I can not stand it especially after it pushed the useless covid - Certificate of vaccination ID jab on people with his influence being england manager it has played a part in mass genocide. Jail time for life should be next for southgate
So what's next for Sir Gareth Southgate?
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Yes......thats the real reason he should go. Obviously. Gareth "mass genocide" Southgate.
Never understood why he got a new contract. Obvious, his performance would be judged by 2022 WC, and yet he gave him a 2024 contract.
I as a common guy, have to proof myself constantly at work with little contract security. While, these government institutions and big clubs happily pay millions for 1 time wonders, and also let go of them with huge compensations..
I as a common guy, have to proof myself constantly at work with little contract security. While, these government institutions and big clubs happily pay millions for 1 time wonders, and also let go of them with huge compensations..
Good shout.
Great post. Basically sums up Southgate for me to.
Think this World Cup will end in disaster for England to be honest. Between Southgate, and the amount of players out of form, I wouldn't even be shocked if we got knocked out in the Group or Second Round.
Early exit and he'll be sacked.
His general uselessness has been masked over by a combination of England having lucky draws, and a group of decent young and well coached (at club level) players coming into the fold.
He played for penalties in a European championship final, despite it being at Wembley, then brought on two players to miss one, one of who was a teenager...then sent an 18 year old up to take the most crucial one. He should still be phoning Sancho and Saka every day to apologise. Instead he literally slags Sancho off to the press for no reason.
If he managed a pl team he'd be sacked in half a season, either purely on results or because the players would hound him out due to knowing more about football than him.
He should also cut out the social commentary and acting like being England manager gives him power to render things like social inequality and a crisis in living standards irrelevant becsuse "we should all get behind the boys" or whatever. Maybe just concentrate on being able to recognise that playing defensively with a squad of attacking players and shite defenders makes no fecking sense.
Other than thar I think he's alright.
He played for penalties in a European championship final, despite it being at Wembley, then brought on two players to miss one, one of who was a teenager...then sent an 18 year old up to take the most crucial one. He should still be phoning Sancho and Saka every day to apologise. Instead he literally slags Sancho off to the press for no reason.
If he managed a pl team he'd be sacked in half a season, either purely on results or because the players would hound him out due to knowing more about football than him.
He should also cut out the social commentary and acting like being England manager gives him power to render things like social inequality and a crisis in living standards irrelevant becsuse "we should all get behind the boys" or whatever. Maybe just concentrate on being able to recognise that playing defensively with a squad of attacking players and shite defenders makes no fecking sense.
Other than thar I think he's alright.
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I was worried for a while that United were thinking of him as a replacement for Ole... he's never convinced me despite a (small) handful of very good results
You probably could have predicted the entire England call ups.
Maguire, Shaw, Phillips have barely played but still get called up.
Tony deserved to get called up but I think Southgate only did it because the media pleaded his case.
Maguire, Shaw, Phillips have barely played but still get called up.
Tony deserved to get called up but I think Southgate only did it because the media pleaded his case.
Has this guy possibly had the easiest football management career of all time?
He has a stacked squad and isn’t expected to win anything. Meanwhile having 45 weeks holiday a year.
He’s more than happy to collect that paycheque because he knows as soon as he goes back to club management… reality hits hard.
I doubt he’s even got the stomach for actual management either. He’ll want an FA boardroom role instead which is a cop out in my book.
He has a stacked squad and isn’t expected to win anything. Meanwhile having 45 weeks holiday a year.
He’s more than happy to collect that paycheque because he knows as soon as he goes back to club management… reality hits hard.
I doubt he’s even got the stomach for actual management either. He’ll want an FA boardroom role instead which is a cop out in my book.
Southgate gets so much credit because England have done well in the last couple of tournaments where, other than Belgium, who beat them twice, they never played a decent side. His style of football is dire and he, like many of his predecessors, plays his favourites rather than players who deserve to play and who could actually make England better.
The proof of this is in his squad selection as you've mentioned. I cannot stand the bloke and the way the media have shown him so much love shows how absolutely shocking they are. When we lost to Hungary I don't recall any significant fall out when he deserved to be hammered!
I think their luck will run out, and they'll lose in the first knockout round.
Southgate is boring, he's fine, but he's not a guy to go win it all. You gotta take chances, or be Italy.
Southgate is boring, he's fine, but he's not a guy to go win it all. You gotta take chances, or be Italy.
It's actually unbelievable that they have given a group as talented as this one to Gareth Southgate to waste.
Actually it's not that unbelievable. It's the FA after all.
Actually it's not that unbelievable. It's the FA after all.
The waste of having a talented generation of players and then having a conservative manager like him in charge.
I just have a feeling this is the tournament it falls apart.
Hopefully Potter or Howe become available soon, they're more forward-thinking but still bland enough to be appreciated by the FA.
Would rather have Potter in there personally, thanks Chelsea for costing us the World
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cup.
I think Southgate has done well, considering he is very conservative in his outlook and style. He has some very good players in his squad, and seems very loyal to certain players, and why not if they perform well for him.
Maguire, for one, always appears to play better for England than for United, most probably because it's a back three, and he has players like Rice and Phillips in front of him, both very good in that position in front of the defence.
I would love to see Toney get a run out, he's impressed me a lot since moving up to the Premier League with Brentford, but we all know it will be Harry leading the line.
Southgate, like many managers, have a tried and trusted method of playing, and he won't stray to far away from that. He struggles to adapt when looking to go and score goals, and I feel he made several poor decisions when we lost to Italy in the Euros, he is what he is, a decent manager, but for me, not a top class manager.
Maguire, for one, always appears to play better for England than for United, most probably because it's a back three, and he has players like Rice and Phillips in front of him, both very good in that position in front of the defence.
I would love to see Toney get a run out, he's impressed me a lot since moving up to the Premier League with Brentford, but we all know it will be Harry leading the line.
Southgate, like many managers, have a tried and trusted method of playing, and he won't stray to far away from that. He struggles to adapt when looking to go and score goals, and I feel he made several poor decisions when we lost to Italy in the Euros, he is what he is, a decent manager, but for me, not a top class manager.
Would rather that than another heroic failure which might buy him another 2 or 4 years.
We won’t go anywhere good with Southgate.
It’s genuinely baffling that the media aren’t more questioning of him given their record with England managers, the turnip, Wally with the brolly etc
It's a difficult route to the final. Netherlands or Senegal in last 16, Argentina or France possibly in the QF. Belgium/Portugal/Spain/Germany/Brazil in SF. I doubt they get past the QF.
Mediocre manager, wasting one of the best squads England has had in a while. You can only fail upwards and fluke out for so long.
In the long run it would be better to fail miserably and go out at the group stage than have a QF or Semi defeat that can be dressed up as some sort of heroic and impressive defeat.
I think if they lose in the QF this time people would wise up though to the fact that when England play a big team they fail. The only reason he's gotten away with that so far is because it was a semi-final and final, mixed with the failures of the past.
Yeah Ive a feeling you will be right. Mainly because of the issues with the defence, 50% of the established defence is currently bench warming at Old Trafford with no sign of that changing hopefully.
Big risk either way to stick with the normal defence considering most of them arent playing or are out of form or go with a brand new defence just before the World Cup.
Bowen's inclusion is baffling to me. Only 4 caps for england so unlike Grealish who also isnt playing well, he hasnt got the pedigree of a major tournament under his belt.
Can honestly see him and Toney going to the WC over Rashford and Sancho.
Can honestly see him and Toney going to the WC over Rashford and Sancho.
I'm certain we'll finish 2nd in the group behind Wales. Then out in the last 16. Euro 2020 really was the chance of a generation..
The FA have dropped a bollock, should have lined up Potter for post-WC after the embarrassing last intl break. Now that option has gone and can't see Howe leaving Bournemouth. No idea who would be a good appointment now.
Yep.. he's not getting a job in the PL.
He will be sacked after losing out to Wales in the group stage
I wouldn't rule out us losing to Wales and USA. We've got decent players but the age old problem of media attention is the key. You could see perfermance drop through the Euros as the number of interviews increased. Southgate's no.1 priority should be to protect the players from that. ETH is doing that really well atm, it prevents players from stepping out with a sesnse of entitlement.
It's more the case he's incompetent rather than conservative.
Southgate was a terrible, terrible club level manager. He's one of the poorer international manager's out there.
He lost us the final, Italy there for the taking and he got tactically schooled by Mancini.
It's annoying that to fail at the group stage means getting mugged off by countries that'll absolutely love it and be insufferable over it. Wales and USA for gods sake, couldn't be worse really, except maybe Scotland.
England have a squad to play a nice brand of football with a high line and dominate teams rather than sit back and play with 2 deep midfielders etc it's a shame but most teams that win things internationally tend to concede less rather than score more
Jesus, you'd think the WC group stage had already been played, reading this thread
He’ll play a back four with Maguire and Shaw in it (both of whom will barely have played) and he’ll sit Rice and Phillips in the middle with instructions not to pass the half way line and I’ll puke.
Can put this in the “quote me thread” but maybe not the puking bit
Can put this in the “quote me thread” but maybe not the puking bit
Some of us are ahead of our time
Why would Howe amd Potter manage England at the peak of their careers?
There is a reason the top managers manage at club level.