So on one side you have a guy who has marked Eusebio, Muller, Dalglish, Mazzola out of the game and on the other you have one who conceded four goals in two games? I know who I would have in my side.
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So on one side you have a guy who has marked Eusebio, Muller, Dalglish, Mazzola out of the game and on the other you have one who conceded four goals in two games? I know who I would have in my side.
I mean if you have ever seen spain, city or barca in full flow pressing, passing and hounding their opponents into submission you would have an idea on how our side will win. 2mufc0 on the other hand is playing a leftback who has been poor for three years now, a cb who has a terrible record against baggio and didi in midfield who will be a passenger defensively compared to all the other midfielders on display.
He was 25 when baggio scored a hattrick and had an assist? That is early 20s? And that was a baggio that was 30.
He loses baggio for the header at the 4 min mark, misreads the ball and is slow to recover as baggio is to0 agile for him and loses him again near the end. But this guy isnt suspect, the guy who eusebio couldn't score against in 480 minutes of football is.
yap, my recent memory is a bit crap so its quite possible that his peak is also to short for all-time peak.....
While I agree with some of what you have posted, Bonhof used to mark Gerd Muller for mochengladbach and did a decent job while Hulshoff is used to covering for an attackign right back in suurbier. Both are perfectly suited for the tasked asked of them here.
How do you think 2mufc0's side is going to get the ball in midfield with passarella, nedved and bonhof all creating overloads? The side that has the ball wins the match.
The reason we used gegenpressing is because 1) Its more familiar to everyone due to Klopp and 2) its more how we want the side to play after winning the ball which I made clear in the OP. We could just as easily have said counterpressing, the rest of the side is similar to the early variation of pep's barca before they started to bore everyone with tiki-taka.
No comment on my opponents side Pillow? And did you read what I posted about Hapgood in my OP or is this another situation like saying falcao isn't a box to box?
Klopp's considerate and quiet nature will certainly help Keita reduce his propensity for stupid cards.
I think he never played on the left wing before Jupp put him there a few weeks ago, and I think he lacks the attributes for this position (both mental and physical quickness, and passing accuracy). With Alaba's mediocre form, I'd be open for him to play at left back every now and then.
I can find more quotes
I understand gengenpressing, but as I've said earlier I'm not too convinced a few of your players are suited to it. There's a lot of arguments both for and against which I'm enjoying reading and will continue to do so as the discussion carries on. I'll most likely vote late.
The only one is Baggio imo and sides have gegenpressed successfully in the past without the striker doing so. I mean Xavi and that barca side were the ones who made popular the whole concept of winning the ball back in six seconds.
Tbf, Alaba was the one of the best full backs from 2012-2015.. May not be the greatest now but at his peak he was pretty impressive..
No issues with him here or Hulshoff..
I agree with that but he was 20 back then, and we were all excited about the potential.It would be like somebody picking rafael in a draft.
No. I don't think that Iniesta ever tried to impress anyone with his game, he does it naturally and picks the most rational option, which with him, sometimes, means doing an elástico or something like that. Van Hanegem loved to be in the centre of attention, you won't see Iniesta making a pass after pass with the outside of his boot just because he can.
I'm not trying to badmouth him by the way, absolutely love watching him play.
Ahh that part I agree with, I was disagreeing with the fact that Xavi needs somebody controlling and flair-less next to him.
One thing that is being ignored here is the impact that Passarella will have on the match, 2mufc0 doesn't really have anyone who will stop him from stepping up in midfield and dominating the game through the centre.
Rafael was never one of the best full backs in the world though.
If we're going to use 3 year peaks, then he has certainly had 3 years at the top end of the game before dropping off once Pep left.
Hapgood credentials are fine, it's just the fit in your system that I'm not sure with. If you playing a normal balanced defensive line, I would not have this comment.
As to @2mufc0 standard set up. As many mentioned before, don't really like the midfield trio, esp Didi and Effenberg. But see that industrial and lacks some magic. Functional though.
Yeah but we rate players by peak and Alaba at peak was the best left back in the world.
Neither was alaba?
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1334236-ranking-the-top-15-left-backs-in-world-football#slide15
This is in 2012 before Pep joined and the way pep used alaba was not as a leftback.
Which season?And ederson at his peak was not one of the top 3 goalkeepers in the world?
No issues with Passarella moving up my midfielders feeding the pace of my front 3 works in my favour.
Hapgood was a key member of the successful Arsenal side of the 1930s(winning five league championships). The side employed a counter-attacking style and Hapgood fit the bill perfectly. As a player, he was extremely fit and quick, with excellent positional sense, outstanding heading ability and precision in the tackle. Remembered by many as being one of the few players that could contain the great Stanley Matthews, most notably in a charity game during WWII between Arsenal and an RAF XI, when Matthews was so subdued that Hapgood drew boos from the crowd for preventing them from seeing their hero dazzle with some magic. Ideal for the role of the leftback in a Passarella led defense, where he would need to be half-fullback and half-centreback.
When they won the CL who was better?
And ederson at his peak was not one of the top 3 goalkeepers in the world?
Ederson isn't even the best keeper from Brazil let alone the world.
How will they feel your front 3 without the ball?
My midfielders and defenders are more than capable of nicking the ball.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1726878-10-best-left-backs-in-world-football#slide10
This is right after the champions league, see where alaba is.
Robben or Stoichkov on the counter will toast Hapgood and Hulshoff.
Nicking the ball while being outmanned and while voronin keeps tabs on Baggio? You must have a very high opinion of didi and effenberg if you think they can keep up against four players.
I would like to see them try to do something which muller and eusebio failed at but if you want to see an attacker toasting somebody, see baggio vs ayala or imagine nedved vs alaba.
He won the best left back in Europe 2 years in a row.. Don’t think Rafael ever achieved that
Didi going under the radar here I do think he's under rated in these drafts. Really good article here:
https://worldfootballindex.com/2018/03/didi-brazilian-footballer/
https://worldfootballindex.com/2018/03/didi-brazilian-footballer/
Eusebio vs Hulshoff, you can see his pace and strength here. Although a better video of his performance against madrid is available.
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Do you mean as being part of the team of the tournament?
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You are reading the list wrong, no surprise there, cole is 10. Alaba isnt second as you would have hoped, he is ninth.
His wiki says Uefa best left back so i assume it is team of the year
That makes that article even more shite then. Plenty of drafters have picked Alaba before in the past, it's actually the first time I've seen someone attack him so much, but I guess you have to clutch at some sort of straws to big up your team.
In January 2015, Alaba was voted as the left-back in the UEFA.com Team of the Year 2014 by users (354,067 votes) for the second time in a row, after 2013.[
Its fan voting, I wouldn't trust it too much.
In 2013, when he made it the first time, the people electing the players couldn't find space for messi.
In 2014, messi makes an appearance as a RW I think.
Not sure how much credence you can give that award but fair enough, if you want to take him as the best leftback you can also accept messi wasn't among the best two strikers those years.
Its from 2013, but I supposed they did not consider how many drafters have picked him before
I just feel its a bit hypocritical of somebody to attack ederson while at the same time playing a player who has had 2/3 good years at LB. You can't have it both ways.
Clutching at straws is calling hulshoff poor while hyping up ayala.
I get why you described your tactics that way, no one wants to call his team's playing style "slow and not very direct". @Enigma_87 is the master at it, I swear his tactics are always the same:
Playing style: Direct
Defensive line: Balanced
I've tried possession types in all time drafts couple of times but you fast get tired of it as you tend to target smaller pool of players that fit exactly the same type and bad fits can lose you the game
I love direct style - much like 90's United where you move the ball fast and you play balanced defensive line - not to succumb too much pressure or play a higher line. But yeah I get your point on slow and not penetrative style, much like LvG's United.