Wut ? I'm afraid that's not an astute argument. Loads of excellent young players aren't linked with United. Ricardo Rodriguez, Leon Goretzka, Aymeric Laporte, Max Meyer etc. Doesn't mean they're not good enough. Players being linked/ not linked with United is certainly not a good enough barometer to measure their potential.
So, How Many of these Dutchmen Can We Buy?
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
Wut ? I'm afraid that's not an astute argument. Loads of excellent young players aren't linked with United. Ricardo Rodriguez, Leon Goretzka, Aymeric Laporte, Max Meyer etc. Doesn't mean they're not good enough. Players being linked/ not linked with United is certainly not a good enough barometer to measure their potential.
Just think if we buy Blind and we've got Juan Mata the puns would would never stop!
blind is little overrated, hes extremely slow and his dribbling is similar to Jones.. ball or kicking technique is a different story but still Shaw is even now better and 5 or 6 years younger, as a backup I wouldnt mind him but as a priority signing never..
People will make them on a Daley basis.
Obviously there are a lot of players that are good enough for United they we're not linked with. I'm trying to argue that just because we're linked with them then they play one good game at the World Cup doesn't mean they're good enough to play for United. People making threads wondering the availability of Ron Vlaar after one solid performance typifies this.
Strootman & Robben 
Although Strootman is injured and Robben is staying at Bayern, so no Dutch players for us in this window.
Although Strootman is injured and Robben is staying at Bayern, so no Dutch players for us in this window.
Based on yesterday the only one I'd be interested in really (well, apart from the one we've already got ) is Martins Indi. He was excellent - composed, cool-headed, dominant and effective with the ball at his feet too.
Blind had a storming second half and one lovely pass in the first half but before then he'd been error-prone and looked out of his depth. His passing and crossing are good, but he's a little clumsy on the ball and not great when pressed.
Besides he doesn't really play any role that needs reinforcement for us. Generally been poor when I've seen him as a CM, but not the sort of winger we need. I don't see us playing a system which calls for the 'wide midfielder' role which is really his best position. Positionally (not in terms of style of play) he's like Milner, and that's not a position we need to fill.
But yeah, definitely Strootman once he's over his injury.
) is Martins Indi. He was excellent - composed, cool-headed, dominant and effective with the ball at his feet too.Blind had a storming second half and one lovely pass in the first half but before then he'd been error-prone and looked out of his depth. His passing and crossing are good, but he's a little clumsy on the ball and not great when pressed.
Besides he doesn't really play any role that needs reinforcement for us. Generally been poor when I've seen him as a CM, but not the sort of winger we need. I don't see us playing a system which calls for the 'wide midfielder' role which is really his best position. Positionally (not in terms of style of play) he's like Milner, and that's not a position we need to fill.
But yeah, definitely Strootman once he's over his injury.
As a left back Shaw is better, but you noticed yourself that what makes Blind an interesting player are the attributes of a good midfielder, positioning, passing, vision, tackling, he could play in role similar to Xabi alonso's in a good team.
Nah, he really struggles when he plays centrally. He's not comfortable enough on the ball to handle the tight spaces and pressure on the ball. He always looks better in a sort of 'wide midfielder' role because he gets the space to take a breath and look for a long pass.
He's not someone we should be looking at, for me. Our CM solutions need to be less risky - Blind could very well end up as just another body not quite good or suitable enough to be starting but eating up wages and space in the squad.
There is no tight space when you play Xabi Alonso position, he barely plays in the opposition half and can't dribble or run.
And i didn't say that we should go for him i just said that he was a good player.
That van Persie lad looks decent, hope van Gaal takes a look at him.
I v seen him played in CDM position and he didnt really caught my eye, as you said its his central midfield atributes that makes him interresting in LB but still average player although dependable.. he isnt really a xabi alonso quality if he was he would be played instead of another tho average players namely de Jong and de Guzman.. Its just van Gaal´s system/ohilosophy which made some players look better.. Same with Handerson he looked the best CM in the league under rodgers.. and barry under martinez, I could go on with several other players having their best seasons thanks to the system they play in. AND this is obviously a good sighn if LVG can make cleverley and valencia valuable players why not but still if we can overcome our opponent with cleverley or destroy with scholes - esqe level quality player I would choose to destroy. Of course I agree with having a balance between star players and workers.. BUt I believe wed better invest to some other quality than b´Blind who had one good match and everyones like - Oh god hes the one we need!
Still like versatile players but as I said he looks good on the left because of his Cm attributes and is not anything special in centrla position with his leftback attributes which are average... And who needs daley blind when we have Reece James which is the same sort of player and have some potential to be a great backup for free(3 years younger, homegrown - less wages)
Oh yeah I definitely agree with you there. There have been numerous hyperbolic generalisations since the game. I reckon Van Gaal/ van Persie/ Woodward would be getting panned right now if they'd lost. However some of us have genuinely watched them in Eredividsie and aren't just jumping to conclusions. Not that I want any of them in any role exceeding as a squad player mind.
Some of you have seen Blind for the first time, and logically you are not sure abouth his quality, I am a Mancunian/Ajacied and I can guarantee you, this level is just as he always plays. Ofcourse that assists vs RVP is not something he does everymatch, he can't give that assist always because Sigthorrson is nowhere near RVP, but Blind is such a smart player, defensively very strong, can pass the bal, he gives all and can run the whole match.. If you watch Ajax vs Barca 2-1 for instance, or the matches against Milan you see that he is capable of performing at a high level, and he showed that yesterday once again.
I'm defending a player that i don't want but you say that as if our manager wasn't Van Gaal. If a player his suited to Van Gaal's system and plays at a high level in it than we should only judge him by that.
I mean if you see a bird who fly fast you don't say: "okay he can fly but can he Run ? "
A player is rarely better than the system he thrives in, you made a list of "average" players who are good in specific system but there is also a list of good players who are average in a specific system, Fabregas-Barcelona, Cavani-PSG, Neymar-Barcelona, Messi -Argentina (during a long period), Berbatov-United, etc...
Obviously Blind wont a valuable purchase under an other manager but we don't have an other manager.
If Southampton still demand stupid money for Shaw, I'd be happy for us to tell em to feck off and go for Blind instead.
Not arguing, rather agree but you should be considering possibility that van Gaal have only players which are availible for their national side.. he will have different options at OT, we have definetely better alternatives even not right away but you cant buy a player into a national squad you just play with what you have.. and dont get carried away too much after one match..
I hear you, he already has better players at his disposal at United. And i don't rate Blind particularly despite the fact that i like him since his beginings.
The problem is the bar at CL level is higher than international level (even though we are not in it next season). Stating the obvious but being the best dutch LB for example only counts for something if that includes being one of the best in the CL. That's the barometer we need to set ourselves...
Just knew people would go overboard on the back of that result - we should buy no more than ten or twelve, at the most.
We don't necessarily need the best players overall, but the best players to make us the best team.
Wouldn't disagree with that but that wasn't my point tbh. My point is sometimes players look great in teams cause the standard of players or the league in general is so poor, so being the best dutch player LB for example doesn't count for anything if they are be the best player for us that happens to be dutch. We have a great examples here in RVP and the other end of the spectrum in Buttner. I'm in no doubt he looked great in the dutch league, and I love his commitment when he plays but IMO, he's not even close to pushing Evra to start.
Does it really mata? I will personally be blind to any of the daley puns in this place. Juan more pun for the road isn't going to hurt anyone.
For me blind and martins indi stood out for being able to play multiple roles, blind switch comfortably between left wing back and midfield, while martins indi covered the left side of defence. Of the two, i didnt think blind offered enough going forward, but was impressed with martins indi.
Sorry, I misunderstood. You're right the level of the competition, in every sense, is important. That's why i think Clasie and Martins Indi aren't good enough, but Blind has something, he is intelligent you can translate that everywhere despite his lack of talent and physical abilities.
We don't need him so i'm against the purchase but he could be a good utility player for Liverpool.
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Nice to get an opinion from someone who has actually seen him play more than once and is not pretending that they know everything about him based on last nights performance....what position did he play in Sammy against Milan and Barca? Cheers
He played CVM first, then Boilesen fell out and he went to the LB, and against Milan he played LB 2 times.
Shaw thing baby.
Cleverly done there mate.
In answer to the op - whoever is left after Chelsea, City, PSG and the spanish giants have filled their boots.
I was impressed with him last year when he played in the under 21 championship. Neat and tidy player.
Nailed it!
Strootman and Blind, if we don't get Shaw.
Robben
Strootman
Blind
Through Gungon and cb and were elected.
Strootman
Blind
Through Gungon and cb and were elected.
Would Sneijder really be that bad a signing with what we have at the minute as a deep lying playmaker