True, but Antony comes off pretty much every game and Pellestri rarely gets on, Sancho is always preferred, I think ETH needs to explain at some point why Pellestri isn't getting a chance because I don't understand why TBH
Should Ten Hag get the sack if he fails to qualify for the CL?
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Dont act stupid when you are not. You don't think attacking player coming on when we are chasing/closing the game has anything to do with other attacking player on the bench?
By your same logic Martial can only be subbed for Weghorst, and not for Sancho or Sabitzer for example?
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I can only hope that's not true.
If he somehow wants Weghorst to stay, the board should overrule him and give him absolutely zero authority on deciding what players to bring in.
If this place has no patience for Ten Hag, they'll hate him even more. It's a ridiculous suggestion at this point in time.
Unfortunately, the board's judgment isn't any better, based on what we've seen so far. They'd happily sign off on it.
Then once the new owners come in, they should absolutely bin everyone associated with that decision(if it came to that).
There is simply no chance Weghorst deserves a permanent deal.
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Agreed, but for me personally, I’m not sure that would be the end of it. It is difficult to have confidence in a Manchester United manager that thinks Weghorst is a good player that he wants to use. It then starts calling his other footballing philosophies into question.
That said, I’m in the camp of ‘he can’t possibly think Weghorst is good enough’. Although I do think he did think this in January when he brought him in, but I can excuse that error of judgment, bit can’t excuse still thinking the same after watching what we have watched for 5 months.
I'm inclined to agree. It is hard to trust a manager who has faith in Weghorst even after his performances lately.
Some of Ten Hag's decision making lately has completely perplexed me. I thought he was managing fairly well up to the league cup final. Since then though, he's unfortunately been a disaster with some of his management. I don't understand how he can justify shifting Bruno out wide to then play Weghorst in Bruno's position essentially. It's just indefensible.
Don’t think he should or would be sacked.
However, given the lead Utd had…. the shit will hit the fan big time if Utd lose top 4 to Liverpool.
However, given the lead Utd had…. the shit will hit the fan big time if Utd lose top 4 to Liverpool.
Indeed, although he’s generally impressed me and I’m giving him the benefit of the doubt due to not having much to choose from, particularly in attacking areas. However, if in a summer where he gets to continue the construction of his squad he decides voluntarily (for the second time), that he wants Weghorst in it, then it’s not unreasonable to call that into question.
At present though, the available options for rotating, trying things etc haven’t been too extensive, especially with injuries. Perhaps if McTominay were fit (another who doesn’t belong here mind), he wouldn’t have played WW in midfield against West Ham and may have been content with Scott’s additional height instead. He hasn’t had too many pieces of late.
I definitely don't think he should get sacked, but if he blows top 4 and decides to keep DDG and Wout, he'll be going into next season with a lot less goodwill and a much shorter rope - especially if new owners come in and they install their own CEO and DOF.
For the people who said no, would the answer be different if he loses out on the champions league by losing each of the next 4 games? Cos for me that probably would swing it
I mean he needed a striker and we gave him Wout even with Martials injury record and CR7 gone. That was diabolical! The glazers fecked us once again. We have one one to score goals and frankly haven’t had a good striker since RVP.
we were unlucky with Case’s two suspensions, Eriksen and Garnachos injuries…
we were unlucky with Case’s two suspensions, Eriksen and Garnachos injuries…
There are some really fukn stupid threads on here, but this one takes the whole packet of biscuits.
We finish the season by losing our next 4 games and then lose in the FA Cup Final?
That would be a disaster honestly.
We didn't give him Weghorst.
He wanted him and got him. You think the board scouted and brought in Weghorst?
Lotta posts in here gonna look very silly when we add a second cup to our 3rd place finish.
Yeah, if that happened rather than it being say 2 wins and 2 draws and Liverpool win 3 and we miss out on the champions league, if instead we just lose the next 4, would people want ten hag out? Cos at that point I would, I'd be OK for him to go another year in the first scenario but in the second case I'd want him gone
We were comfortably in 4th place. Now we are shitting ourselves. We should never have got to this point. Now all the excuses start to be paraded.
You think he would of chose an emergency loan signing if he had the chance to actually buy a proper striker? There was obviously no money available to him so who was he supposed to sign on loan instead of Weghorst?
Glad that 87% on here think that he shouldn't.
We won’t lose top four don’t fret but after the mess of last season, if in august you were offered this season would you have took it?
we finally have a bit of direction, we finally have won a trophy, it wasn’t not going to be fixed over night.
even if the unthinkable happened and we fell out of top 4 there is still a plan and a direction.
people using weghorst as an excuse? Who else could we sign Van Basten? He obviously took weghorst cause wasn’t allowed anyone else. He had the Ronaldo shite to deal with. He has had an excuse of a squad to try work with. Nearly every player he has worked with this season is a better version of last seasons. I’d advise fans to be patient.
we finally have a bit of direction, we finally have won a trophy, it wasn’t not going to be fixed over night.
even if the unthinkable happened and we fell out of top 4 there is still a plan and a direction.
people using weghorst as an excuse? Who else could we sign Van Basten? He obviously took weghorst cause wasn’t allowed anyone else. He had the Ronaldo shite to deal with. He has had an excuse of a squad to try work with. Nearly every player he has worked with this season is a better version of last seasons. I’d advise fans to be patient.
I think he needs to go regardless of the top 4 or not. He just does not seem to be the man unfortunately, the sooner we change it the sooner we can find the right man. Lets end this misery. We have not made any progress since Ole was here, and we sacked a club legend for similar results, why should Seven Haag get a longer rope?
If Ten Hag signs him on a permanent deal I would seriously question if he's the man to take us forward.
They plugged the plug, and won 3 champions league in 3 years. As many as the mighty Man United have won in their whole history. Shows you how we overate ourselves/club and United Way & United DNA.
Chelsea have won 2 Champions League in the last 11 years, United have won 2 Champions League in over last 50 years.
Before Pep, City had gone 4 seasons with 1 League title. After Pep City have gone 6 seasons with 4 titles. If you add this season it will be 7 seasons with 5 league titles.
Yes football is a cycle but a manager is the most important figure. A good manager will absolutely change the direction of the club, that's why poor managers get sack almost within 1-2 years in demanding clubs.
Is ETH a poor manager or elite manager? now we can't tell for sure so we give him the benefit of the doubt.
I believe ETH has never competed in Champions League final in is career, he has competed only once in Champions League semi final. I believe he has never competed in any European Final.
His competitors in England Pep, Klopp have been in multiples Champions League finals, successive Champions League Semi finals. Other European finals.
As you can see, ETH is very inexperienced against his main competitors but we can say he is a manager on upward trend. Also results this season show he is inexperienced in some squad management and team structure.
What people need to understand is he can come short of Pep and Klopp. Guys have to accept it can go both ways so we need to be sober to the fact he is facing considerable competition.
We give him another season, as we look for pointers of if he has learnt his lessons about premier league. Because to win the league you need around 29-30 wins. Both Arsenal & City are at 26 -25 wins now with maximum of 30 -28 wins respectively.
So the question is can Ten Hag deliver a 30 outright wins in a Premier League Season? Can he control 30 games outright in a 38 games season?
That's the main question we should be asking ourselves
Because winning the League means you were the best team in the country, winning any cup competitions means you had a better season, with the degree of better season determined by the cup competition won. ( Carabao Cup is not equal to Champions League )
Since the poll is unequivocal with nearly 90% of us knowing such a move would be ridiculous, why even keep the thread open? It's mainly just people saying it's a stupid idea, with the occasional crank popping up talking nonsense.
Besides, it's built on a false premise that United managers are sacked for not making it to the Champions League. There is a correlation, sure, but only Moyes and Van Gaal lost their jobs at this precise point - making the most recent example of it happening nearly 7 years ago. Rangnick doesn't count as he was never going to stay anyway.
Mourinho went mid way through the season when we were still in the Champions League, Solskjaer ditto. The reason was because they'd lost the dressing room and the results and football had gone to shit.
In the case of Van Gaal he'd also lost the dressing room and the football had gone to shit, same with Moyes. Therefore the reason for us sacking managers is more driven by factors such as these (and rightly so) rather than our CL qualification.
Besides, it's built on a false premise that United managers are sacked for not making it to the Champions League. There is a correlation, sure, but only Moyes and Van Gaal lost their jobs at this precise point - making the most recent example of it happening nearly 7 years ago. Rangnick doesn't count as he was never going to stay anyway.
Mourinho went mid way through the season when we were still in the Champions League, Solskjaer ditto. The reason was because they'd lost the dressing room and the results and football had gone to shit.
In the case of Van Gaal he'd also lost the dressing room and the football had gone to shit, same with Moyes. Therefore the reason for us sacking managers is more driven by factors such as these (and rightly so) rather than our CL qualification.
After calming down and thinking more, I changed my vote. I haven’t seen much to convince me he is that good, but it is clear that the structure above him is a far bigger problem. Changing the manager won’t change anything except worsen the problem cause then we would go for another style having even less suitable players.
Saying that, even without much financial backing, I think we should expect 73-75 points plus next season (coaching and young players like Diallo, Garnacho and Pellestri having a higher role). And if we somehow back him with 200m+ war chest, then I think we should be looking for an 80+ point season if not competing for title for him to deserve a third season.
Saying that, I also expect the new hierarchy to be far less patient, especially if Qatar buys the club so I can understand them sacking ten Hag and bringing their own manager (and supporting structure) if we do not get top 4.
Saying that, even without much financial backing, I think we should expect 73-75 points plus next season (coaching and young players like Diallo, Garnacho and Pellestri having a higher role). And if we somehow back him with 200m+ war chest, then I think we should be looking for an 80+ point season if not competing for title for him to deserve a third season.
Saying that, I also expect the new hierarchy to be far less patient, especially if Qatar buys the club so I can understand them sacking ten Hag and bringing their own manager (and supporting structure) if we do not get top 4.
Still no for me unless ETH starts WW in all these games or signs WW permanently.
For all his likability, WW has no place in a team like United and I would be terrified if ETH decides to sign WW permanently as this would mean that we have another manager with no clue whatsoever.
Personally, I’ve got no idea why anyone would want their club to be like 13 times champions league winners Real Madrid. #hollowFFS
‘We’re a clueless club for clueless people… we’ll have no winning here!’
Real Madrid is the most elite club in world football. Simply ruthless winners. At this point in time, how any Utd fan can scoff at how they operate is bonkers. Obviously they've had some government help along the way and La Liga is a bit of a mess.
Barca are a joke though.
Barca are a joke though.
Not Antony as in his performances, but the fact he’s the managers signing and his transfer fee. Anyone else would have been dropped by now, it’s like Maguire under Solskjaer.
After watching the latest 'no show' against West Ham, I think many could quite rightly think that he has 'lost the dressing room' as common vernacular has it. If we were watching any other team spectacularly implode like we have we would rightly say that this team really appears not to be playing for the manager, and that it might be the fact he keeps on playing what are perceived as his favourites regardless of their form and having a constantly predictable substitution policy.
We have said exactly the same about our last few managers after false dawns, so it may be something more intrinsically rotten in the club, but I am starting to think that Ten Hag is nowhere as good as people have built him up to be. He has not been lauded done out of stupidity or blind loyalty, merely the fact we the fans desperately want it to be right, but keep being let down.
We have said exactly the same about our last few managers after false dawns, so it may be something more intrinsically rotten in the club, but I am starting to think that Ten Hag is nowhere as good as people have built him up to be. He has not been lauded done out of stupidity or blind loyalty, merely the fact we the fans desperately want it to be right, but keep being let down.
Absolutely he stays in charge.
Sacking him is just ridiculous.
Yes another diabolical season, but the club will surely stick solid with the manager.
Sacking him is just ridiculous.
Yes another diabolical season, but the club will surely stick solid with the manager.
Man like JC.
How is this even in question? If we don't get top 4 that's on the players, not ETH. We've been moving in the right direction. Put it this way. If it were up to Arsenal fans Arteta would have been fired last year. They couldn't see what he was building. It's the same with ETH. At the beginning of the year, anyone with a head on their shoulders knew that this was going to be a process. As it stands, we are ahead of where most expected to see us. So now that our expectations have risen a little bit, now all of a sudden some are questioning ETH? Give your head a shake. What a stupid pole...
Great post. The fact that people are claiming we could finish 3rd and win the FA Cup and this thread will look stupid are missing the point. The question of whether ETH is the man stood even after we beat Barca ( at least for me) and is not knee jerk. Our recent down turn in form is not shocking but something you could see coming because we just don't control games.
I see people happily ignoring this fact and blaming it on fatigue or lack of #9 but this issue has always been there and you don't need a world class #9 to be controlling games. There are massive questions going into next season, irrespective of how this season ends. Probably a large section will be placated getting top 4 but I think there are a lot of red flags that need to be addressed.
He ain't no elite manager. That much we can say with complete certainty.
An elite manager pushes ordinary players to achieve good if not great results. Even Eddie Howe is managing to do that this season with a bunch of nobodies. Klopp did that with Dortmund and Liverpool. By contrast, we have been on holiday ever since the League Cup win, because in his subconscious mind, ETH (and thus the team) has ticked the box. They have banked a cup, job done for this season, they think they can chill now.
Nothing else explains our current form.