Brandon Williams is a a great prospect. But prospect is the key word. Its typical fans ad media to start hyping any new player after a hand full of games - (See Ighalo should replace Martial all of a sudden). Shaw was player of the year last year and people say its because of Brandon he is playing well now. Its not. He has been consistent for a while. Injuries have set him back and he does have weaknesses but I could never understand why he is targeted when there are so many other issues and positions that we are much weaker in. Also his main criticism is his lack of influencing our attacking moves but I find that odd when Wan B gets a free pass by saying well he is good defensively. Both our full backs are useless in attack but defensively sound. Thats the players we we have got and we need to find a way to play with them because its just the type of players that they are.
Shaw is our best full back and best FB in Europe (edited)
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This is a great post. Also as great a prospect as people believe Williams to be, Shaw himself was an even higher rated one when he was at Southampton.
I feel that sample set of all such statements (threads these days) should be based on a longer duration. One game in and people start making sensational statements. Also applicable to the Ighalo should start over Martial thread. It's not that Shaw isn't our best FB or Ighalo could potentially do better than Martial, but it needs to tested over a longer period of time for it to be a measured opinion.
Luke has been outstanding lately, but let’s see the overall performance throughout the season.
So far, AWB is our best fullback by far. He was solid defensively since the beginning of the season. In recent games, he’s adding to his attacking play as well.
All our fullbacks including Dalot (given his fitness situation) are doing pretty well. I’m happy with this set of full backs.
So far, AWB is our best fullback by far. He was solid defensively since the beginning of the season. In recent games, he’s adding to his attacking play as well.
All our fullbacks including Dalot (given his fitness situation) are doing pretty well. I’m happy with this set of full backs.
If he can learn to cross (not just float the ball) by whipping it then he would be such a dangerous player. I haven't seen him crossing the ball where the ball curls back to attacker. His crosses are hit in straight line or just smash the ball into the box and hope for the best.
No he doesn't get free pass, there is a huge thread dedicated just to discuss his poor attacking ability.
Also this is Shaw's 7th or 8th season at ManUtd and there isn't improvement in his attacking play, this is AWB's first season for us and there is improvement in his attacking game.
IMO Shaw is better footballer but AWB is better FB.
You realise we were playing a weakened Derby County team ?
I think that's very possible, and considering attitude has been a huge question mark over Shaw throughout his United career fair play to him for reacting positively. He's left those who wanted him jettisoned this season in favour of Williams with a bit of egg on their face.
Indeed, but he's been great since his return and the competition from Brandon is really keeping him on his toes.
Being fit and on form is an ability in itself. Look at Ronaldo, look at Messi, always fit and always producing at their peak. Then look at Kane, huge question marks over his ability to perform over a full season, especially as he gets older.
Luke Shaw is not able to offer his services over 38 games and he is shattered by it, I can promise you he thinks about his leg breaking when he sees danger, and that will always take away %’s from his true ability.
Luke Shaw is not able to offer his services over 38 games and he is shattered by it, I can promise you he thinks about his leg breaking when he sees danger, and that will always take away %’s from his true ability.
Recency bias of football fans.
Awb gets free pass here and even you just did it. Modern FB, especially in big club whos goal is to dominate and attack, must play in both ways. Awb doesn't do that. He is bellow average in attack ( and i am being generous here). His ball control, crossing, dribble, cutting inside...is just not good enough. He is not bad but he is not good either. But because he plays defence very good he does get free pass. Yes, there is a thread there about his attacking game but it is far from being critical. Many posts there are diplomatic just like you did it right now. "He is not good but will improve".
For years Valencia and Young were destroyed here regarding their attacking game. Well Valencia looks like Dani Alves comparing to AWB.
No I didn't. I explained why he gets bit less of a shit than Shaw and when there is a huge thread discussing his poor attacking play, I don't know how anyone can say he gets free pass. It's like people just read what they want and draw the conclusion they want.
Every game people question AWB and even when he plays well, people question his ability as he looks awkward on the ball.
AWB contributes to more goals when compared to their time at ManUtd, AWB also wins more tackles, completes more dribbles. Have to check who creates more chances.
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This, loosing his place to Williams seems to have ignited a spark in his belly. He has been really good for a month now, long may it continue.
He's hit and miss, shows promise then falls off. I still think he needs to lose weight and then if he can keep free of injury we might at last see the best from him.
If Shaw is our best fullback we might as well retire the no.2 and no.3 shirt and just string 4 CB's across the back-line and hope for width further up the pitch, the guy is a very very limited footballer who has been living on easy street for far too long. He's improved slightly with the emergence of Brandon Williams but I doubt any of the top twenty clubs in Europe would take Shaw even on a free transfer.
I know Bailly is no.3, but you know what I mean
I know Bailly is no.3, but you know what I mean
Whatever your opinion on Shaw v Williams, having 2 players of that immediate - and potential - quality fighting over the same spot is excellent for the club. One less position to be concerned about.
When he has a good game (including in attack) yeah. But you don't rate a player off a couple of games a season. Lots of people fell into that trap with Jones and bigged him up for years (and years) because of it. Shaw is more useful than Jones, but he needs to contribute more consistently.
He's just 24 as well, his next goal is to remain injury free and consistency should come over the next coming years
Another player that has greatly improved under Ole.
Another player that has greatly improved under Ole.
I completely agree.In terms of potential and talent,it’s not even close,Luke Shaw is the most naturally gifted full back at the club.Hes been ridiculously unlucky with injuries over the years,but hopefully he’s finally turned a corner.If he stays fit,he”ll be one of the first names on the team sheet for the foreseeable future..,
To think it's taken this long for him to start showing his full potential.(Obviously his horrendous injury playing a big roll in that). Should walk into that England LB spot. Good on the lad! And yes he's our best full back!
I find it interesting (even strange?) that as a club we seem to be bucking the trend in the modern game of full backs being predominantly an attacking role, instead going for more traditional defensive full backs in both Shaw and AWB, both of whom are pretty solid defensively but not that comfortable or skilled going forward. As much as I hate to focus on them, I guess Liverpool are the standout example of the other extreme, with TAA and Robertson contributing 21 assists this season between them.
However, looking round this forum, it seems that most fans are happy with the way we're going in this department.
However, looking round this forum, it seems that most fans are happy with the way we're going in this department.
??Sorry?It means someone who’s exceptionally talented!I think you should google 'gifted'
Yeah, just wondered why you were using it to describe Like Shaw, who isn't gifted or exceptionally talented. Beyond pace and bulk he is very limited with little to no game understanding.
Williams is better dribbling, Shaw is without a doubt the better footballer. His technique is significantly better, that made him so much comfortable to defend.
Meh shaw has been underrated for ages, I’ve said for time that he’s certainly no worse than Chillwell (in fact I think he’s better)
Shaw has fantastic touch and passing, especially for a fullback. It's his offensive decision-making that holds him back (in the sense that he doesn't make the runs or take up the positions that would make him far more effective).
Im not sure his passing is that great, especially in attacking phases/transitions. Yes he’s comfortable passing laterally most top flight players are. I’m yet to see him consistently play balls through the lines and/or defeat the press with vertical play nor be a dominate attacking force for a full 90 minutes, don’t get me wrong he’s doing well but I can’t help but feel this will be an area that we look to improve upon once we sort out our glaring issues.
In the interim let’s hope the form continues
For me, Chillwell's always been a case of the grass is always greener on the other side, he's a good player but the way people went on about him you'd expect a bit more from him.
Shaw is definitely more solid and reliable than Wiliams. I'd definitely have Shaw in my first team.
Completely agree with that!
Hopefully this guy maintains his fitness while having corona time off! He's not got a great track record of doing this.
No Cheetos please Luke.
No Cheetos please Luke.
Can he play RB? No.
Just focussing on abilities, yes Shaw have the best talents balanced in both attacking and defending as a left FB. We know what the problems are.
Carrying the ball forward in the middle third of the field he has few equals in the Premier League, but at the business ends of the pitch he is seriously lacking , in defence he uses his pace well to 'get back in' when the forward has got on he wrong-side of him, which is great, but then more often than not when well positioned he doesn't stop the cross going in, and in attack he's definitely got the latter-day Nani's, when he needs to stand it up he drills it low, and when he needs to drill it low he stands it up.
Never really noticed his passing, other than his reluctant to use his weaker foot which often leads to any momentum being taken out of our attacking play as he readjusts.
The kid needs to spend the Summer staying fit, and kicking a tennis ball against a wall/garage door right-footed day and night, then we might have a player.
which really says an awful lot about him. One of a group of players who can’t be arsed unless they have to. It took a kid, playing on his wrong side to put him to shame. He’ll have to keep it up, big time, otherwise Ole will send him the same way of Lingard, Jones etc. Williams , like Greenwood is being used wisely and sparingly due to their age. Shaw is lucky he has a chance to finally shift his arse. It’ll be his last chance.
the lad has got the goods but is way behind in terms of development. As acknowledged, is seriously lacking in end product and has been awol umpteen times while his head takes a holiday whilst dreaming about meat pies. Often clueless who is supposed to be marking but maybe on the mend?
He is a really good option for England as he can also play in the LCB role and Southgate prefers the ball playing backs.