Sir Jim Ratcliffe: I want to buy Manchester United | Will make a bid for the club [Telegraph]

Massive Spanner said:
It would 100% be a consortium, like Chelsea's.

And they wouldn't be the only one. Look at the amount of bidders Chelsea had!
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That's what I am thinking, yes the club could generate transfer money, but stadium and training facility upgrades would take serious money. Ideally the young teams and women need their own stadium to play in as well. I am getting carried away now. There is all that land around OT that could be used for that and other facilities for fans.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
That's what I am thinking, yes the club could generate transfer money, but stadium and training facility upgrades would take serious money. Ideally the young teams and women need their own stadium to play in as well. I am getting carried away now. There is all that land around OT that could be used for that and other facilities for fans.
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Any buyer would have to follow the Chelsea route i.e. guaranteed investment into the club, facilities, and stadium. Otherwise what's the point, we could just end up with another Glazer family.
 
Mickeza said:
Absolutely. But with that the asset price grows. Buy at 5bn, 1bn on infrastructure - in 5 years time I bet this club is worth more than 6bn to potential investors. It has huge potential still.
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Agreed, as soon as we get our vibe back (results, trophies), we would be back to the top again
 
People underestimate how much football has grown in the last 10 years and how little (relatively speaking) we've participated in this trend imho.

We might have more followers on socials but we've barely featured in the premier football club competition (the CL), especially at the sharp end of the competition.

If you go and look back at the explosion when we won the EL, just imagine United with a CL and/or a PL. Just a narrative of the 'return of the king' sort would massively hype the business value and attractiveness to sponsors, who as I've seen are not always driven by logic and hard facts when giving us money.

This, together with the massive ego boost for someone who's brought us back from the doldrums, is sufficient incentive to buy us for a motivated buyer like Ratcliffe. We often talk about the manager after SFA but imagine being the person to bring the love and hope to the club after the rats have left the ship.

At the moment, any success would feel bittersweet for me, since it would move us further away from getting rid of this 2-decades-long plague.
 
Escobar said:
You can take any company who is living on past merits or hype: at one point, the value will decrease drastically. And United is no exception. Or do you believe our reputation, potential or hype increased since 2013?
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Reputation and hype, obviously not. I’d challenge you hard on potential though. We have a huge fan following, a legacy which transcends 10 years, and operate in a market which is only flooding with more and more money. So to me, the potential right now is significantly higher than it was in 2013; under the right ownership which changes our fortune and strategy, we would without a shadow of a doubt be worth more than what we were in 2013.

To be honest I don’t even know what point we are arguing about anymore. My main points are:
1. United’s value won’t be plummeting any time soon. But with current ownership, we are no doubt walking toward that cliff even if I do think it’s many years away.
2. The tech company comparison is stupid. United has historical and evidential evidence of performance. It’s easily tangible to see what could happen financially if managed the right way. There’s evidence abundant to support that. Tech companies have initial valuations which are purely conceptual, when they may never have ever made a profit. They’re based, often, on data. And the future value of what could be done with that data. It’s a completely different ball game.
 
rpitroda said:
Reputation and hype, obviously not. I’d challenge you hard on potential though. We have a huge fan following, a legacy which transcends 10 years, and operate in a market which is only flooding with more and more money. So to me, the potential right now is significantly higher than it was in 2013; under the right ownership which changes our fortune and strategy, we would without a shadow of a doubt be worth more than what we were in 2013.

To be honest I don’t even know what point we are arguing about anymore. My main points are:
1. United’s value won’t be plummeting any time soon. But with current ownership, we are no doubt walking toward that cliff even if I do think it’s many years away.
2. The tech company comparison is stupid. United has historical and evidential evidence of performance. It’s easily tangible to see what could happen financially if managed the right way. There’s evidence abundant to support that. Tech companies have initial valuations which are purely conceptual, when they may never have ever made a profit. They’re based, often, on data. And the future value of what could be done with that data. It’s a completely different ball game.
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Cant help you if you dont see that our value will only decrease if you are not producing positive outcome.
 
Escobar said:
Cant help you if you dont see that our value will only decrease if you are not producing positive outcome.
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I never said it wouldn’t, eventually. But it sure is a naive opinion to think that it would be something that happens quickly. There are too many fundamental value-adding forces which would stop our value plummeting quickly simply because of our on field performance. Over time that does erode those fundamentals, but importantly not all of them, and also importantly it isn’t immediate. I can’t help you if you don’t understand that.
 
Forget everything else for a moment. If we just look at the potential of investing in and around the stadium, that growth would add millions in the short term, and billions over the long term.
 
rpitroda said:
I never said it wouldn’t, eventually. But it sure is a naive opinion to think that it would be something that happens quickly. There are too many fundamental value-adding forces which would stop our value plummeting quickly simply because of our on field performance. Over time that does erode those fundamentals, but importantly not all of them, and also importantly it isn’t immediate. I can’t help you if you don’t understand that.
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Who said quickly? But it surely will and has alreqdy started. Or do you think we are as attractive for an investor as 10 years ago?
 
Question for the residential stock traders and the rules around PLC companies...

We saw rumours of potential TV rights sales denied by the club, as they have a duty to confirm or deny such reports. Correct?

Following from that, there's obviously been plenty of rumours of a sale and potential buyers, Musk (jokingly maybe) and Ratcliffe. Does the club not have to confirm or deny this?
 
So you would rather the (hypothetical) new owners bought the club with their own money, then be sparing with transfer funds, than loading the debt on the club, then spending hundred's of millions on transfers, just like the Glazers.
 
Escobar said:
So by not being able to compete, not winning trophies, having bad press and huge on and off field issues we increase our value?
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Sorry mate but you’ve got no idea what drives value in a football club. Not that what you’ve listed doesn’t form part of the value but bonkers if you can’t understand all the other bits that do. You’re commenting on the wrong thread.
 
rpitroda said:
Sorry mate but you’ve got no idea what drives value in a football club. Not that what you’ve listed doesn’t form part of the value but bonkers if you can’t understand all the other bits that do. You’re commenting on the wrong thread.
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So what does?
 
It's so bittersweet with this win today because I just feel the big prize is slipping away. Ugh, come on faceless Glazers, make Joel and Avram sell their bit as well!
 
red thru&thru said:
Forget everything else for a moment. If we just look at the potential of investing in and around the stadium, that growth would add millions in the short term, and billions over the long term.
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I advocated this during the Old Trafford renovation/rebuild thread. We have so much land we could build hotels, bars, fan zones, an arena, reserve stadium and make a killing... but some people just want a pie and mash at half time and that's it.
 
Hal9000 said:
I advocated this during the Old Trafford renovation/rebuild thread. We have so much land we could build hotels, bars, fan zones, an arena, reserve stadium and make a killing... but some people just want a pie and mash at half time and that's it.
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There are times when the family want to come with me but can't, as there's nothing they can do there, of I can't get tickets for them all. So, it would be great for the family to go, get into the stadium, or a complex next door, where the family can do things, whilst the one's who have tickets, can go watch the match.

Going to a game now is no longer just going to the game and coming back. It is about the whole day experience. About the whole family. As Gary Neville said the other day, should be all about the fan experience.
 
rpitroda said:
Very much this universe. By any factual metric available.
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Nonsense. The requirement to massively upgrade the stadium at a cost running to hundreds of millions of pounds is a very important metric that points to us not being as attractive to buy as 10 years ago.
 
Nothing changes.Still need to ramp up the pressure to get the Glazers to sell and get Sir Jim in.
 
Hope Sir Jim was watching the match last night, with the atmosphere, optimism and huge potential this giant club has to offer. With any luck it might reinforce his determination to buy us more than ever.
 
LawCharltonBest said:


Apologies if it's already been posted

Athletic link is old but the tweet itself is worth noting as it's another source saying Joel is the main one attached and suggesting the other siblings are open to selling
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Avram was the one that bought the club, his dad just co-signed everything.
 
Hopefully the fans, both online and in Manchester, keep up the pressure on the Glazers. An inevitably short return to form or a few transfers don't change the big picture: we will never compete for the league with the Glazers as owners.
 
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