Because you are ignoring the other aspects of his game, and concentrating on, or at least highlighting that single aspect of scoring goals and the number of them in comparison to Keane as if that was the only thing they should be judged on.
So for those who voted Keane over Robson...
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Because you are ignoring the other aspects of his game, and concentrating on, or at least highlighting that single aspect of scoring goals and the number of them in comparison to Keane as if that was the only thing they should be judged on.
Not being injured
Keane did have a serious injury, and was out for almost a whole season.
Bang on the money. At least 75% better That from a supporter of a team that had Phil 'yes boss' Neal as a RB.
No I'm not, but it is the area that stands out between the 2 and that's why i highlighted it.
Both were brilliant in the tackle
Both great leaders of men
Both inspirational
Both hard as nails
Both excellent passers (Keane is still under-rated in his ability to keep possession)
but goalscoring stands out, and that's why I can't understand your "Keane had almost everything Robson had AND MORE"... what is this "more" you speak of Weaste? better bones I guess?
Thats being very selective to be fair.......Keane was the sole reason Ireland made it to that world cup. His performances against vastly superior teams in Portugal and Holland were above anything Ive witnessed live. Against portugal especially, to leave players of the calibre of Figo and Rui Costa in the shade was genuinely amazing.
I hate this comparing shite anyway. Robbo was amazing, Keane was amazing all of us are very lucky to had the pleasure to enjoy both...
I've already said what the more is, if you can be bothered to read.
This is an interesting one, although completely impossible to quantify.
Robson led by example but a really effective leader has the ability to get those around him to also raise their game, by being inspirational in the way he plays and by making absolutely certain (often basically bullying them) that everyone conforms to his own high standards. When you look at the relative success of the teams they played for you wonder if Keano maybe had more of that about him than Robson did?
Granted, at United Keane was playing with better players under a better manager but on the international stage he consistently managed to make an absolute shower of shite (with all due respect) punch well above their weight. Something that is abundantly clear by Ireland's level of performance since he retired.
I'm not sure Robson ever did that, for club or country. Probably too nice a bloke.
Not sure for England that level of motivation was needed.Robson played with Terry Butcher,Wilkins,Beardsley,Lineker,Waddle,Pearce....a lot of those were highly self motivated for success due to their own pysches as well as ability.However he was known to shakehis fist and drive people.
The Utd team Robson captained under Atkinson flattered to deceive IMO.When he got injured it collapsed under the Liverpool juggernaut simply because it didn't have the characters, Whiteside apart to carry the team in his abscence.Keane's Utd had strong personalities everywhere
But it's a good point about the nice bloke label. Pretty sure Keane didn't give a feck what team mates thought of him as long as he got the job done
Saw both play. Both great players.
It's a tough one, butr Keane was the marginally better player in my opinion, but I can see how others may think differently.
Bit of a low act starting a thread calling out people for voting for Keane IMHO
It's a tough one, butr Keane was the marginally better player in my opinion, but I can see how others may think differently.
Bit of a low act starting a thread calling out people for voting for Keane IMHO
I don't remember much about Bryan Robson, just bits and bobs.
So obviously I know Roy Keane most, and he is my all time favourite United player.
So obviously I know Roy Keane most, and he is my all time favourite United player.
Seen 'em both, followed United since long before either of 'em.
Voted Keano by a hair.
Robbo as leader - yeah, amazing on the field but unfortunately off the pitch too.
Not to take from him but the drinking culture at United when Sir Alex arrived was part
of Robbo's baggage too.
And it got in the way on the field.
Not for nothing there was a clean-out.
I'm not saying it's Robbo's fault - but he certainly contributed.
Voted Keano by a hair.
Robbo as leader - yeah, amazing on the field but unfortunately off the pitch too.
Not to take from him but the drinking culture at United when Sir Alex arrived was part
of Robbo's baggage too.
And it got in the way on the field.
Not for nothing there was a clean-out.
I'm not saying it's Robbo's fault - but he certainly contributed.
It was very tounge-in-cheek and deliberately provocative -- I more or less tried to mimic the style of those childish player x vs player y 'debates' we all had in school (and which seems to still be alive today in the Messi vs Ronaldo thread(s)).Bit of a low act starting a thread calling out people for voting for Keane IMHO
I honestly did not intend to offend, and thought silly hyperbole and the little smiley would be enough to signal my intentions. Ah, well -- I'm sorry if my opening post misfired a bit, but I'm very glad to see the amount of posts, and I'm truly looking forward to reading them all (I'm a bit busy at the moment; took a quick peek here & had to explain about the tone of my OP).
If I'm being serious and not a silly fangirl, of course I know there's not much between Keane and Robson, hence my interest in discussing why we prefer one over the other.
If we're going at it 'handbags at dawn' over players, it's much more fun if it's about true United legends rather than the La Liga stars, isn't it?
I couldn't have put it better
Aye, and we fell apart without him in 1997.
From what I've heard (and seen in videos) Robson was a better attacking player than Keane. Just look at the range of goals he's scored. Otherwise they are quite evenly matched.
However I voted for Keane because I personally know how influential he was for us. The man was our driving force throughout the most successful period in our history. That speaks volumes for his greatness.
However I voted for Keane because I personally know how influential he was for us. The man was our driving force throughout the most successful period in our history. That speaks volumes for his greatness.