I have nothing at all against the rules. I don’t disagree that Seedorf qualifies but saying his 20 good but not amazing performances for Inter in 99/00 puts him ‘in a different league’ to Tacchinardi is exaggerated. Tacchinardi had stiff competition from some exceptional players at Juventus. The fact he got as many games as he did is impressive.
Serie A 90's Draft Round 1 - harms vs Oaencha
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Not really, but I feel that it's not the point that we'll agree on
I'd like a solid partnership set up to try to limit him. All though he did spent time all over the place, quite a fair bit of the time he was central or in the left hand channel. I'd like an explanation on how a Defnesive mid, right back and the right hand sided center back will handle him. All would need to be quality players and then perhaps an arguement on how he could be limited could come up.
Nesta says there's absolutely nothing he could've done that day any different, said he analysed the game over and over and it wasn't poor defending on his part just exceptional attacking by Ronaldo.
Yeah, I've had part of that quote in my OP, actually. Mind-blowing performance, really.
At least I've rewatched tons of Ronaldo's games for this draft, simply magical.
You should get a proper striker in your team if you win the game(you guys take each other's players iirc?or is it not like that anymore?). When Ronaldo played with Romario he really showed a different level of player. He had the freedom while Romario would be the wall and play with his touch. The combination play was unreal.
Ronaldo was incredible and hard to stop, no doubt. This is one of the reasons I focused on attack. I was pretty positive Harms would use a back three and I don’t think his defence can handle my different attacking options.
For Real. At Samp (before) Seedorf-Karembeu were the midfield pair.
Ronaldo was great beside Zamorano as well. That’s one of the reasons I paired him with Inzaghi; he brings out the best in his partner.
Which were very good. In any case, I d9n't understand this fixation with Seedorf vs Tacchinardi when Alessio is most likely minding Djorkaeff and largely occupied with closing gaps/space rather than in some gladiator contest.
Although Zola already determined my vote, Zamorano at Inter was way off his peak.
The UEFA Cup doesn't count you giant bellend
I agree he wasn’t at his very peak but I feel his time at Inter is underrated. His numbers aren’t incredible but he worked tirelessly for the team. Do you not rate his time in Serie A?
The only reason I was debating it was because Harms said Tacchinardi was good-ish and that pre-peak Seedorf was in a different league to him. I feel that’s exaggerated, Harms doesn’t. We left it there.
Inter Zamorano is exactly the sort of player you want against Montero and Ferrara. He has the thankless task of drawing them on, battling it out and getting bashed many times over to isolate Pippo on Grun. Few players could execute that so well and so willingly.
Overall quality he is right, but different roles/tasks and types of players. It's completely irrelevant.
The UEFA Cup doesn't count you giant bellend
Yeah, but it's the closest to a real match between these two in this era. I think Ronaldo was at his peak and Nesta was not. Makes a difference.
On that basis we may as well consider World Cups, Euros, CL and whatnot. Makes a difference.
At the beginning of each write up it says ‘Performances outside this timeframe or other competitions do not count’. That UEFA Cup match was a one off cup game outside of these parameters. Anything can happen in one match. Both Nesta and Ronaldo were excellent in the league.
Not sure what this argument is about but Ronaldo scored a hat trick in this match. 'Played notyetfatboy.
Not NT because that is a different dynamic. But I won't be swayed purely by a not draft criteria cup performance, but I won't ignore either.
Fair point.
This is going to go down to the wire. I feel I have a major advantage down both wings against Harm’s back three. Here are some compilations of Zanetti and Candela causing havoc down their respective sides.
And any excuse to post of a video of this genius. If Ronaldo gets past Nesta he still has this imposing figure to beat.
Going to sleep, so a couple of points that are still bothering me.
- Oaencha has 4 players who aren't involved in ANY defending (by his own admission). One of those players are hardly involved in the game at all, trying not to get in offside position With only 6 players involved in the defensive phase at all hey are simply going to get murdered here — and there are too many not GOAT links for Ronaldo & co to exploit
- Baldini - a weak link in the defence, not only against my GOAT attacker in Ronaldo, but he isn't a match for Massaro or Djorkaeff either
- Oaencha keeps insisting that his fullbacks are very attacking — in fact, he claims that he'll dominate the flanks, even though they are their only wide players. With that in mind, I think his back 4 becomes even more suspect; and Baldini is going to get even more exposed
- Nesta vs Ronaldo. UEFA Cup excluded, Ronaldo still have an upper hand — as you can see in the league games of Inter vs Lazio in 1997/98
- Seedorf is quite great — at this point he was already 2 times Dutch player of the year, CL winner with Ajax and Madrid and a key performer in Inter's biggest games; on the other hand Tacchinardi, for example, only played 1 season as a starter in the 90's — he was a squad player for 7 (!!) other seasons;
To address Harm’s points
1) Inzaghi, Zamorano, Zola and Nakata are not defending, true.
To put it in perspective though you have Ronaldo, Djorkaeff and Massaro who are not defending. In addition you are playing with two not particularly defensive wing backs who are pretty high up the pitch.
Montero, Ferrara and Grun are very exposed and will be overwhelmed by Inzaghi and Zamorano in the box, Zola completely unchecked behind them, Nakata speeding forward behind him and Candela/Zanetti via the wings.
2 + 3) You keep mentioning Baldini as if he’s the only defensive player. Even if we don’t include Nesta... Zanetti and Candela will only get forward when the team attacks and Tacchinardi is playing in front of the defence. Boghossian will also drop back if needed. Plenty of defensive cover.
4) Yes, Ronaldo is amazing. Nesta is a quality player though and one of the few centre backs in the draft who could potentially make a difference against him.
5) I’m not going over the Seedorf/Tacchinardi debate again with you. We both think eachother are wrong so let’s please leave it be.
1) Inzaghi, Zamorano, Zola and Nakata are not defending, true.
To put it in perspective though you have Ronaldo, Djorkaeff and Massaro who are not defending. In addition you are playing with two not particularly defensive wing backs who are pretty high up the pitch.
Montero, Ferrara and Grun are very exposed and will be overwhelmed by Inzaghi and Zamorano in the box, Zola completely unchecked behind them, Nakata speeding forward behind him and Candela/Zanetti via the wings.
2 + 3) You keep mentioning Baldini as if he’s the only defensive player. Even if we don’t include Nesta... Zanetti and Candela will only get forward when the team attacks and Tacchinardi is playing in front of the defence. Boghossian will also drop back if needed. Plenty of defensive cover.
4) Yes, Ronaldo is amazing. Nesta is a quality player though and one of the few centre backs in the draft who could potentially make a difference against him.
5) I’m not going over the Seedorf/Tacchinardi debate again with you. We both think eachother are wrong so let’s please leave it be.
Zanetti and Candela can provide width without being considered an liability in defence.
There is a difference between providing width and dominating the wing.
Absolutely. Especially Zanetti is a force of nature on that flank. If he's facing a single threat in Cabrini he would definitely put his authority on the game.
Carbone is a mismatch for Zanetti and wouldn’t stand much of a chance regardless of whether Zanetti is defending or attacking. That is dominating the wing.
In a lesser respect Candela will cause Grün and Fuser massive problems down the left as well.
Fuser isn’t very defensive minded and Grün will have to deal with Candela’s pace and two-footed crosses.
Fuser isn’t very defensive minded and Grün will have to deal with Candela’s pace and two-footed crosses.
Sure. I don't rate Carboni's attacking skills much. That wing is Zanetti's.
Fuser vs Candela is a even tie imo.
I feel it leans slightly in Candela’s favour.
Fuser was a very good winger but wasn’t particularly good at tackling. Using him as a makeshift wing back is risky.
Candela was an actual wing back who was very good at defending and attacking.
We were pointing out that the famous Nesta vs Ronaldo performance was in the UEFA Cup and doesn’t count in this draft.
Kind of irrelevant when Ron has already taken home the match ball (and possibly eaten it) though. Was my point.
Eh? He played the same RM role in 3-4-3 setups. Nothing makeshift about it, it's exactly what he is doing here.
Sorry, I should have elaborated. What I meant was using him in this match as a wing back is risky considering how offensive he is and the space left at RB.
Ah I see... you’re referring to your ‘Sinchism’! Ronaldo is likely to score goals but Harm’s defence is just as likely to conceed as well.
Fuser did play Wingback iirc. Was researching him during the draft
As I’m sure many of us did, I followed Serie A religiously during the 90s. I didn’t have a favourite team but watched hundreds and hundreds of various matches. I remember Fuser well and even though he was great to watch on the wing I can’t recall him ever being that good at defending.