Again I'm just asking.
And Soton this season is a different beast from last year's version, it would seem.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
Again I'm just asking.
And Soton this season is a different beast from last year's version, it would seem.
Unfortunately all I have to go on is them soundly out playing us for 90 minutes.
See previous responses.
Ffs Raoul
instant hard onYou've never really got the hang of this football supporter thing. You'd make a terrible scouser.
It's always been like this, last year we wanted Martinez, he was a genius for a few months.
Clyne as back up.
No one else.
No one else.
For what it's worth Schneiderlin has been playing well for them for a few seasons now and looks like he needs to move to a bigger club for his own sake.
Schneiderlin to Arsenal, Clyne to United, Steven Davis to Liverpool.
None for me, we can find better players for the needed positions elsewhere.
It was probably the worst United first team performance in the last 10 years and they still couldn't put us to the sword. When it mattered we had the quality to score.
And being at United is a different challenge. Ask Moyes and the numerous players that don't make the step up.
And being at United is a different challenge. Ask Moyes and the numerous players that don't make the step up.
One of the reasons I want Schneiderlin to sign for us is so he doesn't go to Arsenal. He'd improve them massively and he's exactly the sort of player, they are currently missing in their midfield.
Could you name a better defensive midfielder than Schneiderlin willing to move and potentially available?
Same here. Clyne is an interesting one and probably could be a decent backup on both flanks, but would like to see how he plays for the entire season.
Schneiderlin is very good, but I hope that we go for someone even better.
I think that's fair, he's looking like a genius getting so much out of his squad.Koeman
They out-ran us, with three 30 year olds in our squad it showed.
To be fair to those highlighting it's only 1 game, we do make everyone on the opposition team look great when we play a 352.
Schneiderlin. I reckon he'd get into every side in the league. Chelsea may be an issue but I'm not an Oscar fan so I'd push Cesc higher and have Schneiderlin beside Matic.
Strootman comes to mind.
He isn't better. They are similar level though.
Clyne would be a good back up for both Shaw and Rafael or first option when they are injured.. if not Clyne pay 40m for Azpilacueta.. or give José Rooney for him.. Its good to buy players who can paly several positions as there is not many players in the squad and we can give chance to youth as well. Schneiderlin would be a great already improvement on almost 34 yo Carrick.. and even Blind.. I like Wanyama he is 23 didnt have the best of first seasons but settled well this one, and I thinnk he can become somethink like defensive version of Yaya, who is as useful as him when playing too deep.. Wanyama has got great aggresion and strengths, and isnt bad footballer either, can do the dirty work in the middle, he is not playmaker but we already have a lot of playmakers. If he played in front of two center backs he could set a very solid base sweeping there and allow two box to box midfielders in Strootman and Herrera go forward, di Maria infront of them at the tip of the diamond... JWP is one to watch for the future fantastic technique when kicking the ball. He is something between Scholes and Beckham sort of player even not as talented arguably.. They have got plenty of young nice players like Reed or Target as well..
Van gaal knows and trusts strootman very well. Schneiderlin is great, but can he make the step up? some players can't handle being at a top club.
Schneiderlin played well at the World Cup, which is enough of a step up. Strootman has to prove that the injury isn't affecting him and can carry on playing like he did before the injury. It's also a step up from the Serie A to the EPL nowadays.
Agree that strootman has to prove his injury is behind him, but the world cup isn't an indication of anything, neither playing in the premier league, we've seen time and time again players failing after moving clubs in the same league.
Strootman was great for roma before the injury, and as i said the best thing going for him is that van gaal knows him very well and rates him very highly, mind you he still might fail at united.
Schneiderlin easily, fantastic midfielder and there is very few better than him in the league. Is great in a DM or box-to-box role too.
JWP is a good player too with a fantastic delivery, unfortunately has been out injured all season though.
JWP is a good player too with a fantastic delivery, unfortunately has been out injured all season though.
As said, its difficult to say. I wouldn't mind if the club gives a second look to Schneiderlin, Tadic, Clyne, Ward-Prowse and Wanyama to be hones. Having said that, nothing suggest its worth spending crazy money upon any of them and we all know that would be Southampton's aim if we ever end up interested in one of their players.
Schneiderlin if not Strootman. Perhaps Clyne depening on cost, but imagine Saints would want a small fortune now.
He played in a 0-0 draw against Ecuador. His impact on the whole World Cup campaign for France was virtually zero and playing against Ecuador in a dead rubber game is not much of a step up.
Still, he's very good.
If we were to buy Schneiderlin it wouldn't mean we don't need Strootman anymore. Schneiderlin is a classic holding midfielder, a deep-lying-playmaker whereas Strootman is more of a box-to-box midfielder. Schneiderlin would replace Blind/Carrick in the team and Strootman would replace Herrera/Fellaini.
Wanyama is a decent prospect, but his passing range is below average, don't think he's what we need.
I'm not sure about Clyne, there are better right-backs out there we could get. Not impressed by Alderweireld defensively by the things I've seen of him over the last 3 years, but LVG may form him, still pretty young for a CB. I've seen Mané for Salzburg and he ripped the league apart, wasn't sure he'd be good enough for the Premier League, but he's proven me wrong, let's see if he can show good performances on a regular basis.
Wanyama is a decent prospect, but his passing range is below average, don't think he's what we need.
I'm not sure about Clyne, there are better right-backs out there we could get. Not impressed by Alderweireld defensively by the things I've seen of him over the last 3 years, but LVG may form him, still pretty young for a CB. I've seen Mané for Salzburg and he ripped the league apart, wasn't sure he'd be good enough for the Premier League, but he's proven me wrong, let's see if he can show good performances on a regular basis.
We cannot buy Strootman and Schneiderlin, there'd be too many midfielders. Buying Schneiderlin to replace Carrick and Blind, both of whom have been very good for us this season, would be silly.
Well, I'm not talking about buying them in January.
I don't think having a plan to replace the 33-34 year old Carrick is silly, but I don't rate Blind as highly as some others do on here.
Also it's yet to see if Herrera and Fellaini are good enough to be starters for us IMO, so the Strootman transfer wouldn't be too shabby, assuming he gets back to his pre-injury level of course.
Wasn't really what we were discussing. The point I was making was that he wasn't fazed by the bigger occasion and pressure. I'm sure he put himself under a lot pressure to impress, since he probably wants to have a place in France's line-up.
Of course we could buy both and why not? If we want to return to being on of Europe's best teams, then there's nothing wrong with having that much depth. Both of Strootman and Schneiderlin are better players than Fellaini, although the latter has been improved this season. Especially with Carrick not getting any younger, you'd want to replace him earlier than how we did it with Scholes and Giggs.
If we bought anyone it would have to be Schneiderlin as hes their best player. In a 2 with Wanyama or Cork he gets forwards a bit more than they do, and I think in a similar way he could play on the side of a diamond.
Carrick is in his final years so we need to build around what happens next. The best part about Schneiderlin is he's the type of player who, even if he didnt play at the base of the diamond, he'd make that job so much easier for anyone else - Carrick or Blind, because he's making lots of tackles while staying in good positions to help the team
Carrick is in his final years so we need to build around what happens next. The best part about Schneiderlin is he's the type of player who, even if he didnt play at the base of the diamond, he'd make that job so much easier for anyone else - Carrick or Blind, because he's making lots of tackles while staying in good positions to help the team
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Wanyama of course. Beast of a player and has the potential to reach Yaya toures level.
Only Clyne
Schneiderlin is a very good player. But i prefer Strootman or still Vidal.
Schneiderlin is a very good player. But i prefer Strootman or still Vidal.
We could comfortably accommodate both Strootman and Schneiderlin in the squad, in my opinion. We'd have an incredibly powerful midfield as a result. It's what I'd looking at doing if it was up to me, and I'd dispense with Fletcher, Anderson and, albeit quite reluctantly, Fellaini.
I'm done with the niceties in regards to the squad now. It isn't working. Midfield options of Strootman, Schneiderlin, Herrera, Blind, Di Maria and Carrick would be genuinely excellent. Powerful, creative, dynamic and versatile. Those who don't like it would be free to leave.
Clyne is a player I'd be looking at for the right back spot, but I think Southampton would rip our eyeballs out. Best left alone, I reckon.
I'm done with the niceties in regards to the squad now. It isn't working. Midfield options of Strootman, Schneiderlin, Herrera, Blind, Di Maria and Carrick would be genuinely excellent. Powerful, creative, dynamic and versatile. Those who don't like it would be free to leave.
Clyne is a player I'd be looking at for the right back spot, but I think Southampton would rip our eyeballs out. Best left alone, I reckon.
While I've liked Blind for us, I think we still need to look at him as a temporary option/rotation player. He's a serviceable starting player for now (when he's available), but we should look to upgrade in the summer transfer window. I think Schneiderlin makes a lot of sense as his replacement. He has the physicality that Blind lacks, while still being good technically, and being better going forward. He is at a good age too, and with potential for further improvement in his game.
Only players I'd consider based on what I've seen are Schneiderlin and Ward-Prowse. Mané's shit.
Clyne would be great due to his versatility and I don't think he would cost a fortune either. Plus, I would feel more inclined to move for an English player providing he is of sufficient quality of course.
Schneiderlin is quality too, but I see him as more of an alternative to Strootman, as the combative, box-to-box midfielder required in our midfield. I don't think we need both, as Fellaini is capable of fulfilling a role here, albeit a marginalised one.
Schneiderlin is quality too, but I see him as more of an alternative to Strootman, as the combative, box-to-box midfielder required in our midfield. I don't think we need both, as Fellaini is capable of fulfilling a role here, albeit a marginalised one.
Yeah, I've only got to watch Southampton 3-4 times this season so far but Mane's delivery and final ball have been atrocious every time. He does really well to make the space for himself but then consistently picks the wrong option and even fecks up on delivering those. Maybe I've just caught him on his bad days but I've been less than impressed with him.
Just a note on Harrison Reed who made his debut against Everton in midfield this weekend and was easily one of the best players on the pitch. He made 14 tackles in his single game - only a handful of our players have made 14 tackles all season let alone in one match. Could be one to keep an eye on
They're like a factory for talent! Fair play to them, we should be trying to steal their scouts.
Clyne, Schneiderlin, Strootman and Depay/Reus would complete us imo but then we'd still need a top class centre back. Those four alone could take our spending close to or just above a hundred million pounds, a top class CB would take that figure closer to £150m and I don't know if the powers that be would allow Woodward to spend that much again. If this season ends with us attaining our major objective then we would need to sign those five players for depth, balance and general improvement so that we can at least hold our own in the CL.