Sofyan Amrabat | 2023/24 Performances

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So taking yesterday's performance in isolation he had some heavy/loose touches which led to losing the ball. He was a bit unlucky to be hooked at half time because it could have just as easily have been Fletcher, but with Fletcher's recent goalscoring you can also see why ETH wouldnt want to take him off in case we still need a goal in the last 10 mins and he can be among the players we throw forward hoping for some luck.

On the ball he was dissappointing. The CBs would have the ball and he'd be moving about in front of them, marked by opponents and the CBs would have to play their own way out. He did get on the ball occasionally in the first half and was okay in one or two moves. Just keeping the ball moving.

Eriksen came on and his first touch stuck like glue and he immediately knew how to quickly change the tempo and get our front players the ball in dangerous areas with one or two quick touches. It was night and day from what McTom and Amrabat were able to do in the first half.
Who's Fletcher?
 
He and Jorghino are cut from the same cloth. Just two assists and 3.86 expected in 117 Serie A matches. He’s there to receive the ball, give it to a more talented player and make himself available again for a safe pass. He’s as limited as his FBref scouting report suggested, and very poor proactively defensively.

I can see how he might be useful, but he’s one of the weaker members of the squad and someone we should otherwise be looking to upgrade if he hadn’t just arrived.

Quite possibly, but you have a guy who is not great at breaking lines with passes and you play him in a shape that requires him to have to do it to make it work. It is just strange choices by the coaching team.

Ten Hag has given him some tough jobs so far.
 
So taking yesterday's performance in isolation he had some heavy/loose touches which led to losing the ball. He was a bit unlucky to be hooked at half time because it could have just as easily have been Fletcher, but with Fletcher's recent goalscoring you can also see why ETH wouldnt want to take him off in case we still need a goal in the last 10 mins and he can be among the players we throw forward hoping for some luck.

On the ball he was dissappointing. The CBs would have the ball and he'd be moving about in front of them, marked by opponents and the CBs would have to play their own way out. He did get on the ball occasionally in the first half and was okay in one or two moves. Just keeping the ball moving.

Eriksen came on and his first touch stuck like glue and he immediately knew how to quickly change the tempo and get our front players the ball in dangerous areas with one or two quick touches. It was night and day from what McTom and Amrabat were able to do in the first half.

To be fair Eriksen switched with Bruno and fletcher played Amrabats role . I think people are not getting that part correct. Most say it like Eriksen came in and played Amrabats role . Bruno is the one who failed in what Eriksen did when he came on ,it didn't help that fletcher is not a 10 in the 1st half.
 
We need a midfielder who can be a backbone of our team.

And this guy is not the one.
 
To be fair Eriksen switched with Bruno and fletcher played Amrabats role . I think people are not getting that part correct. Most say it like Eriksen came in and played Amrabats role . Bruno is the one who failed in what Eriksen did when he came on ,it didn't help that fletcher is not a 10 in the 1st half.

They both played in CM which Fletcher and Amrabat had done in the first half. Bruno was on the pitch the whole time
 
We need a midfielder who can be a backbone of our team.

And this guy is not the one.

I think he will, in time. Only had a handful of games and all amidst this disrupted, out-of-form team. Half of them out of his actual position. There are signs he has the right qualities, but he clearly doesn't have confidence in his role in the formation yet, finds himself out of position too much.

Whatever you expect to happen, it's much too soon to draw any firm conclusions.
 
The only reason we didn't buy him was down to ffp rules. We have agreed to take him on loan then buy him and people need to accept this.

He is our player now and will be next season
 
In the camp that he played alright and it's impossible for any player in that position to succeed when Erik stubbornly plays his two high central midfield.
 
We have agreed to take him on loan then buy him and people need to accept this.

He is our player now and will be next season

I really struggle to!

EtHs very own Donny. Such a stupid signing from ten Hag. Insisting on a player like that almost makes me want him out. There is now possible way he is good enough. Barely for the PL. Obviously not for Man Utd.
 
There is an 'option to buy' for about £21m without mention of any obligations. If Ten Hag decides to waste that money on an already limited budget on him then god help us.
 
Yeah pretty much: clue is there really. He’s 27 and still at Fiorentina. I know footballers can bloom late but certainly not this late. Usually quality players in Italy are snapped up by juve, inter or ac Milan. By hook or by crook and by that I mean by some dodgy loan deal or some dodgy transfer.
Think a few got carried away after that palace cup game but in truth he’s extremely average. He’s a player you bring on with 20-25 mins left of a game and you want someone to put themselves about.
But this is pretty much as expected. I understand some people will get excited with new joiners no matter what, but the majority on the Cafe always considered him a squad player that can cover for some midfield positions and maybe give us another dimension, but he wasn't going to revolutionise us. Definitely not if we're playing him alone in midfield.
He's doing his job alright I think.
 
Of all our squad issues, I just don't see why Amrabat is getting a lot of hate. He has been steady. Nothing amazing but with right players around him he could be very useful addition for us. You can't have a team full of Bruno's (even the good version) you need a functional midfield.
 
Of all our squad issues, I just don't see why Amrabat is getting a lot of hate. He has been steady. Nothing amazing but with right players around him he could be very useful addition for us. You can't have a team full of Bruno's (even the good version) you need a functional midfield.

He adds to our managers lack of recruitment accruement which is going to be a problem for us to shift when he finally leaves.
 
He is really limited, which explains why no one bought him despite the amazing world cup performances.

I would say Conor Gallagher offers more.

Don't think he deserved to be subbed at half time. Made no sense bringing off your number 6 and putting McTominay there.
We were lacking any real creativity, the addition of Eriksen immediately cured that.
 
He is just not good enough. I would prefer Fred or Sabitzer over Amrabat, and I see it as a "typical" mistake - a player has a fantastic world cup and a big club wants him after that.
 
He is just not good enough. I would prefer Fred or Sabitzer over Amrabat, and I see it as a "typical" mistake - a player has a fantastic world cup and a big club wants him after that.
From a moneyball perspective, buying a player on the back of strong performances in an international tournament is one of the worst things a club can do.
 
surprised to see so many write off Amrabat....

He's basically played as a one man midfield in our last 2 games between defence and a glut of pressing attackers. No player can do what's being asked of him in my view.

Stick Casemiro/Ericksen next to him this weekend and we will see his worth
 
What was Eriksen then?
McTominay dropped deeper in the second half and actually played as a midfielder instead of whatever he was doing in the first half where he was pushing extremely high (like he did against Sheffield United as well). So we went from Amrabat by himself to having both McTominay and Eriksen there. Scott's not even good in that role (or any role for that matter) but having an extra person at least changed the dynamics a bit and made it easier for his partner.
 
He is just not good enough. I would prefer Fred or Sabitzer over Amrabat, and I see it as a "typical" mistake - a player has a fantastic world cup and a big club wants him after that.
I'd say he's shown a lot more in the deeper role than Sabitzer did for us. The only time the latter looked even close to good enough was when we played him as a #10.

So far Fred was certainly better, but it's still early days and I'm not going to judge Amrabat during a time that our entire midfield set-up is unbalanced.
 
He’s not as good as Fred. It’s as simple as that. Wouldn’t get in the City, Arsenal, Spurs, Pool or Chelsea teams so why should he be in ours? Our standards are so low
 
McTominay dropped deeper in the second half and actually played as a midfielder instead of whatever he was doing in the first half where he was pushing extremely high (like he did against Sheffield United as well). So we went from Amrabat by himself to having both McTominay and Eriksen there. Scott's not even good in that role (or any role for that matter) but having an extra person at least changed the dynamics a bit and made it easier for his partner.

They were both playing CM first half it was just typical McTominay being hardly on the ball and having any influence. He did the same in the 2nd half. It was all Eriksen
 
McTominay dropped deeper in the second half and actually played as a midfielder instead of whatever he was doing in the first half where he was pushing extremely high (like he did against Sheffield United as well). So we went from Amrabat by himself to having both McTominay and Eriksen there. Scott's not even good in that role (or any role for that matter) but having an extra person at least changed the dynamics a bit and it easier for his partner.

I think, as much as people may not like to hear it, aerial ability would have factored into that change, Amrabat is very weak in the air, and will often choose not to contest knowing that. Would have thought that having Maguire and Varane, easily our 2 best aerially would have been enough insurance for Ten Hag, but possibly not. Makes me wonder if Lisandro and Amrabat are playable together if there is no Cas to screen some of the long balls.
 
They were both playing CM first half it was just typical McTominay being hardly on the ball and having any influence. He did the same in the 2nd half. It was all Eriksen
In the first half McTominay was level, if not ahead of, Bruno most of the time. To all intents and purposes it was a 4141 with a significant gap between Amrabat in the deeper role and everyone ahead of him. In the second half Scott was the deepest midfielder taking over from Amrabat, with Eriksen playing slightly ahead of him but nowhere near as much as Scott had been in the first half. So basically the 4231 that has been our main formation for many years. Scott's position changed significantly between the two halves.
 
when all are fit, I wouldn't mind seeing a three of Amrabat, Casemiro and Mount being given a go. Probably won't happen though, more likely be Amrabat, Casemiro and Bruno. I'm not for scapegoating Bruno, but I think a break might recharge his batteries.
 
I can't ask Erik but I can ask the CAF. Why did the CAF tell us that we're signing a world-class player while the fans of his ex-teams kept telling us that he's a mediocre player?
 
I can't ask Erik but I can ask the CAF. Why did the CAF tell us that we're signing a world-class player while the fans of his ex-teams kept telling us that he's a mediocre player?

Because all the fans of ex-teams opinions on here came from Reddit. Which is consistently fecking clueless about all things football.
 
He looks a good addition on loan. For a permanent signing we need more class and mobility.
 
While we keep playing with only 1 deep CDM and with 2 AMs, we'll keep wondering why the CDM is nowhere near good enough. It can be Amrabat, Casemiro or Jesus H Christ playing in CDM and it will make no difference.

I hope Amrabat and Eriksen both start against City with only Bruno given free role to attack.
 
I can't ask Erik but I can ask the CAF. Why did the CAF tell us that we're signing a world-class player while the fans of his ex-teams kept telling us that he's a mediocre player?
In our (Caf) defence, it is classic fan stuff everywhere. Nearly every new player is a world class (or at least "great signing"). In first month. After that..........reality check comes.
 
He’s not as good as Fred. It’s as simple as that. Wouldn’t get in the City, Arsenal, Spurs, Pool or Chelsea teams so why should he be in ours? Our standards are so low
Was thinking the same. Forget top teams, if he was so good, the likes of Brighton, Everton or West Ham would've snapped him up at that price.
 
I can't ask Erik but I can ask the CAF. Why did the CAF tell us that we're signing a world-class player while the fans of his ex-teams kept telling us that he's a mediocre player?
How many people said that he was a world-class player?

I would say that most of the people in favour of his signing thought he'd be better than he has been so far and was a type of midfielder that we didn't have in the squad, and would therefore go on to be a good part of the midfield group but not necessarily first choice in the long-term. Considering he's only played a few matches in midfield for us and they've predominately been when the midfield has had a terrible balance, there's still a fair chance that that will be the case.
 
been a tough start, he's been injured, played out of position and I don't think he's fully match fit yet. I don't think he had a full preseason due to the transfer spec around him, plus he hasn't played in a settled midfield yet. I think once Casemiro regains some kind of form, I think them 2 together could be effective, or as effective as we can get with what we have. Those 2 could keep it tight whilst one of Eriksen, Bruno or Mount plays the creative role.
 
I can't ask Erik but I can ask the CAF. Why did the CAF tell us that we're signing a world-class player while the fans of his ex-teams kept telling us that he's a mediocre player?

They didn't. If you're referring to the Liverpool-biased website that referenced the reddit post that had three fans saying he was mediocre, they're about as clueless as they come.

And no one said he was world class.
 
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