You obviously were happy to point those out who thought Blind wouldn't be good enough for United but in another post you said only Strootman was United quality yourself.
So, How Many of these Dutchmen Can We Buy?
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
You obviously were happy to point those out who thought Blind wouldn't be good enough for United but in another post you said only Strootman was United quality yourself.
Wut ? I've stated multiple times that he's only good enough to be a squad or utility player but still slightly better than some of the options we currently have. That doesn't mean he should be on our wanted list. Infact you can tally that with my posts on the Blind thread :
What I objected to however and quoted were hyperbolic and negative statements based purely on minuscule sample size/ misguided opinions.
eg. One dude wrote
I would be utterly amazed if we ever sign this lad. Whenever I've seen him (which has admittedly not been often), he's made Cleverly look like Steven Gerrard for Liverpool v Olympiakos in 2004/05
And yours
Looked poor when I seen him no better than Buttner!
Come on ? Buttner! Seriously ? He's atleast a couple notches above.
Just wow man. You can't take even a smidgen of light hearted criticism can you ? If instead of mocking the post with your "haha" and whatnot you'd actually bothered meandering into the Blind thread you'd have noticed that people like me, van Rompuy are actually familiar with Ajax and the Eredivisie. Consequently we can deduce a informed judgement based on a much larger sample size of upto 2 seasons in my case and probably more for Van Rompuy who seems really clued up.
But you know what. What do we know ? He's poor is what he is. You can go right ahead and get more "haha"s in. Cheers !
Just knew people would go overboard on the back of that result - we should buy no more than ten or twelve, at the most.
Yes, people must not go overboard, we shouldn't buy more than 12, max.
I was asking this question more as a practical matter. With van Gaal as our manager I would think that many of these young Dutch players would love the idea of playing for him at United.
Robben is obviously not coming, and Sneijder is very unlikely as well.
But who is in a position where we could pick them up, theoretically?
Nigel de Jong (29) is with AC Milan, they're a selling club these days so that's theoretically possible, and we need a holding midfielder.
Jon de Guzman (26) is owned by Swansea, I would think he's available at a reasonable price.
Daryl Janmaat (24) is at Feyenoord, would think he could be scooped up fairly cheaply.
Anyone know when their contracts might be up?
We also have:
Daley Blind (22) at Ajax
Ron Vlaar (29) at Villa
Stephan de Vrij (22) at Feyenoord
Bruno Martins Indi (22) Feyenoord
Robben is obviously not coming, and Sneijder is very unlikely as well.
But who is in a position where we could pick them up, theoretically?
Nigel de Jong (29) is with AC Milan, they're a selling club these days so that's theoretically possible, and we need a holding midfielder.
Jon de Guzman (26) is owned by Swansea, I would think he's available at a reasonable price.
Daryl Janmaat (24) is at Feyenoord, would think he could be scooped up fairly cheaply.
Anyone know when their contracts might be up?
We also have:
Daley Blind (22) at Ajax
Ron Vlaar (29) at Villa
Stephan de Vrij (22) at Feyenoord
Bruno Martins Indi (22) Feyenoord
I'd laugh so much if we finally bought Sneijder on the back of a great World Cup.
Surely we won't pick up another #10, it would be madness.
Blind for his versatility. Even though he put in a stormer at left back, the lad was actually voted Dutch footballer of the year playing as a defensive midfielder for Ajax.
We already made the best signing with Van Gaal.
Strootman would be the best addition, not convinced with Clasie,blind,Depay, ect.....but a great World Cup can change that.
Strootman would be the best addition, not convinced with Clasie,blind,Depay, ect.....but a great World Cup can change that.
Generally agreed with this. I still think we might buy one of the defenders just because they're so young, should not be too expensive and we need depth now.
Agree, we'll most likely sign one of de frij or Indi I'd prefer to get a more experienced defender but I wouldn't say no they'd be fairly cheap as well id imagine.
Blind would be a good utility player but shouldn't be a priority.
None of them because they are not good enough for the EPL.
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Why you pulling other posters into this? Has Van Rompuy acted like yourself? As my issue with you was quoting multiple posters individually on their opinion of Blind to make them look stupid.
But then you said only Strootman was good enough for United yourself in another post then a good game by Blind and now he is suddenly good enough? This is why I said 90 mins for your sample size as you seemed to have changed your mind in the course of the 90mins.
"make them look stupid" ? You know what ? Forget it champ. Apparently humour is a virtue lost on your good self. None of the others I quoted took offence with it because the post was being mocked, not the poster. Mad Winger even joked about it and brushed it aside. I struggle to fathom why you in isolation among 5-6 other are getting so worked up over an innocent little emoticon. I mean to find someone that takes offence with a post that's just ( ) in its entirety is honestly baffling. Anyway pointless discussion is pointless and off-topic. Good luck with you life or whatever. Ta.
Yes, imagine what a team full of EPL quality players could have done to Spain!
And then imagine a top EPL team like United, well, it would have been a rugby score. Carrick and Cleverley would rip Spain to pieces. I mean, Spain struggled against a team full of below-EPL level players, they can't hope to handle EPL quality players, much less a team in the top half of the table.
I thought Holland was poor, really.
The rest of the team provided the base for the front 3 to excel in a solid, hard-working display. I wasn't particularly impressed with any of them.
Blind look good and could be handy addition for a couple of positions.
Martins Indi's made a few defensive blunders in the first half. His passing was good throughout.
Vlaar, Jammaat and De Vrij were alright.
de Guzman would have been sent off if he stayed any longer. de Jong is de Jong.
I have been sceptical of LvG throughout, but Dutch set-up and performance calmed a few nerves. I am more excited by how he utilizes Januzaj, Powell, Lingard, Lawrence & Wilson. And how he makes Cleverley, Fellaini, Nani, Welbeck, Valencia, Mata & Rooney better in his set-up.
Sign Sanchez, a versatile defender, a top midfielder, and we are good to go.
Blind look good and could be handy addition for a couple of positions.
Martins Indi's made a few defensive blunders in the first half. His passing was good throughout.
Vlaar, Jammaat and De Vrij were alright.
de Guzman would have been sent off if he stayed any longer. de Jong is de Jong.
I have been sceptical of LvG throughout, but Dutch set-up and performance calmed a few nerves. I am more excited by how he utilizes Januzaj, Powell, Lingard, Lawrence & Wilson. And how he makes Cleverley, Fellaini, Nani, Welbeck, Valencia, Mata & Rooney better in his set-up.
Sign Sanchez, a versatile defender, a top midfielder, and we are good to go.
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Netherlands did a good job at keeping it tight defensively and being swift on the counter. Robben and RvP were excellent. Janmaat and Blind as well did a very good job to provide support in attack. However, I didn't think much of Martins Indi. Watched the game again, and he hardly did anything of note. If anything, I felt his positional awareness was a bit poor...always seemed to wander out too far. I noticed Blind often coming in a lot to provide cover. I would say Blind might be worth a punt as a utility player (he supposedly can play defensive midfield). He is a tidy player, but not much more. Martins Indi, on this performance, no thanks. Nowhere near Stam (someone compared him to him earlier). Robben is world class, but he's not leaving Bayern. I would suggest either we take a punt on someone like Depay (only seen youtube videos so hoping to watch him against Australia), but would love to go for someone like Reus or Sanchez on the right wing. They can offer Utd what Robben offers Netherands.
Agree with everything...see my post above
I was also surprised by the praise for Martins Indi. He looked poor defensively.
We definitely need to add an exciting winger. We should also make a big bid for Vidal. If Juve is not willing to part him than I would be satisfied with Marchisio.
If there are problems getting Shaw in some way, Blind won't be a bad fallback option to go for at all. Other than that, don't know. I mean Robben won't be sold by Bayern. We don't need Sneijder because we have players for that role. Martins Indi maybe if LvG thinks appropriate but he had some nervy moments yesterday. That formation is difficult to play for CBs, he is young and he was against world class players, so will reserve judgement on him but if we manage to get Hummels, that will obviously be better choice. Don't know about Clasie, never seen him play, thought might get to yesterday.
The only one of this team I would take in a heart beat is Robben but Bayern won't sell him so that isn't really an option. Blind and Martens Indi look promising but have to show in more than one game that they are really as good as they looked in their first big international game.
This. I think we could get him to play with a more experienced and established CM
I actually thought the whole dutch defense looked very ropey in the first half, obviously with the momentum they had in second half everyone upped their game. I did not see anything in that game to suggest Martins Indi is any better than Smalling. Blind was good of course but right now there are probably 100s of LBs better than Buttner or Pat defensively. I definitely would prefer Shaw though.
RvP barring injury will be back to his first season best though, you can just see the love he has for LvG which will only be good for United.
I for one could really see a team set up like last night for us. Replace Robben with Sanchez, Mata for Sneijder and then have Schweinsteiger and Carrick (until we buy Strootman of course)
Kagawa and Januzaj on bench to mix it up.
Sign Shaw and then I'd be happy we could and would compete.
Unfortunately that leaves Rooney in a strop and wanting to leave....again. Which wouldn't bother me to be honest.
RvP barring injury will be back to his first season best though, you can just see the love he has for LvG which will only be good for United.
I for one could really see a team set up like last night for us. Replace Robben with Sanchez, Mata for Sneijder and then have Schweinsteiger and Carrick (until we buy Strootman of course)
Kagawa and Januzaj on bench to mix it up.
Sign Shaw and then I'd be happy we could and would compete.
Unfortunately that leaves Rooney in a strop and wanting to leave....again. Which wouldn't bother me to be honest.
People have gone way overboard with all this. They've played one game, that doesn't mean they're good enough to play for United, seems like we're setting our standards pretty low these days. I can't actually believe people are wondering about the availability of Ron Vlaar!
Daley Blind looked like a quality player today. He's the only defender/midfielder i would take from the Dutch team. Probably could get him less than half the cost of Shaw.
It's not the first game of football they've played, you know. I'd imagine some people are basing their opinion on more than yesterday's performance.
About time we were linked with Huntelaar again
Not sure I'd describe a 29 year old Aston Villa centre half as having 'huge potential'. Robben is the only one you'd really want, but that looks extremely unlikely. Strootman is good, but not an option this summer. I suppose you could make a case for Blind, partially because of his versatility, but the rest don't appear to be of the level we should be looking at.
Probably going to loo stupid here but is Daley blind related to the ex Ajax guy Danny blind?
He's Danny's son.
His son I think....unless I'm talking complete shit!?
I would happily take Blind. That Performance alone was more impressive than anything I have ever seen from Shaw.
Have you ever seen Shaw play wingback?
I would take a blind player right now, couldn't do much worse defensively than Buttner and Evra.
I loved the crosses he put in, they were the type that Becks put in. Maybe it will end our obsession with always getting to the byline. Also he is a genuine utility player. It woud be nice to have him so Phil Jones can concentrate on being a CB.
If they were putting in such good performances and all these players e.g Clasie, Vlaar, Blind then why weren't we linked with them before Van Gaal was appointed? Simply cannot base whether players are good enough to sign for United off a World Cup campaign as it's the biggest shop window players can ask for, as they're playing out of their skin for their country.
Probably because people are obsessed with big name, big money signings, who are supposedly good enough for Manchester United. LvG will sign players who fit into his system, not just sign players who will sell shirts.