Sofyan Amrabat | 2023/24 Performances

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Now I also realise that 2 games is too early to judge, but so far the prognosis isn't that great, and as I've also stated, there is a reason why Fiorentina were willing to let him out on loan. Peronally on these two games, we should have kept Sabitzer
Sabitzer was utterly pointless. The only time he looked even remotely decent was when we played him as #10, a position we absolutely don't need more cover in at all. Otherwise he was basically a McTominay clone with the way he disappeared from matches and barely got involved. Amrabat's first match was better than any match Sabitzer had for us, and while there's a chance he'll go on to be worse I would be extremely disappointed.
 
For the price I believe he is a very good signing.

The issue is that he's coming in to a very unbalanced and dysfunctional side and being asked to play out of position (same for Mount).

Only a matter of time before we get stats about him saying our win % with him is the lowest in X amount of years, he's zero key passes, zero goals, zero assists etc. We make it too easy to paint pictures because of how bad we are in general.
 
Kind of feel we should just play him and Case with Bruno. Forget the 8 experiment until at least the injuries return. It’s not ideal but there’s a real sense that if we lose a couple more games the dressing room might just give up on him. Pathetic as that is from the players.
 
Currently ranked as 11th in Europe by the UEFA co-efficient, about equal to the Scottish Premier or League Div 1.
Which says more about why we took him on loan than purchased.
Also take into account that teams tend not to loan out their top players.
83 appearances in three seasons, not exactly a first on the sheet for Fiorentina either.
Dutch league is ranked 5th, better than French en Portugal League. I know him feom Italy and Morocco and he is very good.
Currently ranked as 11th in Europe by the UEFA co-efficient, about equal to the Scottish Premier or League Div 1.
Which says more about why we took him on loan than purchased.
Also take into account that teams tend not to loan out their top players.
83 appearances in three seasons, not exactly a first on the sheet for Fiorentina either.
Dutch league is ranked 5th, better than French en Portugese league. Give him somethime he hasnt played a lot since last season.
 
You must be looking at a different player.
He's played all his senior football in Europe, in the Dutch League, Belgium and Serie A.
He's Dutch by birth, but his parents were of Moroccan descent.
So logically not good enough to play for the Dutch. (he made 4 appearance at u15 level, then started playing for Morocco U17)
What's telling is, Verona bought him in the summer window of 2019, and promptly sold him in the winter window the following January.

Running around like a headless chicken does not make someone a "good" footballer
As I said in a previous post, he got caught in possession a few times, and gave away a silly free kick that led to the goal.
Ok he's not a LB, and we know Rashford doesn't have a defensive bone in his body and would leave anyone exposed, because of that he should in his brain be telling himself to stay where he is told to play.
This trying to cover every blade of grass, destroys the shape of the team, he wont get away with it against the likes of City and Liverpool.
There was also a clip of him picked up on MOTD on the ground, flicking the ball way from a player with his hand!

Now I also realise that 2 games is too early to judge, but so far the prognosis isn't that great, and as I've also stated, there is a reason why Fiorentina were willing to let him out on loan. Peronally on these two games, we should have kept Sabitzer

The likes of Koulibaly and Aubameyang represented France at the younger age groups then played for african nations before their break through years. As for the running like headless a chicken comment his heat map for Manchester United and for Fiorentina are completely different which obviously means its the managers instructions. Lastly are we going to judge a midfielder on his performances at lb?

https://photos.app.goo.gl/PqYJcxyk6TbJGeju7
 
The likes of Koulibaly and Aubameyang represented France at the younger age groups then played for african nations before their break through years. As for the running like headless a chicken comment his heat map for Manchester United and for Fiorentina are completely different which obviously means its the managers instructions. Lastly are we going to judge a midfielder on his performances at lb?

https://photos.app.goo.gl/PqYJcxyk6TbJGeju7
That's not the heatmap that I, and I dare say the manager wants from a LB!
You are trying to tell me that EtH's instructions to him was "run over every blade of grass" C'mon you cannot be daft enough to think that ?
When you have a player doing that, it throws the rest of the team out of balance.
It sparks of a player desperately trying to impress
 
So after first game he was amazing and after second he is shite, just shows how lots of people on here just work in extremes without any middle ground. :wenger:

Also, both games played out of position.
 
I'm not convinced he's going to be all that great but assessing him on one game where he played a position he's completely unfamiliar with seems harsh.
 
That's not the heatmap that I, and I dare say the manager wants from a LB!
You are trying to tell me that EtH's instructions to him was "run over every blade of grass" C'mon you cannot be daft enough to think that ?
When you have a player doing that, it throws the rest of the team out of balance.
It sparks of a player desperately trying to impress

So we just ignore that fact that he wasn't in the habit of covering the entire pitch at his previous club?
 
He’s not good enough based on what exactly? He was sublime at the world cup against the very best and no I watched every Morocco match - not just the Mbappe tackle.

His first touch is great, he runs more than anyone, his long passing is perfect and he is calm under pressure. He had an average game at LB. He was fouled a few times and got nothing from the ref.

Doesn’t surprise me that some people don’t think controlling the ball and dictating play is important. Over the last few years we have seen such chaotic football from our midfielders that the mere idea that someone is slow on the ball, and looks for the right option seems new to many.
 
I'm pretty sure the heatmap is a joke, guys.
 
I'm not convinced he's going to be all that great but assessing him on one game where he played a position he's completely unfamiliar with seems harsh.

A bit. I'm all for rating him on his next start in central midfield. I certainly hope he does better and as a Manchester United fan my ideal outcome is obviously that he is an amazing central midfielder for us.

However its completely fair to say that when we had the ball he spent most of the game in a central midfield role. He absolutely spent less time in a left back position when we had the ball. And so we saw what he wanted to do with the ball when he went to those areas. At times he had a poor touch, or tried to play a pass from central midfield towards our front players and lost the ball up the pitch. At times he spread the ball with a few long passes out to the right, and then a few other times he overhit them. He's not suddenly going to be a different midfielder because he starts CM and then has to go to leftback to cover our leftback, rather than the other way around. We also saw him have to make challenges and try to win the ball, something he will have to do in central midfield. And we saw some of the limitations he has with that, trying to get his hands on people and leverage his strength to do the work but a clever opponent playing for freekicks knowing he's making physical contact without taking the ball.

He had loads of time in the middle and did loads of the things he will do playing as CM. The only real part that he likely wont be doing when he plays as a central midfielder for us, unless he wanted to, is making an overlapping run down the left to cross the ball with his left foot. And he didnt do any of that when playing at leftback so he's probably not going to be doing that from central midfield.
 
He's gonna have to play midfield against Citeh. No way he can play LB with a free role, he will get absolutely torched.
 
Let's rate this guy when he plays in his actual position and is match fit. He's had no preseason. I'd imagine the thought process is he will play as the 6 and will push Casemiro in a more attacking role, as watching Casemiro try to get back when an attack breaks down is painful. The pace of the game in the 2nd Palace game caught Amrabat out a bit, as expected. I think he can be a good addition once settled.
 
Well, he said that he will play goalkeeper if needed, but for some reason he thought it is alright to do so while being an outfield player. He should have been sent of in the last game. Hope the coaching staff gave him a proper talking-to.

That being said, although I still think that league is too fast for his taste, it is early days to judge his performances. Needs games in midfield first.

Also, a lot of people say that we have bought him just loaned him for an year first, which is not true. We have a non-mandatory option to buy.
 
I hope to see Amrabat beside Casemiro in the midfield tonight. Lindelof can just as well play fullback. In fact I rather see Lindelof as fullback then central defender.
 
It’s not fair on him. Need to end this silly experiment. Dalot on the left, Lindelof right and Maguire at CB.
 
So......

Not a LB then.

You can see his qualities as a footballer but understandably struggling massively with the positional discipline, playing in a fragile back line. I think there is enough there to suggest he a be a good box to box midfielder for us.
 
He did well for the first hour in a hard working, frantic way, then made a few big errors.

Drop Cas, try him in midfield.
 
There were times and periods where he looked completely fine and comfortable playing leftback for us tonight. But then he was suddenly making mistakes at the back. The Gala 2nd he was involved pulled out of position which had a chain reaction needing his defenders to cover him and they failed. It was a normal thing to happen to a fullback so is something that can happen with our actual fullbacks.

However, the final goal is from a hopeful long ball forward that wasnt on and then playing the player onside. That one is all him
 
Lindelöf at left back and Maguire or Evans at CB and we're not losing the last two matches.
 
He doesnt know how to play LB, thats for sure. That offside-line was terrible

The offside wasn't his fault in terms of positioning. Was humanly impossible for him to get in line with the other defenders there.

The problem was his choice of pass. Just smacking it long.
 
He shouldn’t be playing at LB, can’t be picked there again. Has done his best but it’s just not working. Only just back from injury as well so no surprise he faded.
 
Made a mistake for the third goal.

But at least he is brave on the ball, and doesn't hide from the ball, like Mason Mount always does.
 
He shouldn’t be playing at LB, can’t be picked there again. Has done his best but it’s just not working. Only just back from injury as well so no surprise he faded.

With three (!) LB options out and Dalot being forced to play at RB because the RB is also out, who would you play LB?
 
He’s a proper 50p head and can’t take a throw in. He’s no LB but what can you do, atleast he’s giving it a go unlike some others.
 
The offside wasn't his fault in terms of positioning. Was humanly impossible for him to get in line with the other defenders there.

The problem was his choice of pass. Just smacking it long.

Still that pass was just headed away aimlessly by a central defender and turns into an assist. I worry more about how that can happen than about the choice of pass. That header should never become an assist.
 
Lindelöf at left back and Maguire or Evans at CB and we're not losing the last two matches.
Lindelof isn't a good defender and he's slow too. We have 3 injured leftbacks, one out on loan, and another potential lb that has to play rb because our rb is injured.
 
With three (!) LB options out and Dalot being forced to play at RB because the RB is also out, who would you play LB?
He may have fared better if he had stuck to the LH side of the pitch, all of the goals came from his side when he went missing on a midfield crusade
 
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