Sofyan Amrabat | signs for United on loan

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Ekeke said:
Nobody said it was. Learn to read
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Sorry didn’t quite catch that last sentence have not learnt to read yet.

Anyhow he didn’t have a great game and if his role today was to “make sure the team carry out the tactics as you said” again thats not his role it would only have been a part of it.
His part on the pitch as a footballer he didn’t really excel at today. Hes a good player but you are doing him a disservice by overrating his performance.
 
Cassidy said:
Sorry didn’t quite catch that last sentence have not learnt to read yet.

Anyhow he didn’t have a great game and if his role today was to “make sure the team carry out the tactics as you said” again thats not his role it would only have been a part of it.
His part on the pitch as a footballer he didn’t really excel at today. Hes a good player but you are doing him a disservice by overrating his performance.
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Nowhere did I say he played particularly well.

I said he still seemed closer to a £100 million player than Ambrabat who is a DM who was outfought multiple times by Paqueta, due to his performance plus the fact that he's the captain of a team that won a europa league competition. West Ham's tactics of sitting deep and encouraging Fiorentina to come forward with the ball - which they did, and they looked decent doing it moving it about, West Ham were resilliant defensively aided by Rice and Soucek sitting and releasing the ball to the likes of Paqueta to try and make those counter attacking passes. And they got it exactly right with the goal at the end. Plenty of West Ham players played their role well, including Rice whether you thought he was good or not, but Paqueta and Bowen needed to play their role the best in order to win the match and they did great.

Likewise Amrabat played some long passes up from deep towards front players, one of which was a diagonal where the right sided player won the ball in the air and Fiorentina got their goal from there. But he also got done multiple times defensively, ever bothered and outplayed by Paqueta and Fiorentina's neat decent attacking play up until the box where West Ham would repel it was team wide good general play. It wasnt Amrabat doing most of it, he was just one part of it. Neither were the most impressive player on the pitch.
 
Ekeke said:
Nowhere did I say he played particularly well.

I said he still seemed closer to a £100 million player than Ambrabat who is a DM who was outfought multiple times by Paqueta, due to his performance plus the fact that he's the captain of a team that won a europa league competition. West Ham's tactics of sitting deep and encouraging Fiorentina to come forward with the ball - which they did, and they looked decent doing it moving it about, West Ham were resilliant defensively aided by Rice and Soucek sitting and releasing the ball to the likes of Paqueta to try and make those counter attacking passes. And they got it exactly right with the goal at the end. Plenty of West Ham players played their role well, including Rice whether you thought he was good or not, but Paqueta and Bowen needed to play their role the best in order to win the match and they did great.
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Amrabat had a better game, most people who watched agreed with that.
That doesn’t make him better but opinions I guess
 
Thought he was excellent last night.

Has more to his game than Rice and would be far cheaper.
 
A decidedly meh for me. Energized bunny with decent technique but pretty poor awareness, probably better as a 8 than a 6 back up for Casemiro.
 
Looks like a defensive liability to me.
Rash and clumsy, giving away a lot of free kicks.
 
mufc_sd said:
Amrabat is a very adequate replacement for Rice looking at this stats.
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He has atrocious defensive stats though for someone who's supposedly a DM. Compare him with Case, Caicedo and Rice and you see a picture of someone who's more of a playmaker but without a solid defensive side to his game.

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Maybe as a box-to-box he'd be better? But then he doesn't really offer much on the attacking 3rd either. Compare him with our current 8s, Fred and Eriksen.

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Fred is an unreliable passer but much more effective in both defending and popping up with goal or assists. Eriksen is clearly a better passer than both and more of an AM based on his final 3rd contribution. Yet Amrabat still doesn't deliver much more in terms of defensive work rate than Eriksen, even though he offers nothing on the final 3rd. He seemingly just floats around in midfield picking passes, but without defending or popping up with contributions in the final 3rd enough.

I think Amrabat would get found out in the EPL and become a bit of a passenger.
 
MadMike said:
He has atrocious defensive stats though for someone who's supposedly a DM. Compare him with Case, Caicedo and Rice and you see a picture of someone who's more of a playmaker but without a solid defensive side to his game.

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Maybe as a box-to-box he'd be better? But then he doesn't really offer much on the attacking 3rd either. Compare him with our current 8s, Fred and Eriksen.

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Fred is an unreliable passer but much more effective in both defending and popping up with goal or assists. Eriksen is clearly a better passer than both and more of an AM based on his final 3rd contribution. Yet Amrabat still doesn't deliver much more in terms of defensive work rate than Eriksen, even though he offers nothing on the final 3rd. He seemingly just floats around in midfield picking passes, but without defending or popping up with contributions in the final 3rd enough.

I think Amrabat would get found out in the EPL and become a bit of a passenger.
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You've about summed it up. He plays from deep playing passes. He doesnt run with the ball, or get forward into the box and isnt a goal threat. He just wants to do like with Fiorentina's goal, pick the ball up from the CBs on the half way line and launch it for someone to compete with in the air on a diagonal. Or play the occasional forward pass between the lines like Fred will also occasionally do. Thats his entire game.

But despite being deep, he isnt a ball winner. He'll be around the right position deep and his teammates will be the ones better at ball winning. He's hit and miss with it. And as I mentioned earlier in the thread, Paqueta had success multiple times competing for the ball against him and he's an attacker. Not a good sign from a midfielder in a deep position.
 
Ekeke said:
You've about summed it up. He plays from deep playing passes. He doesnt run with the ball, or get forward into the box and isnt a goal threat. He just wants to do like with Fiorentina's goal, pick the ball up from the CBs on the half way line and launch it for someone to compete with in the air on a diagonal. Or play the occasional forward pass between the lines like Fred will also occasionally do. Thats his entire game.

But despite being deep, he isnt a ball winner. He'll be around the right position deep and his teammates will be the ones better at ball winning. He's hit and miss with it. And as I mentioned earlier in the thread, Paqueta had success multiple times competing for the ball against him and he's an attacker. Not a good sign from a midfielder in a deep position.
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I think you might be a bit harsh on a couple of things. You say he doesn't run with the ball but he has more progressive carries than anyone on that list bar Rice and more than 2/3s of midfilders. He also has very high pass success rate for someone who supposedly just hits a high ball for people to compete in the air. Those tend to have very low success rate. You don't get 88% just pinging hopeful balls.

But we agree on the fact that he doesn't work hard enough for a deep midfielder. And he's either bad when around the box, or he rarely gets up that high. He's clearly more comfortable hovering around midfield and picking passes or exploiting space but without really pressing or defending enough, while also being a non-entity in attack. That's already a no-no for modern times even if your passing is Pirloesque.
 
MadMike said:
I think you might be a bit harsh on a couple of things. You say he doesn't run with the ball but he has more progressive carries than anyone on that list bar Rice and more than 2/3s of midfilders. He also has very high pass success rate for someone who supposedly just hits a high ball for people to compete in the air. Those tend to have very low success rate. You don't get 88% just pinging hopeful balls.

But we agree on the fact that he doesn't work hard enough for a deep midfielder. And he's either bad when around the box, or he rarely gets up that high. He's clearly more comfortable hovering around midfield and picking passes or exploiting space but without really pressing or defending enough, while also being a non-entity in attack. That's already a no-no for modern times even if your passing is Pirloesque.
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Progressive carries just means you picked the ball up and ran forward. It doesnt mean you ran forward into pressure, or took players on. He picks the ball up on the half way line where theres no pressure on him, carries it 10 yards forward before opponents start to get ready to close him down and then plays a long ball. Its not the same as a player progressing through traffic or taking players on. Thats what I meant. He's been compared to Rice, and thats something that Rice is good at. He will actively run at players. Amrabat is all about picking the pass
 
Ekeke said:
Progressive carries just means you picked the ball up and ran forward. It doesnt mean you ran forward into pressure, or took players on. He picks the ball up on the half way line where theres no pressure on him, carries it 10 yards forward before opponents start to get ready to close him down and then plays a long ball. Its not the same as a player progressing through traffic or taking players on. Thats what I meant. He's been compared to Rice, and thats something that Rice is good at. He will actively run at players. Amrabat is all about picking the pass
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This may be not be wrong, but it sounds entirely like something you just made up. Do you watch Fiorentina every week or is this based on one game against West Ham?
 
zaafi said:
This may be not be wrong, but it sounds entirely like something you just made up. Do you watch Fiorentina every week or is this based on one game against West Ham?
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Not every week now, but I used to watch them weekly 2 seasons ago. I used to keep up with Serie A by watching Fiorentina's matches. He's obviously not exactly the same as back then but yes, the west ham game and the occasional other are the only ones I see now. And the world cup
 
Seen him a few times and whilst he’s a good passer, he doesn’t always seem that mobile. I think a faster paced league will catch him out
 
Ekeke said:
Not every week now, but I used to watch them weekly 2 seasons ago. I used to keep up with Serie A by watching Fiorentina's matches. He's obviously not exactly the same as back then but yes, the west ham game and the occasional other are the only ones I see now. And the world cup
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I see. To be honest, I don't even want him. I only saw him during the World Cup, and he was really impressive there, but obviously not an ideal tournament to decide whether a player is good enough for us or not, as we've seen countless times previously.

His defensive stats are also shockingly bad for a CDM.
 
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