So... Was it a red? (Casemiro / Hughes Royal Rumble)

[JustKatie]

Probably a red. Sure it was the collar not the neck but it's still considered violent conduct so a red is justified. On another day with another ref it could've been a yellow and a final warning if he breathed wrong again he'd be off.

As much as we'll miss him it'll give him a wee rest so he can come back fresh and ready to go

 

[Ibi Dreams]

We absolutely would not get it overturned if we appealed so we have to take it on the chin. Hopefully it won't end up mattering too much

 

[Heinzesight]

Shame we didn’t appeal but can see why and Ten Hag has subtlety had a dig at those in charge of the game.

I didn’t realise he’d grabbed a PSG player by the neck last season though …just a yellow card though.

 

[Adam-Utd]

He loves to strangle, he just can't help himself

Lucky to stay on the pitch with that one. Disgraceful, clear red card

 

[golden_blunder]

EtH thinks appealing is the wrong decision and we wouldn't have a chance.

You could argue it’s the wrong decision but as I’ve argued all along, you put your hands up like that, they have a decision to make.

 

[RedStarUnited]

What would have been the harm in appealing?

 

[SilentWitness]

What would have been the harm in appealing?

You risk the ban being extended.

 

[FujiVice]

This wasnt even a booking.

 

[Sandikan]

This wasnt even a booking.

That was back in the pre VAR days where you could get away with all sorts.
Vieira had gotten away with a headbutt on Keane in the same game.

 

[golden_blunder]

What would have been the harm in appealing?

Even Ten Haag said he’d crossed the line so why bother?

 

[Shimo]

Really annoying that we are charged for violent conduct by the team when everyone and their mother saw that VAR missed CP players that could/should have been sent off. Basically FA is saying VAR got it right if they are not CP doesn't have the same charges leveled agains them.

 

[tombombadil]

It's obvious that the someone is targeting man utd's midfield to sabotage the remainder of the season. Perfectly timed just at the end of the transfer window. First, Carroll ran around try to break legs. Successfully injured Eriksen for the rest of the season. Failed to break Casemiro's legs. So Carroll is probably only getting paid half the bribe. Next game, Casemiro gets red carded eventhough many other players did something similar or worse. Some people are getting huge pay days for this sabotage. It's disgusting.

 

[FriedClams]

It's obvious that the someone is targeting man utd's midfield to sabotage the remainder of the season. Perfectly timed just at the end of the transfer window. First, Carroll ran around try to break legs. Successfully injured Eriksen for the rest of the season. Failed to break Casemiro's legs. So Carroll is probably only getting paid half the bribe. Next game, Casemiro gets red carded eventhough many other players did something similar or worse. Some people are getting huge pay days for this sabotage. It's disgusting.

Location checks out

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Dunno if anyone else was watching the perennial damp squib that is the Merseyside derby but can any of the “hands around an opposition player’s neck is always a red card” crew explain the incident between Robertson and Cody just now?

 

[The Firestarter]

Dunno if anyone else was watching the perennial damp squib that is the Merseyside derby but can any of the “hands around an opposition player’s neck is always a red card” crew explain the incident between Robertson and Cody just now?

It will turn out one hand is allowed

 

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[RedNome]

And people will still try to tell us we don't get treated differently.

 

[Plant0x84]

He’s not attacking him, that’s a passionate embrace. It’s nearly Valentine’s Day after all….

 

[Judas]

You'd think they'd have gone heavy on reds this weekend for similar offences just to make themselves look a little less useless, turns out nope.

 

[Get In Scholesy]

Surely this is an extra ban for Casemiro for clearly influencing the recent increase in strangling in the Premier League.

 

[Member 125288]

And people will still try to tell us we don't get treated differently.

It does seem like it’s got to the point where the club really should be raising these things with the league, especially after we get charged for failing to control our players when Palace who were equally culpable get nothing.

 

[tomaldinho1]

Waiting for whoever that poster was in the Case thread to pop up:

Look at his thumbs, the angle tells me that is a hard throttle, not a weak one, a hard choke and is a certain red. Look at his thumbs in this specific picture, it is actually attempted murder the more I look at it, no I'm not interested in any other angles or even videos that prove me wrong, it is tantamount to murder. Look at his thumbs!

 

[Anustart89]

"The referee has no choice once your hands go up"

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Was it @Dion who said that any contact to the head/neck constitutes a “strike” and is an automatic red card?

 

[V.O.]

Correct decision. Grabbing Robertson by the neck and telling him to go feck himself should never be a card.

 

[Adam-Utd]

Waiting for whoever that poster was in the Case thread to pop up:

Look at his thumbs, the angle tells me that is a hard throttle, not a weak one, a hard choke and is a certain red. Look at his thumbs in this specific picture, it is actually attempted murder the more I look at it, no I'm not interested in any other angles or even videos that prove me wrong, it is tantamount to murder. Look at his thumbs!

@Dion your time is now

 

[RedNome]

Correct decision. Grabbing Robertson by the neck and telling him to go feck himself should never be a card.

Fair point.

 

[Anustart89]

It does seem like it’s got to the point where the club really should be raising these things with the league, especially after we get charged for failing to control our players when Palace who were equally culpable get nothing.

Palace were charged too. We got charged twice more for failing to control players (Chelsea pen and Newcastle when we scored after they started play but ref thought otherwise), but City didn't get charged after Bruno's goal with their mass protest and when Grealish followed the ref down the tunnel after the game.

 

[Pexbo]

Just so you are all aware, in the next month or so there’s going to be a very similar incident in another game and VAR will recommend nothing. Because that seems to be how these things work.

 

[Rolaholic]

Ben White grabbed a handful of neck during the scrap against Brentford days ago too without any card/punishment with nothing coming in retrospect either

Was paying close attention this week to how other incidents were officiated around the league and nobody has gotten any punishment for similar or worse offenses. It's farcical

 

[Zlatan 7]

Was it @Dion who said that any contact to the head/neck constitutes a “strike” and is an automatic red card?

Was a mod but can’t remember which one. Hands raised = red card. Doesn’t seem to be the case though.

 

[JustinC00]

@Dion @golden_blunder

thoughts on this one

 

[golden_blunder]

@Dion @golden_blunder

thoughts on this one

Grab the throat/neck should be red, stand by that. Obviously the standard of reffing and var is shocking, there’s no consistency. Doesn’t change my view that it’s a red card offence

 

[MyOnlySolskjaer]

Back of his neck.

 

[Rightnr]

Voted red and still believe it is defendable but the standard seems to be applied only to us (and to a harsher degree that Wolves midfielder ), so yeah it's a bullshit decision.

 

[lex talionis]

The bottom line is that you can't grab another player by the neck even if it's to defuse a tense situation and protect the player from harm, as was clearly the case in the Casemiro/Hughes incident. All that said, it's an offense that is sporadically enforced. In the very same incident a Palace player (think it was Ayew), actually attacked Fred's face and neck. The photos which have been published around the world leave no doubt about the more serious menacing intent and use of the hands to the face/neck by Ayew on Fred than Casemiro on Hughes by the collar (which is close enough for concern).

This cannot be excused away. One retired referee, Dermot Gallagher, explained away the discrimination on the grounds -- I'm not going to paraphrase it...let's see what he actually said, shall we?

But speaking to Sky Sports, Gallagher believes the referee made the right call and that they could not send off the Ghana international as well because there is only 'so much they can pick up at the time'.

Oh, so there's only "so much they can pick up at the time"? Has Dermot never heard of VAR? VAR exists to "pick up" that which the referee misses in real time, such as handball offenses, fouls in the box and offside offenses. And also suspected violent conduct. Yes of course referees miss things in real time, which is why we have VAR. With respect to violent conduct, we had video review that was used long before VAR existed to send off players who were guilty of violent conduct.

 

[GledTheRed]

Let's face it, it was the biggest crock of shit red card you'll see all season and there won't be another seen like it.

United are the biggest example a referee can set, same goes for those cnuts at VAR, see Weghorst' goal yesterday.

 

[Dion]

Alright lads calm the farm.

Firstly, referees are inconsistent, secondly it was on Andy Robertson so nothing counts.

 

[Faetheshire86]

"Straight red, no arguments!"
"I don't know, Casemiro doesn't look like the aggressor in this situation"

"Context doesn't matter, you can't strangle someone!"
"Yeah, but Hughes doesn't look like he is in distress, in fact he removes Casemiro's hands by touching his elbows"

"The amount of force being applied doesn't matter, you cant have you're hands around someone's neck"
"Yeah, but if you look at the other angle, his hands are more wrapped round his collar/traps"

"It doesn't matter if it was his collar, it's in the rules you can't hold someone near the neck"
"I feel like I see it almost every week?"

"It's a red card"
"So you are saying there is no context where you can hold an opponent round the neck in a non-football action"

"Yes"


*Next week, two incidents of player holding another round the neck area*

"Yeah... context though"

 

[Lost bear]

The bottom line is that you can't grab another player by the neck even if it's to defuse a tense situation and protect the player from harm, as was clearly the case in the Casemiro/Hughes incident. All that said, it's an offense that is sporadically enforced. In the very same incident a Palace player (think it was Ayew), actually attacked Fred's face and neck. The photos which have been published around the world leave no doubt about the more serious menacing intent and use of the hands to the face/neck by Ayew on Fred than Casemiro on Hughes by the collar (which is close enough for concern).

This cannot be excused away. One retired referee, Dermot Gallagher, explained away the discrimination on the grounds -- I'm not going to paraphrase it...let's see what he actually said, shall we?

But speaking to Sky Sports, Gallagher believes the referee made the right call and that they could not send off the Ghana international as well because there is only 'so much they can pick up at the time'.

Oh, so there's only "so much they can pick up at the time"? Has Dermot never heard of VAR? VAR exists to "pick up" that which the referee misses in real time, such as handball offenses, fouls in the box and offside offenses. And also suspected violent conduct. Yes of course referees miss things in real time, which is why we have VAR. With respect to violent conduct, we had video review that was used long before VAR existed to send off players who were guilty of violent conduct.

Yeah, this kind of thing is merely a rationalisation. In general, and not confining the debate purely to Case’s red card, there’s so much empirical evidence of an ABU agenda that it’s damn difficult to ignore. But we will always be accused of bias- and that’s true, too. If I wasn’t ‘biased’ I wouldn’t be a Utd fan. I confess. Doesn’t mean we’re wrong, though.