Sir Jim Ratcliffe: I want to buy Manchester United | Will make a bid for the club [Telegraph]

crossy1686 said:
Yeah it's worthless, the people buying it aren't buying it because they want to own the club, they're buying it because they think it's going to make a big move upwards soon, most likely because they know something is about to happen that's a positive catalyst for the stock and they will sell on that news. In our case that would be the Glazer's selling part or all of their stake.
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Selling it to Apollo who want to start their own sports specific team…
 
Tarrou said:
why is he a parasite? I don't know much about him

there are no good billionaires though
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He's a Tory, hates unions, doesn't really give a shit about his workers etc. There's no such thing as a good billionaire, to make that much money you're taking it from other people somewhere in the chain.
 
Ema_datsi said:
MarketCap: 1,885 (as of 31-Aug-22)
Cash: 95.8 (as of 31-Mar-22)
Total Debt: 596.1 (as of 31-Mar-22)
Enterprise Value: 2,385.3 million pounds

Assuming a takeover price of 5bil, is an additional 2.6 bil justified in premium?
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Buying football clubs is not a mathematical decision but even so - our revenue is c.£500mn and at 8x revenue, it's not really that expensive based on fundamentals.

crossy1686 said:
He's a Tory, hates unions, doesn't really give a shit about his workers etc. There's no such thing as a good billionaire, to make that much money you're taking it from other people somewhere in the chain.
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Ardent Brexiteer and his company is hardly in the ethical business but at least he's a United fan and this is what concerns me.
 
crossy1686 said:
They pulled out the other week. I think we'll get news on Friday/this weekend maybe. Could be a consortium, could be an individual investor.
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Goldbridge, as much as people hate him, has suggested there's serious interest from people outside of Knighton (who was just trying to force others' hand) and Ratcliffe.

I believe him because any sensible buyer would try to get fans and influencers onside beforehand.
 
stw2022 said:
Billionaires aren't like us. They don't think "feck if I sold up I could move to the Bahamas buy a yacht and just sit on beach all day" because they do that anyway.

The Glazers aren't going anywhere and that's been clear for years. Ownership of the club and the doors the will open over many years is far more valuable than £4bn in bank and someone suggesting they go on the piss to Magaluf because they're minted. They're not going to sell so they can act like some lads on tour tossers whose rich aunt just died.


Billionaire aren't so taken aback by their wealth as we are that they'll sell up and live like a lottery winner. That's why companies aren't sold every five minutes. They don't think "feck me, imagine how many Benson I could buy with this"
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Great post. No sudden wealth syndrome for the Glazers if they sell.

However they don't want to and won't sell. Newcastles new owners came for United first and the Glazers said no. They're much much richer than Man City or PSG's owners.

If there was a chance the Glazers were going to sell they'd have sold it to them.
 
MrSingh2002 said:
Great post. No sudden wealth syndrome for the Glazers if they sell.

However they don't want to and won't sell. Newcastles new owners came for United first and the Glazers said no. They're much much richer than Man City or PSG's owners.

If there was a chance the Glazers were going to sell they'd have sold it to them.
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They will sell if we keep underperforming on the pitch - if we can't break into the Top 4 for consecutive years, they will sell. I doubt we will finish in the Top 4 this season - that's two seasons in a row already.
 
George The Best said:
That’s not an answer to to the question I asked - and who are “we”
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Ehh? Are you purposely being a WUM. Of course, I mean United and you cannot acquire 25% of the stock if 25% is not traded which is what the whole discussion was about.

You can try guessing at private market transactions but you might as well guess the lottery numbers
 
One of the 'better' reporters said before JR announced his intention, that utd will be sold within the next 24 months. Now the glazers have spent heavily to improve the team more than they normally would. May be nothing, may be something.
 
crossy1686 said:
He's a Tory, hates unions, doesn't really give a shit about his workers etc. There's no such thing as a good billionaire, to make that much money you're taking it from other people somewhere in the chain.
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you could’ve just stopped at Tory

it’s enough for me :lol:

cheers for the reply
 
crossy1686 said:
He's a Tory, hates unions, doesn't really give a shit about his workers etc. There's no such thing as a good billionaire, to make that much money you're taking it from other people somewhere in the chain.
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Let's not forget he was an ardent Brextier, who then moved production of his 4x4s to France...

But as you said, no good billionaires, and he's bettet than the Glazers..
 
MrSingh2002 said:
Great post. No sudden wealth syndrome for the Glazers if they sell.

However they don't want to and won't sell. Newcastles new owners came for United first and the Glazers said no. They're much much richer than Man City or PSG's owners.

If there was a chance the Glazers were going to sell they'd have sold it to them.
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There is a lot of reports that the majority of the glazers want to sell, just because they said no before doesn't mean there never going to say yes, People quite often change their mind.
 
Tarrou said:
you could’ve just stopped at Tory

it’s enough for me :lol:

cheers for the reply
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:lol:Christ, if he's the hero we need right now it's from one set of cnuts to another.
 
MrSingh2002 said:
Great post. No sudden wealth syndrome for the Glazers if they sell.

However they don't want to and won't sell. Newcastles new owners came for United first and the Glazers said no. They're much much richer than Man City or PSG's owners.

If there was a chance the Glazers were going to sell they'd have sold it to them.
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Not really, they know another buyer willing to drop big money on United will be along next season and the season after. United aren't short of potential suitors, it's all down to their desire to sell. Newcastle's new owners weren't their last chance to get out.

It's also down to the type of deal also. The Saudis don't want to part own 10% of United for a while, they want full control today. The Glazers don't want that kind of deal at present.
 
red thru&thru said:
@crossy1686 any updates/unusual activity with the Man Utd ticker?
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Nothing new on the stock front. Usually after the volume pop you get day traders following the unusual volume and buying the stock. Then most of them sell off before the weekend because they don’t want to hold longer than a day or so.

All that happened as expected but the stock is still higher than it was before the pop and it’s putting in higher lows (stock term for increasing price over long term).

I still think the original pop is based on someone knowing something that isn’t public knowledge yet, it was too random to move like that otherwise. I also think that United reportedly had £120m to spend this summer and spent a £100m more than that so perhaps the new investor is already active within the club? I’m speculating at this point but there’s a few things that don’t really add up at the moment.

We’ll know more in the coming week I think. Might take longer though, don’t be surprised if it’s a month before we hear anything concrete.
 
crossy1686 said:
Nothing new on the stock front. Usually after the volume pop you get day traders following the unusual volume and buying the stock. Then most of them sell off before the weekend because they don’t want to hold longer than a day or so.

All that happened as expected but the stock is still higher than it was before the pop and it’s putting in higher lows (stock term for increasing price over long term).

I still think the original pop is based on someone knowing something that isn’t public knowledge yet, it was too random to move like that otherwise. I also think that United reportedly had £120m to spend this summer and spent a £100m more than that so perhaps the new investor is already active within the club? I’m speculating at this point but there’s a few things that don’t really add up at the moment.

We’ll know more in the coming week I think. Might take longer though, don’t be surprised if it’s a month before we hear anything concrete.
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Thanks Crossy, appreciate your eyes from the stock and financial side as it does sound like something is up. To spend the extra 100 million, not of their won money though, get us near the top and sell at a higher amount.
 
crossy1686 said:
Nothing new on the stock front. Usually after the volume pop you get day traders following the unusual volume and buying the stock. Then most of them sell off before the weekend because they don’t want to hold longer than a day or so.

All that happened as expected but the stock is still higher than it was before the pop and it’s putting in higher lows (stock term for increasing price over long term).

I still think the original pop is based on someone knowing something that isn’t public knowledge yet, it was too random to move like that otherwise. I also think that United reportedly had £120m to spend this summer and spent a £100m more than that so perhaps the new investor is already active within the club? I’m speculating at this point but there’s a few things that don’t really add up at the moment.

We’ll know more in the coming week I think. Might take longer though, don’t be surprised if it’s a month before we hear anything concrete.
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Any call option activity? If anything that’d give some inking that somethings afoot?
 
I'm not sure there is much in the stock action. Volume is always super low anyway and the bump is likely just the takeover talk right?

More likely just scalpers
 
Tarrou said:
I'm not sure there is much in the stock action. Volume is always super low anyway and the bump is likely just the takeover talk right?

More likely just scalpers
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I would normally agree with you but the bumps have come 2 days prior to news coming out, which suggests someone knew something.
 
Rightnr said:
Goldbridge, as much as people hate him, has suggested there's serious interest from people outside of Knighton (who was just trying to force others' hand) and Ratcliffe.

I believe him because any sensible buyer would try to get fans and influencers onside beforehand.
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Goldbridge is a class A bullshitter. But I hope he is right.
 
SAF is the GOAT said:
I don't like the sound of a "buying team" because in these cases the people who put money always want a return on their investments
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The only people that will buy the club without a return on investment would be oil merchants who I'd rather fold than be owned by.
 
My guess is that when he felt protests were reaching a crescendo, Ratcliffe had a spokesperson come out and reiterate his interest in buying the club in the hope that the Glazers would be receptive to the idea of selling. It seems to me that they weren't and that nothing has really happened since.

Unfortunately I don't get the impression that things are happening behind the scenes.
 
Rightnr said:
Goldbridge, as much as people hate him, has suggested there's serious interest from people outside of Knighton (who was just trying to force others' hand) and Ratcliffe.

I believe him because any sensible buyer would try to get fans and influencers onside beforehand.
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Goldbridge doesn’t know anything that anyone on this forum doesn’t.

He doesn’t have sources. He isn’t a journalist. He’s a fictional entertainment character. He’s basically just Limmy but for Manchester United. He’s called Brent ffs.

Can we stop treating him as anything other than a joke? If people find him entertaining go for it, we all have different tastes.
 
Jam said:
Goldbridge doesn’t know anything that anyone on this forum doesn’t.

He doesn’t have sources. He isn’t a journalist. He’s a fictional entertainment character. He’s basically just Limmy but for Manchester United. He’s called Brent ffs.

Can we stop treating him as anything other than a joke? If people find him entertaining go for it, we all have different tastes.
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of course he has sources, he has journalists on his channel all the time
 
It's a soap opera. This genuinely isn't how big financial acquisitions happen. Everyone now is going to be hanging off ever word of this. More money will go towards subscriptions to read articles that saying titillating stuff such as 'Soucres say they can't not rule out interest to sell, but others can't not rule it out' than will ever be put on the table for a genuine offer.

Genuinely find it barmy people have been taken in by this. If there's genuine interest from anyone they'd keep quiet and bid. This thread will be at this for YEARS. 2025, we've just lost at home to Spurs: "Reckon they'll sell up now, Sir Jim's preparing a bit. I read about it in Gay Times and it was confirmed in Take a Break. Look at the share price, it fell by almost 6% overnight must mean something "

Only think missing is Knighton in his pyjamas claiming he's the silent partner.
 
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