Yeah, when they're not being so bloody conservative and push up a little higher, it works well. The issue with the very low block and the way the team sets up by default is that it isolates the front 3 - Foden becomes totally useless, Kane is barely found, and while Sterling makes good runs, his finishing is woeful so you can't really rely on him.Can't deny the squad are still playing for him.
433 is a must though, and a more attacking mindset.
There was a spell towards the end of the first half, plus of course after Mount and Saka came on, which showed how England really can play.
Which is why Rashford has to play in this strategy as England's version of Son making runs.Yeah, when they're not being so bloody conservative and push up a little higher, it works well. The issue with the very low block and the way the team sets up by default is that it isolates the front 3 - Foden becomes totally useless, Kane is barely found, and while Sterling makes good runs, his finishing is woeful so you can't really rely on him.
There are the tools to do something so much better within this squad.
Which is why Rashford has to play in this strategy as England's version of Son making runs.
Which is why Rashford has to play in this strategy as England's version of Son making runs.
I think both Rashford and Saka should be starting on the wings, with Foden or Mount behind Kane and in front of Rice and Bellingham (and no more back 5, please). No slight on Sterling but he's just not effective enough in my mind, and the system would just work better this way.This is why Southgate's selections dont make sense to me. If you want to play a low block, why not play with pace on the counter? playing with Kane Sterling and Foden is not helpful.
Sterling in recent months likes to come get the ball and drive, Kane likes to drop in, Foden likes to come infield.
England need a player like Rashford to run in behind when Kane or Bellingham get the ball.
I agree, to be fair Rashford was injured for this. Needs to use players who want to stretch play.This is why Southgate's selections dont make sense to me. If you want to play a low block, why not play with pace on the counter? playing with Kane Sterling and Foden is not helpful.
Sterling in recent months likes to come get the ball and drive, Kane likes to drop in, Foden likes to come infield.
England need a player like Rashford to run in behind when Kane or Bellingham get the ball.
I agree, to be fair Rashford was injured for this. Needs to use players who want to stretch play.
Clearly they did though, otherwise they wouldn't have gone on to thump Argentina in the quarters and push that Spain side to the limit in the semi-final, nor would they have gone on to win the World Cup four years later.How a German side packed with under 21 heroes bested your golden generation when they had zero business doing so.
Can’t believe this overhyped prick was linked in the past with the United job. feck right off with that.
Though I do suspect that Southgate might actually be self-aware enough to realise how fecking jammy he's been and how quickly he'd get found out managing a big club (or indeed, any club).
So you don’t rate him for the United job, but what makes him a prick? Are things ok? You seem to be very angry at somebody for literally no reason.Can’t believe this overhyped prick was linked in the past with the United job. feck right off with that.
LB has trippier written all over it because southgateYeah regardless of Rashford injury, we have seen that Southgate knows his team. There are only 2/3 positions up for grabs at the moment.
RW is between Foden/ Saka/ Mount
LB between Shaw and Chilwell
The rest I think we can almost pick the starting line up for the first game of the WC.
So you don’t rate him for the United job, but what makes him a prick? Are things ok? You seem to be very angry at somebody for literally no reason.
I also think he only plays pals, which in this case seem to be similarly white players. Over looking the likes of Trent, Sancho and in the past Smalling and Greenwood. Yes I know he plays some black players like Sterling. But intentional or not, this is institutionalised racism. The kind of thing you see in the workplace all the time. Quite cnutish of him.So you don’t rate him for the United job, but what makes him a prick? Are things ok? You seem to be very angry at somebody for literally no reason.
I also think he only plays pals, which in this case seem to be similarly white players. Over looking the likes of Trent, Sancho and in the past Smalling and Greenwood. Yes I know he plays some black players like Sterling. But intentional or not, this is institutionalised racism. The kind of thing you see in the workplace all the time. Quite cnutish of him.
I don't think Southgate is a particularly big fan of or has any idea what to do with Foden beyond knowing he has to play him to escape the media grief for not playing him. I reckon he was hoping Lingard would go to Forest and get a few goals so he can recall him.Yeah regardless of Rashford injury, we have seen that Southgate knows his team. There are only 2/3 positions up for grabs at the moment.
RW is between Foden/ Saka/ Mount
LB between Shaw and Chilwell
The rest I think we can almost pick the starting line up for the first game of the WC.
I don't think Southgate is a particularly big fan of or has any idea what to do with Foden beyond knowing he has to play him to escape the media grief for not playing him. I reckon he was hoping Lingard would go to Forest and get a few goals so he can recall him.
This is why Southgate's selections dont make sense to me. If you want to play a low block, why not play with pace on the counter? playing with Kane Sterling and Foden is not helpful.
Sterling in recent months likes to come get the ball and drive, Kane likes to drop in, Foden likes to come infield.
England need a player like Rashford to run in behind when Kane or Bellingham get the ball.
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Although I believe there could be times where a back three can be useful, for me it is too defensive, especially when playing a defensive midfielder in Rice, and a deeper playmaker in Bellingham/Phillips.
Absolutely. When all our forward players come towards the ball, it's so easy for opposing defenders to squash the space, and make it difficult for us to play, the ball invariably going all the way back to the defence. I've always advocated playing a proper striker up front, as well as Kane instead of three at the back.
Pace is a must in this England team, you need to put opponents under some form of pressure, pace is one such weapon.
A German as England manager?If we went to the World Cup with Touchel we would do so much better.
The comparisons stem from the notion that both are vastly under-qualified for their respective jobs based on achieving the square root of nothing in their managerial careers, as well as not having the managerial nous to manage a talented group of players. Managing Molde and Middlesbrough are very different prospects compared to managing United and England.Keep seeing these Ole - Southgate comparisons but they mostly seem to ignore the fact that England are far from being the United of international football. England doesn't have a history of major success. They've won one major tournament, at home, in their entire history. Thanks largely to a massively disputed goal. I just don't understand where the expectations come from. In that context, Southgate has done as well as could be expected.
What did Guardiola, Nagelsmann or Potter achieve before landing their big jobs? Seems like a very old fashioned way of thinking.The comparisons stem from the notion that both are vastly under-qualified for their respective jobs based on achieving the square root of nothing in their managerial careers, as well as not having the managerial nous to manage a talented group of players. Managing Molde and Middlesbrough are very different prospects compared to managing United and England.
Guardiola is a once in a generation type manager who will rightly go down as one of the greatest. Nageslmann did a great job at Leipzig, taking them to the champions league semis and making them a consistent top 3 Bundesliga side under his tenure. The verdict remains on Potter, but he could easily go down as a bust at Chelsea, similar to how Moyes worked out for us.What did Guardiola, Nagelsmann or Potter achieve before landing their big jobs? Seems like a very old fashioned way of thinking.
Yes, they all deserved a shot, my point is I have no problem with giving young underqualified coaches a chance, the problem was keeping them well past their sell by date. Neither were serious candidates at the time, Southgate got the job because of the Big Sam scandal. And like ole he got a tune out of the players. But unlike us, England haven't come close to winning anything for decades, that's why getting to the final was considered decent for some fans.Guardiola is a once in a generation type manager who will rightly go down as one of the greatest. Nageslmann did a great job at Leipzig, taking them to the champions league semis and making them a consistent top 3 Bundesliga side under his tenure. The verdict remains on Potter, but he could easily go down as a bust at Chelsea, similar to how Moyes worked out for us.
England doesn't have the talent in the midfield to play offensive football, the best they can do is counter attack, which they did well yesterday against Germany.
In no way England should be looking to play offensive against the likes of France,Germany, Netherlands,Spain,Italy, Belgium,Brazil,Croatia, etc unless Southgate wants his team to get spanked.
When England tried to be offensive, Hungary spanked them on the counter and lost 0-4 at home.
Trent can't defend to save his life, and Southgate prioritizes defense, so there is no reason to use Trent if you want to defend.
As mediocre as Southgate is as manager, i don't think England midfield is good enough to play offensive football
I’m not sure I can be mates with somebody so irrationally angry to be honest with you.He’s shite and rewards mediocrity. Yes he’s an overrated prick. Are you OK with that mate?
I mean, plenty of black players have been given the same chances despite performance. Sterling, Rashford, Walker, Phillips, Saka, Mings could all just as easily be named over white players who didn’t get the same chances. It’s more than a bit of a stretch. Especially when you name players who’ve struggled themselves (Sancho) or have very obvious deficiencies in their game (Trent defending, Greenwood well I needn’t say more)I also think he only plays pals, which in this case seem to be similarly white players. Over looking the likes of Trent, Sancho and in the past Smalling and Greenwood. Yes I know he plays some black players like Sterling. But intentional or not, this is institutionalised racism. The kind of thing you see in the workplace all the time. Quite cnutish of him.
You've hit the nail on the head here! I'm sick of seeing in-form black players like TAA, Sancho and Greenwood be overlooked while white counterparts like Reece-James, Walker and Saka are shoe-horned in!! Boils my bloodI also think he only plays pals, which in this case seem to be similarly white players. Over looking the likes of Trent, Sancho and in the past Smalling and Greenwood. Yes I know he plays some black players like Sterling. But intentional or not, this is institutionalised racism. The kind of thing you see in the workplace all the time. Quite cnutish of him.
I’m not sure I can be mates with somebody so irrationally angry to be honest with you.
I mean, plenty of black players have been given the same chances despite performance. Sterling, Rashford, Walker, Phillips, Saka, Mings could all just as easily be named over white players who didn’t get the same chances. It’s more than a bit of a stretch. Especially when you name players who’ve struggled themselves (Sancho) or have very obvious deficiencies in their game (Trent defending, Greenwood well I needn’t say more)
Saying he has too much faith in a select few is fair, implying there’s racism at play with no corroborating evidence is more cnutish.
It's a lazy comparison. Southgate got a 2nd tier international team to the late stages of the 2 major tournaments. Ole lost a Europa League final as manager of one of the biggest, most successful clubs in world football.The comparisons stem from the notion that both are vastly under-qualified for their respective jobs based on achieving the square root of nothing in their managerial careers, as well as not having the managerial nous to manage a talented group of players. Managing Molde and Middlesbrough are very different prospects compared to managing United and England.
Yeah no, I didn't think that one thoroughly enough.A German as England manager?
No. You just like him are using hindsight to make these claims. The reason they beat Argentina for example was because Argentina as per usual plain froze. They also never threatened Spain at all. Spain were pretty comfortable against them, which was no surprise because they weren't at that level yet. They were at the begining of their cycle in 2010. That is why 4 years later they matured into a winning team.Clearly they did though, otherwise they wouldn't have gone on to thump Argentina in the quarters and push that Spain side to the limit in the semi-final, nor would they have gone on to win the World Cup four years later.
Southgate is not a great manager. But he isnt remotely shit either abd he has done very well. People should stop pretending he has a generation as good as England's past 2 golden generations(1986-90) (2002-2010) and is "holding them back". (I.e the hoolaboo about TAA not playing often) His tactics have actually masked a lot of weaknesses that exist in the group. Its really funny how he gets so much abuse yet he lost a major tourney final on the lottery of a shoot out. Against an Italy side that actually dumped out better sides than England in the tournament and played the best football in the entire tournament all tournement long. Plus have a far higher big tournament final pedigree. Yet the way most talk on here. One would think he faced a truly rubbish opponent in the final that was a perrenial international tournament pretender.Capello didn't make the most of what he had, but I'm finding it hard to believe Southgate is either. Solid pragmatist he certainly is, but simply does not know how to play modern attacking football in a way that controls games and maximises the abilities of his most talented players.
CorrectIt's a lazy comparison. Southgate got a 2nd tier international team to the late stages of the 2 major tournaments. Ole lost a Europa League final as manager of one of the biggest, most successful clubs in world football.
It's not a lottery. I mean even if we ignore the homework keepers and players do (or should do) on eachother, he decided to throw on two players barely warm and without any rhythm from the tournament to take kicks aswell as giving the crucial 5th one to a youngster who was quite evidently overwhelmed by the occasion.No. You just like him are using hindsight to make these claims. The reason they beat Argentina for example was because Argentina as per usual plain froze. They also never threatened Spain at all. Spain were pretty comfortable against them, which was no surprise because they weren't at that level yet. They were at the begining of their cycle in 2010. That is why 4 years later they matured into a winning team.
Southgate is not a great manager. But he isnt remotely shit either abd he has done very well. People should stop pretending he has a generation as good as England's past 2 golden generations(1986-90) (2002-2010) and is "holding them back". (I.e the hoolaboo about TAA not playing often) His tactics have actually masked a lot of weaknesses that exist in the group. Its really funny how he gets so much abuse yet he lost a major tourney final on the lottery of a shoot out. Against an Italy side that actually dumped out better sides than England in the tournament and played the best football in the entire tournament all tournement long. Plus have a far higher big tournament final pedigree. Yet the way most talk on here. One would think he faced a truly rubbish opponent in the final that was a perrenial international tournament pretender.
