with a double pivot of casemiro and amrabat for big games as it will make us much more solid.
 
dinostar77 said:
Michael Carrick wasnt world class but really effective as a no6. Amrabat is a morrocan michael carrick. Very effective at recycling the ball ala carrick. My hunch is he will come in and displace mount and we will end up with a double pivot of casemiro and amrabat for big games as it will make us much more solid.
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Well why don't we get on with signing him
 
croadyman said:
Would help if they saw sense and paid Maguire off,also thought very carefully before spending £55m on Mount over signing a backup DM & DLP
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Why on earth would you pay Harry off? If the £15m demand to leave is true then we are in an awful position and he’s a rat. Keep him as no5 choice for the 2 years he has left and he kills his England career as well. Like it or not our manager made Mount his no1 choice for the summer. Amrabat is a great signing.
 
dinostar77 said:
Michael Carrick wasnt world class but really effective as a no6. Amrabat is a morrocan michael carrick. Very effective at recycling the ball ala carrick. My hunch is he will come in and displace mount and we will end up with a double pivot of casemiro and amrabat for big games as it will make us much more solid.
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we should be playing like that anyway, Bruno isn't an 8.
 
dinostar77 said:
Statistically, Amrabat is genuinely one of the best distance passers in Europe, both in volume and accuracy. He’s adept at sitting deep and spraying passes all over the pitch whilst also providing the defensive reliability required of a deep-lying midfielder.

https://breakingthelines.com/player-analysis/player-analysis-sofyan-amrabat/
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And those stats are based on him playing in a much slower paced league where he gets much more time on the ball..what are the odds that those stats are not replicated in England.
 
Bondi77 said:
And those stats are based on him playing in a much slower paced league where he gets much more time on the ball..what are the odds that those stats are not replicated in England.
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People made similar complaints about martinez and how poor dutch league was and how his lack of height would reduce him to an early flop.
 
dinostar77 said:
People made similar complaints about martinez and how poor dutch league was and how his lack of height would reduce him to an early flop.
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True and while I think he has adapted well in England I think some are going slightly overboard on his performances last season.
This is his second season and I hope he continues to improve and flourish.
 
Bondi77 said:
And those stats are based on him playing in a much slower paced league where he gets much more time on the ball..what are the odds that those stats are not replicated in England.
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So why don't all midfielders in Serie A have those stats?
 
Bondi77 said:
I never said that he wasn't one of the better players in Italy.
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Fair enough. Your criticism is fair, anyway. There aren't many players from Serie A that do great in PL, but then again, PL clubs don't buy players from that league that often in comparison to La Liga, Ligue 1 or Bundesliga.
 
Hurry the feck up. Seems like we are waiting for a tonking to spring into action to sign him the next day.
 
Telsim said:
I remain unconvinced. I just don't see how he changes last night? We need world class in that position.

But I get we don't have the money, and most have already moved, so I suppose it's better than nothing. I don't see what are we going do when Casemiro is out, though?
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Same here. Wolves prevented balls to Casemiro yesterday. And to Bruno. Because they knew, Bruno is the only real x-factor in our team and without Casemiro, ball will roam between our defenders ad infinitum. Switch Mount for Amrabat and keep the rest the same, probably will be the same game.

I hope we will bring somebody in. But our issues are not dependent on having Mount or Amrabat on the pitch. Some are setting the guy up for expectations he will have trouble to succeed.

Wondering why Liverpool aren't back in the race yet. They could offer more than we do, a place in the starting lineup even. They are even more in need of the player some folks in this thread are describing.
 
georgipep said:
Biggest problem with this is the Hojlund/Rashford balance
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I think that's a problem ten Hag needs. We need to have the option of playing Amrabat with Casemiro in a double pivot. Amrabat is technically a very good player and can definitely make a difference in the deeper areas of the pitch. Hojlund can also only improve us because Rashford is not a central focal point but can do a job for us in a emergency situation. And we need multiple options in attacking midfield aswell, because the way the competition is spending vast amounts of money stock piling talent, we need a big squad and plenty of options to stand a chance.

Playing with Bruno and Mount as two high #8s requires the fullbacks to be comfortable coming in-field to help create a balance. But our fullbacks are more comfortable playing out wide rather than coming in-field. And even then, it places way too much pressure on Luke Shaw to take up the responsibility in-field due to the limitations of AWB on the ball. And that makes us more predictable because the opponent can then prepare to stifle our left side. I think if I'm the opposition manager I'd allow AWB and Varane to have the ball and mark the rest of the players.

So after watching the game again to try and make sense of what actually happened. It was clear to see that there was confusion between Mount and Shaw as to who should occupy the space next to Casemiro. So in the confusion both players either stayed wide (Shaw) or in Mount's case he stayed high in a advanced role and the space between the defensive and midfield lines was too wide. And credit to Martinez, he read the situation and started to make attempts to step into the empty space but unfortunately it didn't quite work out and it left us stretched in defensive transition and played right into the hands of the opponent who had numerous ball carriers in transition that were very dangerous. And it almost cost us a red card because of the confusion between the fullback and Mount. So when we lost the ball, Wolves seemed even more dangerous than they should've been due to the issue mentioned above.

It was mentioned by one of the United tier 1 journos about United having 10 players on the list as options for the deeper midfield role. Amrabat was said to be on the list and if it is him then we do need a player of his profile who is comfortable at being the first receiver in midfield. We don't really have that player and if we can add a player like that along with hopefully getting Kobbie Mainoo back, then I think between Casemiro, Mainoo, Eriksen and Amrabat we should be fine with the deeper area of midfield for the current season and it would open up different combinations in a double pivot. A Mainoo - Amrabat, double pivot would also be a option and it would add more strings to our bow.
 
We're not buying anyone else, even after that first performance where its clear were going to get overun all season in midfield we won't buy a player to sort the issue.
 
Bondi77 said:
And those stats are based on him playing in a much slower paced league where he gets much more time on the ball..what are the odds that those stats are not replicated in England.
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Salah scored 19 goals in 41 games for Roma the year before he scored 44 in England for Pool.

there are examples of both sides of the fence.
 
Adnan said:
I think that's a problem ten Hag needs. We need to have the option of playing Amrabat with Casemiro in a double pivot. Amrabat is technically a very good player and can definitely make a difference in the deeper areas of the pitch. Hojlund can also only improve us because Rashford is not a central focal point but can do a job for us in a emergency situation. And we need multiple options in attacking midfield aswell, because the way the competition is spending vast amounts of money stock piling talent, we need a big squad and plenty of options to stand a chance.

Playing with Bruno and Mount as two high #8s requires the fullbacks to be comfortable coming in-field to help create a balance. But our fullbacks are more comfortable playing out wide rather than coming in-field. And even then, it places way too much pressure on Luke Shaw to take up the responsibility in-field due to the limitations of AWB on the ball. And that makes us more predictable because the opponent can then prepare to stifle our left side. I think if I'm the opposition manager I'd allow AWB and Varane to have the ball and mark the rest of the players.

So after watching the game again to try and make sense of what actually happened. It was clear to see that there was confusion between Mount and Shaw as to who should occupy the space next to Casemiro. So in the confusion both players either stayed wide (Shaw) or in Mount's case he stayed high in a advanced role and the space between the defensive and midfield lines was too wide. And credit to Martinez, he read the situation and started to make attempts to step into the empty space but unfortunately it didn't quite work out and it left us stretched in defensive transition and played right into the hands of the opponent who had numerous ball carriers in transition that were very dangerous. And it almost cost us a red card because of the confusion between the fullback and Mount. So when we lost the ball, Wolves seemed even more dangerous than they should've been due to the issue mentioned above.

It was mentioned by one of the United tier 1 journos about United having 10 players on the list as options for the deeper midfield role. Amrabat was said to be on the list and if it is him then we do need a player of his profile who is comfortable at being the first receiver in midfield. We don't really have that player and if we can add a player like that along with hopefully getting Kobbie Mainoo back, then I think between Casemiro, Mainoo, Eriksen and Amrabat we should be fine with the deeper area of midfield for the current season and it would open up different combinations in a double pivot. A Mainoo - Amrabat, double pivot would also be a option and it would add more strings to our bow.
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I will be very interested to see who we target for RB next summer. Tifo I RL analysis of the wolves game said the same thing as you did. As the opposition you allow AWB to have the ball, as he is the least technically accomplished Utd outfield player and least likely to hurt you.

A hakimi/cancelo/kimmich etc as our RB could have a huge transformative effect on our right flank and also help get the best out of antony.

Though RBs who are comfortable coming in field to make up a box midfield, are few and far between.
 
Devil81 said:
We're not buying anyone else, even after that first performance where its clear were going to get overun all season in midfield we won't buy a player to sort the issue.
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I think we will. I doubt he would have allowed Fred to leave if he wasn’t confident of getting a replacement
 
Devil81 said:
We're not buying anyone else, even after that first performance where its clear were going to get overun all season in midfield we won't buy a player to sort the issue.
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We will when we get stuffed which is bound to happen at some point. This has always been the Glazer way, hope the manager can work with what he's given and when it's clear they can't it's panic buy time.
 
This still on? Our holes in midfield against fecking Wolves were bigger than Maguires delusion
 
I thought Mainoo had been promoted and was to be played in a "deeper" role in midfield? Therefore signing a new midfielder would not be needed.
 
Leftback99 said:
I doubt we've got the funds.
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Kovar at £7.9m plus Fred at £12m is £20m, I’m sure we can find the additional £6m to do this deal. Fred wages are removed as well. We’ve sold Elanga, IQbal, T Chong sell on, E Laird,A Teles, C Savage, N Bishop, M Kovar and Fred for about £45m in total with at least £27m of that being academy players so net profit on your yearly accounts and allowing an additional £100m to our FFP transfer Budget.

So far we’ve spent £120m net, we can definitely sign S Amrabat for £25m however I doubt the Glazers will do any other business after that?

ETH will keep Scott Mctominay and he’ll start playing himself into the side as he has the physicality the team currently lacks, plus he’s better as BTB midfield player and Can score goals which the team currently lacks. DVB will be sold or loaned out and I think we’ll keep Hanibal Mejbri as well.
 
If we are unable to bring in another midfielder the Mount signing becomes even more questionable since he doesn’t actually solve any of our pre existing issues we had in that area of the pitch.

The wolves game was atrocious so what’s going to happen when we come up against European elite? And worst of all when we come up against Liverpool at Anfield again.
 
This is starting to feel like one of those Sneijder/Gaitan rumours where theres news everyday yet we don't seem to be interested at all. Hope something happens soon before someone else sign him.
 
0le said:
I thought Mainoo had been promoted and was to be played in a "deeper" role in midfield? Therefore signing a new midfielder would not be needed.
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Mainoo isn't the "deeper" role, he might move there in the future but he will play alongside someone like Casemiro.

There was a report that he was told to study how Eriksen and Bruno play, neither of which are really playing "deeper".
 
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