Agreed. It would suit the team building much better.I would sell Pogba to Juve for de Ligt and Rabiot.
The constant debate keeps happening because he's rarely ever played in the position people are constantly debating.Agreed. It would suit the team building much better.
Pogba is a great player on his day. but that’s not often enough and we constantly debate which position will get the best from him. We should give up trying to build a team around one individual and build a team that functions as a sum of all parts.
The constant debate is only because he's rarely ever played in the position people are constantly debating.
Both Mourinho and Ole have been in love with the 4-2-3-1 with Pogba as a DM, and people keep pointing out he's better elsewhere. It just keeps perpetuating because the managers keep doing it.
I remember when Ole came in and he got to play more advanced in a 4-3-3 he was top level. But that didn't last very long as Ole switched to his 4-2-3-1 and the rest is history.I feel like no matter what position we put him in we are going to have this conversation go around in circles until one day he leaves on a free transfer, having not fulfilled his potential.
The thing is, if we look at when he’s played the best football in his career it’s with Juventus alongside Pirlo and Vidal and with France alongside Kante and Matuidi. We aren’t set like thatI remember when Ole came in and he got to play more advanced in a 4-3-3 he was top level. But that didn't last very long as Ole switched to his 4-2-3-1 and the rest is history.
I agree with you it will probably happen like that, but only because he won't get an extended run in that position.
Exactly, it's an entirely different setup.The thing is, if we look at when he’s played the best football in his career it’s with Juventus alongside Pirlo and Vidal and with France alongside Kante and Matuidi. We aren’t set like that
That’s my point, we are not going to setup to get the best out of one player, nor should we. Therefore Pogba at United is an unsolvable problem.Exactly, it's an entirely different setup.
We're not setup like that (heck we don't even have a good DM) so Pogba is having to sacrifice his natural game to fit into Ole's formation. It's like Martial on the wing: you can see the quality is there but something is off, it's not 100% natural.
To be fair, that's how we've been using a lot of our players in the recent past; Square pegs in round holes.
I partially agree, but I also think rather than an unsolvable problem it's a hole we dug ourselves into.That’s my point, we are not going to setup to get the best out of one player, nor should we. Therefore Pogba at United is an unsolvable problem.
He's just recovered from Coronavirus and didn't have a proper pre-season.
He will improve a lot and will play an important role still. But yes he's shown in 4 seasons that he doesn't have the focus, consistency and desire to blend in properly here.
I could never understand why we didn't take the money and run when Barca offered 100 million.
So handicap the team for the sake of it?Basically yes, it's not so much he doesn't fit but we have alternatives in the same position that work best for how we play.
But no I would sell him as I wouldn't trust Ed and/or Ole to use those funds on what we do need.
So handicap the team for the sake of it?
That's just plain dumb.
What replacements are available that play Pogbas position better than he does?How is not selling him handicapping the team if we wouldn't use those funds to buy replacements anyway!?
What replacements are available that play Pogbas position better than he does?
We can make the team better by playing our existing players who fit better?How is not selling him handicapping the team if we wouldn't use those funds to buy replacements anyway!?
I feel like no matter what position we put him in we are going to have this conversation go around in circles until one day he leaves on a free transfer, having not fulfilled his potential.
To who? Who the hell would agree to these wages?He is not happy staying with Utd - a sale would work for both sides.
What replacements are available that play Pogbas position better than he does?
The issue is asking him to play a role that doesn’t suit him.
Exactly my thoughts.Should have sold him when we had the chance. 27 and still no consistency in his game. Would Pep or Klopp want this guy? I don't think so. Not a team player. Be better to have a less flashy midfielder who works hard and turns in 7/10 perfomances each time.
He's an embodiment of some of the issues at the club.
The best we've seen of Pogba under Ole was much further forward. I'd say the same under Jose when he linked up well with Lukaku.
We all know his weaknesses by now and yet we put him in positions he's not suited. I can't fathom why Ole doesn't get more criticism for it considering it was a frequent complaint not so long ago.
If we're going to insist on 4231 then we may as well sell him and get in more suited players.
My issue with Pogba is that he never plays for the team
Anything he does he does to showcase what he's capable of. All those tricks, stopovers and dribble are mostly unnecessary and often made us lose possession. He could have made a simple pass and move the ball smoothly but he always more often opted for fancy dribbling and kills our momentum.
He doesnt care about winning, he's all about keeping his stock up.
I'd say we'll look a better team without him. We might not look flashy enough at first but the sum will be greater without him
He spent plenty of time hanging around the Palace box, the idea that he’s some shackled holding midfielder we should all feel sorry for is hilarious. He was poor against Palace, but he wasn’t the only one. He needs to have a really good season, let’s hope he does.
