I didn't realise everyone in the caf was Irish.
So for those who voted Keane over Robson...
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I didn't realise everyone in the caf was Irish.
I've no issue in people saying Keano was better than Robson because he was an incredible player but Weaste said anyone who said otherwise was a 'fool' implying Keane was far better than Robbo when in reality it's down to opinion and the general consensus would be there's not a lot in it between them...
They should change the name to Green Cafe...
I'd vote for Keane over Robson, if this was a straight choice, because I don't remember Robson at his peak.
Same reason I'd vote for Giggs over Best or Cantona over Law. Hell, even Anderson over Charlton.
Not because any of those players WERE better. But i cannot make a judgement on someone that I never saw, outside of old match replays and the occasional highlight reel-package. It'd be an absurd position to take. It'd be like voting for the best song of all time, not based on whether you like or even heard it but because someone else tells you it was great.
Same reason I'd vote for Giggs over Best or Cantona over Law. Hell, even Anderson over Charlton.
Not because any of those players WERE better. But i cannot make a judgement on someone that I never saw, outside of old match replays and the occasional highlight reel-package. It'd be an absurd position to take. It'd be like voting for the best song of all time, not based on whether you like or even heard it but because someone else tells you it was great.
I think Robson was probably a better player than Keane but i'd rather have Keane in my team.
Its difficult, both were tremendous players, but Keane did have a better supporting cast in the likes of Beckham, Schmeichel, Giggs and Cantona.
Robson played in much lesser sides, and managed to carry United on numerous occasions.
Robson had the better perm.
Robson played in much lesser sides, and managed to carry United on numerous occasions.
Robson had the better perm.
Ha what were you expecting this highly subjective, unrepresentative, unofficial and altogether pretty pointless poll to achieve...?
You've never seen Robbo but you "completely agree"?
He reckons Keane had everything Robbo did & more? A quick check at their goalscoring records shows this is total nonsense so what are you completely agreeing with
i've seen both play.
i'd vote for Keane over Robson.
Because Keane made a greater contribution to United in his time.
Both cracking players to be fair - Robbo was class.
i'd vote for Keane over Robson.
Because Keane made a greater contribution to United in his time.
Both cracking players to be fair - Robbo was class.
very good point.
I have seen both play many many times , both players brought different things to the team , but for me Robson just shades it , he was the stand out player in a team that struggled to win anything.
nothing wrong with that ,Irwin was a class player that does not get the credit he deserves , OK he was not in the superstar class ,but he never had a bad game was Mr Dependable.
Way better than JOS.
...in Randall's thread - why?
My inner 9 year old wants to shout 'How could you, ignorant swine?!?' - but that's hardly a great invitation to a decent discussion, is it? And I honestly understand that those of you who weren't there during Robson's pomp won't really be able to comprehend the vast difference between the two.
I have to admit, to me it's like voting for Messi over Maradona just because you weren't there to watch Maradona.
So, do your worst trying to convince me Keane is even fit to shine Robbo's boots!
There was no vast difference. Having watched both right through their careers it's hard to separate them. They both gave absolutely everything on the pitch. Drove the team on at all times. Robson had great ability and Keane was a far more gifted footballer than seems to be the accepted opinion these days despite his own self effacing evaluation. Robson scored more but Keane was no slouch there either and scored crucial goals his whole career. Both born winners and we are lucky to have had both. If I had to choose it would be Keane.
Not fit to lace Robson's boots
If you dont agree give reasons why , FFS not just a smiley face
A green smiley is all it deserved
JOS over Irwin, how on earth could you take that seriously!
Keane - 33 in 326 games for United. 9 in 67 for Ireland
Robson - 74 in 345 games for United. 26 in 90 for England.
That's a vast difference. Keane simply wasn't a "goalscoring midfielder", Robson was!
What about the tools who voted no for goal line technology??
Also, the people who voted that Ronaldo was better than Messi, but Messi was in Maradona/Pele bracket.
Were the questions 'who is better?' ? I don't think it was.
I was personally torn. On Ronaldo vs Messi, I understand Messi is the better at the moment, but that wasn't the question. Ronaldo played for United and has given me better memories, so I chose him.
Regarding Keane vs Robson. Suggesting that someone is crazy for voting one or the other is an insult to the other player.
Besides the fact that I'm 26 (Robson retired in '94 when I was 9), Keane won everything and is widely regarded as one of the best players this club has ever had. So it's hardly a ridiculous call.
They shouldn't. Which is why I didn't.
I said robson was the better goalscorer. The word vast was used in defining the difference between the two players overall. And it's completely wrong
I agree, the differences between the to is very very small and I suspect age of the votes has a big say in it.
I haven't seen Robson playing and usually don't comment on players I've never seen in full action, but that thread didn't allow comments. I opted for Keane because I love Keane, at the end of the day it was a 'for Keane vote', not an 'against Robson vote'.
Wiki says Robson scored 99 in 461 for United, in all competitions. Which is seriously impressive.
Not sure comparing goal tallys is fair, as Robson never went through the same change in role that Keane went through during his latter years at the club. I would imagine Keane scored a lot more frequently in the earlier part of his United career, before Fergie started experimenting with 451 and using Keane as a primarily defensive midfielder.
I can't remember Robbo's career as clearly but I'm fairly sure he spent all of it during the much more gung ho days of 442 and attack, attack, attack (Atkinson and the early years of Fergie's reign) with both our central midfielders encouraged to charge forward whenever possible. Great fun to watch but considerably less effective and less succesful.
That said, I don't think anyone would argue that Robbo wasn't the better goal-scorer of the two. Keane was a significant goal threat too, though, especially in the first half of his United career.
Not sure comparing goal tallys is fair, as Robson never went through the same change in role that Keane went through during his latter years at the club. I would imagine Keane scored a lot more frequently in the earlier part of his United career, before Fergie started experimenting with 451 and using Keane as a primarily defensive midfielder.
I can't remember Robbo's career as clearly but I'm fairly sure he spent all of it during the much more gung ho days of 442 and attack, attack, attack (Atkinson and the early years of Fergie's reign) with both our central midfielders encouraged to charge forward whenever possible. Great fun to watch but considerably less effective and less succesful.
That said, I don't think anyone would argue that Robbo wasn't the better goal-scorer of the two. Keane was a significant goal threat too, though, especially in the first half of his United career.
Just look up a YouTube compilation of Robson. He scored all kinds of goals. Volleys, free-kicks, long-rangers, surging runs from midfield, with either foot etc:
I'm too young to remember Robbo but I never saw Keane score such a large variety of goals.
I'm too young to remember Robbo but I never saw Keane score such a large variety of goals.
re Ferguson picking Neville as his alltime best rightback.
Rightback most have been a rather uninspiring position for your lot over the years.
Rightback most have been a rather uninspiring position for your lot over the years.
Bearing in mind Neville consistently kept Liverpool's equivalent out of the England team over the same period of time, I don't think you're in a position to talk.
Surely you just don't vote then? it is not compulsory.
To be at least worth reading and to give a small impression of the consensus of opinion on the subjects, I'd have thought. The people voting for Keane by default give a false impression and stop it from doing even that.
To assume it had no purpose whatsoever would be to say that it's just a boring, meaningless list. I think that's a bit harsh.
I was just saying that if you had to vote for Keane purely because you'd seen him and not Robson then there's as much reason to not do it at all, if not more so. All it does is make it less representative than it was, there's no minute positive effect. Besides mindless procrastination, I guess.
It was hardly scientific research. Just two players names. With people asked to choose whicih one they prefer.
As others have already pointed out, some people chose Ronaldo over Messi because they prefer him because of his connection with United whilst still aware that Messi is the better player.
Stands to reason that people who grew up watching a Keane-inspired United team will prefer him to a player they may not have ever watched play.
As others have already pointed out, some people chose Ronaldo over Messi because they prefer him because of his connection with United whilst still aware that Messi is the better player.
Stands to reason that people who grew up watching a Keane-inspired United team will prefer him to a player they may not have ever watched play.
I saw some of Robson in his twilight years for us, but obviously loads of Keane. In an all conquering team littered with talent, Keane didn't give a feck about reputations, grabbed us by the scruff of the neck and dragged us through games. That's why I prefer him, and I couldn't give a flying feck about direct comparisons because truth be told if we could get one back (in their prime of course) for this united team, either would fit straight in and dominate the game. Both genuine legends.
People younger then me picking Robson is ridiculous...
I said "almost everything and more", so don't misquote me. Keane scored about 50% of the number of goals that Robson scored, that's the "almost", however, that was never the question at hand as we're not comparing strikers here. Keane was overall the more complete central midfielder which also includes defensive duties, leadership, tactical awareness, and passing skill.
But we weren't even asked to do that.
The thread title is:
No comments just answers Please
The opening post is:
Messi or Ronaldo
Robson or Keane
etc.
Call me a pedant, but that could've been interpreted in a number of ways. People saying you shouldn't vote if x, y, z or don't qualify are being ridiculous.
People get so caught up in the internet sometimes.
Sorry Weaste but even in a warped world 50% is certainly not "almost".
It would not be almost if that was the only criteria that you were making the comparison on, no. But we're comparing them as central midfielders, not centre forwards. What you are basically saying here, and it's putting Robson down IMO, is that he should only be judged in terms of contribution on the number of goals that he scored, which is clearly disrespectful nonsense.
How is it disrespectful to describe Robson as what he was, a goalscoring midfielder.
Keane wasn't this and that's why you can't say that he had almost everything Robson had and more because quite frankly he didn't, he wasn't anywhere close to the goal threat Robbo was.
Saying Robbo had "almost" everything Keane had (leadership, tough tackling, passing) and more (a massive goal threat) would've been closer to the truth. You may even think this but still think that Robson's "almosts" still make him an inferior player to Keane.
Goalscoring is certainly the area where one of them stands out, unless you can tell me something Keane was most certainly 50% better than Robbo at?