Shaw is our best full back and best FB in Europe (edited)

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There was a thread how Williams is better than Shaw so why not to go in opposite way. When he is in form and fit ( which is not that often i know) i think that he is excellent full back and better than AWB( and other full backs). He does similiar job as AWB in defence but on different way. AWB chase attackers and tries to solve most situations with tackles and Shaw just position himself better in defence and don't give space to attackers to go past him.
In attack i think that nobody can't deny that Shaw is a clear winner.

To be clear here; i am not saying that AWB is bad player. I just think that Shaw is more modern full back than AWB.
 
He was cruising without putting in enough effort. Williams getting in the first team has given him a royal kick up the arse and I'm very happy about it.
 
I think Williams has a higher ceiling but if ever there is evidence needed that competition for spots is essential to motivating players and keeping them sharp then look no further.
 
Shaw is better when there's something to light a fire under him - see: Mourinho, Williams. Some players can motivate themselves but others need a catalyst.
 
Shaw is our best LB and he is in very good form. Hopefully he will keep this up.
 
He has been brilliant recently, one of our best players nevermind fullback
 
Damien said:
Shaw is better when there's something to light a fire under him - see: Mourinho, Williams. Some players can motivate themselves but others need a catalyst.
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Basically, Shaw's biggest enemy is himself. That, and cookies.
 
Shaw is just nowhere near consistent enough to be considered a really good player. A typical Shaw season is 10 good games, 20 average games and the rest out injured. Nowhere near the required standard. AWB is limited in attack, but he's been a very reliable defender all season. Shaw is pretty much the opposite of reliable.
 
Andycoleno9 said:
:). You answered on question like true politician
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I have answered to the point.

If you need more detailed one then no, he isn't better defensively than AWB and no he doesn't cover the space well. He gives too much space for wingers.

Shaw has contributed to 5 goals in last 2 league seasons and 8 goals in his PL career which is around 8 seasons. AWB in last 2 seasons has contributed to 5 PL goals.

If you count dribbles completed then AWB wins it easily too.

I rate Shaw as better footballer though, his touch and passing is good.
 
Technically he's very good, has pace and is a good defender. Shame hes not had the stamina and seemed not arsed for stretches of his United career. He's talented enough to be top class, question is whether he wants it.
 
Shaw was getting comfortable here and needed a kick in the backside. Think it worked bringing in Williams.
 
Surprised that some thought he was done, and was mocking him like a Phil jones. This was our BPOTY last season,a nd he's showing that form again.
 
This should be his minimum level though. With the ability he has he is capable of doing even better still.
 
Quick google search confirms Shaw is indeed a dad.
 
Williams and him will continue to be very good for each other.

I know attacking is practically all that matters with fullbacks these days for a lot of people, but I'm perfectly happy with the balance Shaw and AWB bring. Both can attack, and we've seen good assists from both, but first and foremost when they're in this form they make our defence look so solid, and that gives our midfielders much more freedom to go and do their thing.
 
The Wayne Rooney of fullbacks, and by that I don’t mind his size. He makes the game look so easy and casual for him with his technical ability a cut above the rest
 
Rio just now on BT Sport said he asked Ole on one of his first training sessions as manager how he'd manage Luke Shaw. Ole replied with "Luke's shown me something already, I'll get the best out of him".


Player and manager each deserve credit for the upturn here.
 
Zoo said:
This should be his minimum level though. With the ability he has he is capable of doing even better still.
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His last game where he played left cb in a back 3 impressed me even more. The way he slotted into a new position so naturally, remember this is the guy who Mourinho said lacked a tactical brain, and needed him to control him from the sidelines.
 
Andycoleno9 said:
There was a thread how Williams is better than Shaw so why not to go in opposite way. When he is in form and fit ( which is not that often i know) i think that he is excellent full back and better than AWB( and other full backs). He does similiar job as AWB in defence but on different way. AWB chase attackers and tries to solve most situations with tackles and Shaw just position himself better in defence and don't give space to attackers to go past him.
In attack i think that nobody can't deny that Shaw is a clear winner.

To be clear here; i am not saying that AWB is bad player. I just think that Shaw is more modern full back than AWB.
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I think when our midfield was paper thin both should have played- with Williams as LM.
 
Shaws always been good when he gets a run of games - injury and manager permitting.
 
When he plays like that, he absolutely is.

Just has to keep it up.
 
Vidyoyo said:
He was cruising without putting in enough effort. Williams getting in the first team has given him a royal kick up the arse and I'm very happy about it.
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Spot on.
 
He has been constantly brilliant for 2 months now. Brandon pushing him has helped. Made a few on here eat their words. Hes been motm at least 2 -3 times, unusual for a FB.
 
I made that Williams thread. I think he's the better option. Shaw has upped his game a bit. He was decent tonight and our best player, but we played against an absolutely woeful side.

For some games Shaw is the better option (when we have little possession) and for others it's Williams. If I had to choose which one I'd prefer for 38 Premier League games I'd go for Williams. How many times has Shaw had a short purple patch? Once or twice when he's been rewarded with a new contract (a very unmerited wage btw) and now that he's got competition. By and large he's been way below expectations.

In many ways he's resembled our club over recent years. A few false dawns and lots of disappointment. Maybe this time eh...
 
In some ways he and Martial are quite similar — both are technically fantastic in their positions but injury niggles and questions of motivation and effort constantly plague both. It always feels like they’re playing a gear below what they could be playing at.
 
If the title read Shaw is our best LCB i'd agree.

He's been ok at LB lately, but still no Evra though.
 
It’s always important to understand what motivates the individual. It seems that in Luke Shaw’s case it might be the competition.
 
Ander and Shaw: the last signings before the club started backing mangers targets more than the players the scouting team were identifying? Back to it now with Bruno, Fred, Awb, Maguire etc? We backed the wrong people far too much. I’m happy enough without a dof if Ed isn’t involved in the scouting and there is a world class team behind the scenes analysing every player out there and they are taking the power back from the manager and always building for the future from now on.
 
He's looked infinitely better lately, hopefully Williams keeps him on his toes indefinitely because this version of Shaw is the best version we've seen in his United career.
 
VP89 said:
Rio just now on BT Sport said he asked Ole on one of his first training sessions as manager how he'd manage Luke Shaw. Ole replied with "Luke's shown me something already, I'll get the best out of him".
Player and manager each deserve credit for the upturn here.
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He must have showed him 3 empty kebab bags and told him he was going to eat just 1 a day in future.
 
EwanI Ted said:
Shaw is just nowhere near consistent enough to be considered a really good player. A typical Shaw season is 10 good games, 20 average games and the rest out injured. Nowhere near the required standard. AWB is limited in attack, but he's been a very reliable defender all season. Shaw is pretty much the opposite of reliable.
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Unfortunately, I agree with this.
 
I think credit also needs to go to Solskjær for this upturn in form. He has not been afraid of using a young Williams, which must have made Shaw realise that he is not entitled to a place in the team. Great management if you ask me.
 
Shaw has always been incredibly talented. Whenever he gets a proper run of games he proves that.

His problem is that when he misses game, it’s seems to take him weeks to play himself back into form.
 
Finally getting back to the real Luke Shaw ? Lord knows it’s been a while. Delighted about the goal too, excellent game from him.
 
Lentwood said:
Shaw has always been incredibly talented. Whenever he gets a proper run of games he proves that.

His problem is that when he misses game, it’s seems to take him weeks to play himself back into form.
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This. Shaws always been a stupidly talented footballer - the guys got the size and frame to play CB, is very quick and has a touch good enough for a midfielder to boot. There's a reason, he was a very good PL player from age 17.
 
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