Sergio Reguilón

[Chief123]

I disagree when it comes to spurs.

It’s not ideal, but with all due respect to them, they don’t aspire to be competing with Madrid and they are not in the same position to tell them to rod off like we are.

I'm guessing Spurs are happy to take him with the hope that he perfoms well and the acceptance that he'll be with them for a year or two. Jose is probably insisting on it as he's unlikely to hang around long term anyway.

 

[hobbers]

Beyond Davies, they don't have a left-footed left back who can offer an attacking threat. Tanganga's mainly a central defender, and Sessegnon's a right-footed player. Reguilon's a left-footed attacking left back who can offer them width and allow Son/Alli to come inside. They can also play 3 at the back, and in that case, they'll need a wing back who's left footed and a good dribbler (which Davies isn't).

Yeh I guess if Jose wanted the option to go 3-5-2 it would make some sort of sense. I still think it'll be low down his list of priorities given how much he wants a CB and another number 9 to relieve some of the burden on Kane.

 

[Class of 63]

I'm not sure I understand the vehement opposition to the buyback clause. Reguilon would be a great signing in a position of need. If he's good enough, it's the club's job to make him sufficiently happy to where he wouldn't go back to Real even if they try to activate the buyback clause.

Like, I get that supporters of this club have a lot of pride, but I think some self-awareness is needed. We're 3 weeks from the deadline, alternatives at LB are leaving the market (i.e. Estupinan signing for Villareal for a meager 15mm) and we're likely in for a dogfight with a gaggle of other clubs for CL position next year. If the buyback clause is a sign of desperation, that's not a surprise considering we are a bit desperate at this stage of the window. If the player is good and can help the manager and the club achieve their goals in the short term, isn't that good enough for now?

If Madrid activate the clause there is nothing Spurs(if it's them) could do.

The lad would obviously want to go back or he wouldn't have had it written in his contract in the first place.

 

[Scorpy]

Can't see Reguilon being a success in a Mourinho team.

 

[mu4c_20le]

Buyback or not, it's a coup for Spurs because the player was looking for a club with CL football and they weren't even on his radar. I'm sure they would've preferred to make a bit more than the 5-10m but they are used to selling players on for a profit so it's not a big deal. If they don't make CL the player will ask to leave anyways. Best case scenario for Levy here, and this is probably his gamble, is that the player does well but Madrid look elsewhere and do not activate the clause... they can then sell him somewhere else for a nice profit.

 

[carvajal]

I think Reguilón is a good signing for Tottenham.
I don't understand so much fear with the clause. He's not 19, he's turning 24 soon. Zidane is not going to change his mind, as he did not with Achraf, despite his two good years and being very close to his family.
I think if he wasn't Spanish or international, he wouldn't have a clause.
I can't imagine either the next coach obsessed with paying 40/45 million for him and receiving the approval of the club.
On the other hand, I congratulate you on not signing Bale. A great talent but with the constant uncertainty of injuries.
Better to look for a cheap option in these times of covid or wait patiently for Sancho

 

[mazhar13]

Buyback or not, it's a coup for Spurs because the player was looking for a club with CL football and they weren't even on his radar. I'm sure they would've preferred to make a bit more than the 5-10m but they are used to selling players on for a profit so it's not a big deal. If they don't make CL the player will ask to leave anyways. Best case scenario for Levy here, and this is probably his gamble, is that the player does well but Madrid look elsewhere and do not activate the clause... they can then sell him somewhere else for a nice profit.

It's not a coup yet until the player accepts joining Spurs. They approached Real Madrid first in order to get an agreement there; they still have to get an agreement from the player himself.

 

[ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg]

I think Reguilón is a good signing for Tottenham.
I don't understand so much fear with the clause. He's not 19, he's turning 24 soon. Zidane is not going to change his mind, as he did not with Achraf, despite his two good years and being very close to his family.
I think if he wasn't Spanish or international, he wouldn't have a clause.
I can't imagine either the next coach obsessed with paying 40/45 million for him and receiving the approval of the club.
On the other hand, I congratulate you on not signing Bale. A great talent but with the constant uncertainty of injuries.
Better to look for a cheap option in these times of covid or wait patiently for Sancho

It’s the fact that we would give power to Real. They could bring back the player in any window they wanted, and Moreover can use that clause as leverage over any other potential transfer between the two clubs.

Not something we should even entertain.

 

[Class of 63]

We are absolutely crying out for a left back.

Would you take Chelsea fan Luke Shaw? No please, would you take Luke Shaw.

 

[Infestissumam]

I think Reguilón is a good signing for Tottenham.
I don't understand so much fear with the clause. He's not 19, he's turning 24 soon. Zidane is not going to change his mind, as he did not with Achraf, despite his two good years and being very close to his family.
I think if he wasn't Spanish or international, he wouldn't have a clause.
I can't imagine either the next coach obsessed with paying 40/45 million for him and receiving the approval of the club.
On the other hand, I congratulate you on not signing Bale. A great talent but with the constant uncertainty of injuries.
Better to look for a cheap option in these times of covid or wait patiently for Sancho

it's just a bad deal for the buying club. It's basically a loan, but with the added privilege of being stuck with him if he flops in addition to shelling out 30m during a pandemic ... and then when Real take Reguilon back after two years, you can take a moment and be happy about the 10m profit you've made - and then sign a new LB who'll cost a lot more than that.

it's a great deal for you guys, but it takes a desperate club to agree to it. Enter Spurs.

 

[Scorpy]

I think Reguilón is a good signing for Tottenham.
I don't understand so much fear with the clause. He's not 19, he's turning 24 soon. Zidane is not going to change his mind, as he did not with Achraf, despite his two good years and being very close to his family.
I think if he wasn't Spanish or international, he wouldn't have a clause.
I can't imagine either the next coach obsessed with paying 40/45 million for him and receiving the approval of the club.
On the other hand, I congratulate you on not signing Bale. A great talent but with the constant uncertainty of injuries.
Better to look for a cheap option in these times of covid or wait patiently for Sancho

You will probably do with him what you did with Morata - activate the buy-back clause and sell him to another club for a bigger fee (if he's a success at Spurs that is)

 

[SteveW]

There's a clear reward. You get a quality player for a few years for a low fee. it's almost like a loan deal where you potentially keep the player and profit from him.

It's essentially a loan if he's good or a permanent signing if he isn't. Daft.

Great deal for Real Madrid.

 

[SteveW]

it's just a bad deal for the buying club. It's basically a loan, but with the added privilege of being stuck with him if he flops in addition to shelling out 30m during a pandemic ... and then when Real take Reguilon back after two years, you can take a moment and be happy about the 10m profit you've made - and then sign a new LB who'll cost a lot more than that.

it's a great deal for you guys, but it takes a desperate club to agree to it. Enter Spurs.

100% agree.

I imagine those who fail to see it that are letting their desperation for signings cloud their thinking.

 

[Paxi]

Doesn’t Jose like playing with one full back attacking? Didn’t spurs just sign Doherty who’s an attacking FB?

 

[mu4c_20le]

You will probably do with him what you did with Morata - activate the buy-back clause and sell him to another club for a bigger fee (if he's a success at Spurs that is)

They actually played him for a season before finding a sucker to pay the big bucks for him. Although to be fair he did pretty well as a backup in a very strong and successful team. It's not unheard of for clubs to activate a clause to buy a player back, or recall from loan, in order to sell for a profit. German clubs usually do that, not sure if Madrid would.

 

[devilish]

We don't really need him, better we buy a RW or an additional attacker.

we do need a LB. Shaw is injury prone and Williams is not a LB.

 

[stevoc]

I think Reguilón is a good signing for Tottenham.
I don't understand so much fear with the clause. He's not 19, he's turning 24 soon. Zidane is not going to change his mind, as he did not with Achraf, despite his two good years and being very close to his family.
I think if he wasn't Spanish or international, he wouldn't have a clause.
I can't imagine either the next coach obsessed with paying 40/45 million for him and receiving the approval of the club.
On the other hand, I congratulate you on not signing Bale. A great talent but with the constant uncertainty of injuries.
Better to look for a cheap option in these times of covid or wait patiently for Sancho

It's not fear, United just don't entertain buy back/out clauses in their players contracts. They never have and hopefully never will.

With buy back clauses you have no control over the player and he can be bought anytime by the club with the option. So you can't plan long term around that player. For example he could have his clause activated on deadline day and you are then left going in to the season a player short.

 

[Scorpy]

They actually played him for a season before finding a sucker to pay the big bucks for him. Although to be fair he did pretty well as a backup in a very strong and successful team. It's not unheard of for clubs to activate a clause to buy a player back, or recall from loan, in order to sell for a profit. German clubs usually do that, not sure if Madrid would.

Completely forgot about this for some reason.

 

[Cman]

I was hoping we signed him as I think it’s def an area we need reinforcements and he seemed to have the qualities that we are lacking in that position.
But now that spurs are getting him and the terms of the deal are being known I’m glad we are staying away from it. Clearly it’s just a glorified loan deal that gives real a bit of cash now to reinvest as they seem to be low on funds due to COVID. If player is happy to miss out on CL football just so he can go back to his home club as soon as possible the let him go to spurs- not the sort of player that’s going to be good to have in the dressing room.
I assume he wasn’t really on a radar before Real starting shopping him around and hope we get other signings in too. It’s a bit of a worry that with 2 and a half weeks left we have only signed DVB.
Only positive is that before DVB was left out of Ajax game there was no word of us going for him and the deal got done fairly quickly.

 

[duffer]

Did Jose fall out of love with Ben Davies? In the doc he seemed to be a huge fan.

 

[Revan]

Would have taken him even with a buyback clause. Essentially it would have been a two years loan, with Madrid paying his wages (if the difference in clause is 10m). Now we have to see Williams staring 20 matches in that position.

 

[GledTheRed]

we do need a LB. Shaw is injury prone and Williams is not a LB.

It's realiy not crucial, if Shaw is fit he plays ahead of Reggy as he can actually defend.

 

[carvajal]

It’s the fact that we would give power to Real. They could bring back the player in any window they wanted, and Moreover can use that clause as leverage over any other potential transfer between the two clubs.

Not something we should even entertain.

So it's a matter of pride, which is also reasonable, normally these clauses have an expiration date and after all ,two teams of this level should have cordial relations, and more with the threat of the state clubs.
With all that Madrid is, last year we sold our goalkeeper to PSG, 2 weeks after sending Lunin on loan, so he ended up in two shitty loans, one of them in segunda and we ,with Areola.
Probably for maintaining good relations(Mbappé?) and in a decade they didn't touch any City player, at some point you have to drop your pants

it's just a bad deal for the buying club. It's basically a loan, but with the added privilege of being stuck with him if he flops in addition to shelling out 30m during a pandemic ... and then when Real take Reguilon back after two years, you can take a moment and be happy about the 10m profit you've made - and then sign a new LB who'll cost a lot more than that.

it's a great deal for you guys, but it takes a desperate club to agree to it. Enter Spurs.

I don't think he'll flop, he looks like a full backfor years, even for the national team, like Alba or Sergi Barjuan, and in any case, he would have to do it really badly to not get some of the money back, which is not much. Look at Bayern with Lucas Hernández.

It's not fear, United just don't entertain buy back/out clauses in their players contracts. They never have and hopefully never will.

With buy back clauses you have no control over the player and he can be bought anytime by the club with the option. So you can't plan long term around that player. For example he could have his clause activated on deadline day and you are then left going in to the season a player short.

That is also reasonable but looking for extremes such as the last day of the market, or the need to plan for so many years ahead. There are teams (like Sevilla this season) that change half a team.
@Scorpy ,he played a year but he decided to leave.Nobody in the club had thought about a sale

 

[NoPace]

it's just a bad deal for the buying club. It's basically a loan, but with the added privilege of being stuck with him if he flops in addition to shelling out 30m during a pandemic ... and then when Real take Reguilon back after two years, you can take a moment and be happy about the 10m profit you've made - and then sign a new LB who'll cost a lot more than that.

it's a great deal for you guys, but it takes a desperate club to agree to it. Enter Spurs.

Was there a better LB around? He was in Whoscored's team of the year, voted into the Europa league XI and he's 23. Their only LB is basically a CB who can cross. I'd say he's a fine bet to have a good couple of seasons as a starter and for 30M at age 23 seems like a good signing, even if they have to sell to Madrid for 40M in 2 years or he's just good and not great and they buy a top LB to battle with Mendy and decide they won't him back.

Bale could easily cost as much and play 10 games for Spurs. That's a risk. At his age and off the season he's just had, Reguilon might be the safest LB signing in the world if we assume guys like Robertson and Davies who are at "final destination" clubs don't count. He's gotta be a safer bet than Chillwell to be a starting quality LB considering Leicester fans were ready for him to benched last year.

 

[thomas porter]

I'll be very disappointed if he goes to Spurs over us. IMO him and Shaw would give us two excellent options at left back especially given how injury prone Shaw is.

As far as the buyback clause I can see why United would want to avoid this as we aren't a feeder club for Madrid. I believe we had a similar stance with Haaland. At a 3,000 foot view I have to agree with the club that wanting young players who are committed to being at the club for the long term is the right stance. At a 30 foot view if we lose this deal it still really hurts as he was a player that would absolutely help us close the gap on Liverpool and City and improve us for a CL run.

#ScarredMuppet

 

[Infestissumam]

I don't think he'll flop, he looks like a full backfor years, even for the national team, like Alba or Sergi Barjuan, and in any case, he would have to do it really badly to not get some of the money back, which is not much. Look at Bayern with Lucas Hernández.

I don't think he'll either. But that's the thing, then you just take him back and the buying club has to buy yet another LB. If as a club you're think short-term, then yeah, that's fine - but United was never going to sign a promising LB and risk losing him again after two seasons.

I absolutely wanted Reguilon at United, but I understand that the club walked away from that buy-back nonsense.

 

[SteveW]

I haven't really commented on the player in this thread barring say that I wouldn't mind another left footed fullback for depth as Shaw gets injured a lot.

But to be honest I haven't been convinced he's an upgrade on Shaw. His main exciting attribute is blistering pace. A bit like a full back version of Dan James he looks good when there's lots of open space in front of him. But in terms of actual dribbling or clever passing I don't think he's all that special. He can beat players with pace when it opens up for him but I don't really see him as someone who'd be hugely useful against teams who sit in with 8/9 players behind the ball which is most of our opponents. He seems to just have to cut back most of the time. Defensively he's not great and pretty lightweight.

To be honest I didn't expect us to be looking at a left back at all this summer but William's poor form towards the end of the season kinda made me want this move. However with a break behind him there's nothing to say he can't kick on again. If so I'd be happy enough with him rotating with Shaw. Perhaps best of all it would leave room for the highly attacking and exciting Ethan Laird to make the step up and get some games at RB. If it wasn't for injuries I think he'd have been well established by now. Terrific player.

Basically, losing Reguilon isn't the end of the world. I would have happily took him for squad depth at 25m with no clause. But the second Spurs agreed the clause it became pointless. It's a daft signing when they can't even hang onto him should he do well. If he has a good season for them the whole thing will be tinged with thoughts of whether Real will just take him back. They've basically risked a full transfer fee for a player they can never really own. That and also their attempts to sign Bale after he's spent 2 years playing golf show exactly what a mess that club are turning into and why we don't need to worry about them.

 

[Scorpy]

@Scorpy ,he played a year but he decided to leave.Nobody in the club had thought about a sale

Fair enough, memory must be playing tricks.

 

[sugar_kane]

Did Jose fall out of love with Ben Davies? In the doc he seemed to be a huge fan.

Just going for him to thwart a rival club ala Fred/Sanchez

 

[Hernandez - BFA]

Given the links over the last couple of days, I was convinced he’d be ours.

Ah well. Still hope we get a RW and a LB this window.

 

[Chief123]

Doesn’t Jose like playing with one full back attacking? Didn’t spurs just sign Doherty who’s an attacking FB?

I'd imagine Jose is going to ask Bale to track back and cover defensively when Doherty goes on attacking runs.

 

[Stretender]

I'd imagine Jose is going to ask Bale to track back and cover defensively when Doherty goes on attacking runs.

If Reguilon was our main transfer target this summer, I would have been underwhelmed. Same as Bale and Perisic. Pull your finger out Woody and sign proper players.

 

[chris123]

Im fine with us passing on that deal in isolation. The problem is and always has been the lack of a contingency plan, to the point where this being another window where we only end up with one key signing feels totally realistic.

 

[Chief123]

If Reguilon was our main transfer target this summer, I would have been underwhelmed. Same as Bale and Perisic. Pull your finger out Woody and sign proper players.

I know a lot of fans were excited about signing Reguilon, but I personally believe Shaw would still be number 1 ahead of him. Reguilon isn't the best when it comes to defending. Reguilon is good going forward and probably edges Shaw in that aspect, but Shaw isn't that much worse attacking wise. Sergio would most likely have been a backup to Shaw or a wing back whenever we deployed 3 at the back with Shaw as LCB. I'm certainly not fussed about missing out on him if there was no option without a buy back clause. The kid clearly has a desire to play for Madrid which is fair enough, but there's no point building a player for him to be taken back once he's developed.

 

[stevoc]

That is also reasonable but looking for extremes such as the last day of the market, or the need to plan for so many years ahead. There are teams (like Sevilla this season) that change half a team.
@Scorpy ,he played a year but he decided to leave.Nobody in the club had thought about a sale

That deadline day scenario was an extreme example granted. But United not doing buy out clauses goes back to the Ferguson days when he unlike some of his predecessors did for the most part plan out his squad managements years in advance.

 

[Member 109952]

I haven't really commented on the player in this thread barring say that I wouldn't mind another left footed fullback for depth as Shaw gets injured a lot.

But to be honest I haven't been convinced he's an upgrade on Shaw. His main exciting attribute is blistering pace. A bit like a full back version of Dan James he looks good when there's lots of open space in front of him. But in terms of actual dribbling or clever passing I don't think he's all that special. He can beat players with pace when it opens up for him but I don't really see him as someone who'd be hugely useful against teams who sit in with 8/9 players behind the ball which is most of our opponents. He seems to just have to cut back most of the time. Defensively he's not great and pretty lightweight.

To be honest I didn't expect us to be looking at a left back at all this summer but William's poor form towards the end of the season kinda made me want this move. However with a break behind him there's nothing to say he can't kick on again. If so I'd be happy enough with him rotating with Shaw. Perhaps best of all it would leave room for the highly attacking and exciting Ethan Laird to make the step up and get some games at RB. If it wasn't for injuries I think he'd have been well established by now. Terrific player.

Basically, losing Reguilon isn't the end of the world. I would have happily took him for squad depth at 25m with no clause. But the second Spurs agreed the clause it became pointless. It's a daft signing when they can't even hang onto him should he do well. If he has a good season for them the whole thing will be tinged with thoughts of whether Real will just take him back. They've basically risked a full transfer fee for a player they can never really own. That and also their attempts to sign Bale after he's spent 2 years playing golf show exactly what a mess that club are turning into and why we don't need to worry about them.

Have you seen much of Reguliion? Not sure how to feel on him as have basically never actually watched him play.

 

[simonhch]

This is a clear difference in the size of the clubs. A club like Utd should never ever be agreeing to a buy back clause. Much more acceptable for a club of Spurs’ stature.

 

[Blood Mage]

Spurs just wanted him more than we did, and the buy-back clause was a deal breaker for us clearly. I think our interest was always half-hearted because Ole loves Shaw and isn't ready to give up on him.

 

[DeeDee7]

£25M hasn't been luxury money for a while. Callum Wilson, Gabriel, Ollie Watkins, Eberechi Eze, Castagne and Aaron Ramsdale have all gone for around that kind of money this season. All of them are okay players, but none are exactly top drawer (even if one or two might become that). £25M either gets you promising youngster or mid-table experience these days. Reguilon is the former.

It is a luxury when its not a signing desperately required. And its closer to 30M then 25.... Do i want Reguilon and 10 other fantastic players to add depth and competition in every position? Obviously. Will this happen? No. Does this generally happen anywhere bar at Madrid? No. Is this a realistic rumour? NOOOOO. Hence my original point in all my posts. It is a bullshit rumour using our name probably for self gain purposes.
Reguilon is not going to join a club where he is going to be in another tussle for first team football (ala madrid). We previously made a similar transfer for Dalot in different circumstances where he was potentialy deemed the heir to Valencia who was ancient and who's contract was expiring. Natural progression. We are not Man City or Madrid. In fact were on a path for better. Creating a squad with a happy dressing room with balance.

People are so quick to right off Williams. The kid is 20. 3 years younger then Reguilon. Just had his first season. Shaw is 25. When both are somehow out for that odd game or 2 there is Fosu Mensah, and currently Rojo. We are well covered. And when were not, the next youth in the system steps up.

 

[Okey]

Beyond Davies, they don't have a left-footed left back who can offer an attacking threat. Tanganga's mainly a central defender, and Sessegnon's a right-footed player. Reguilon's a left-footed attacking left back who can offer them width and allow Son/Alli to come inside. They can also play 3 at the back, and in that case, they'll need a wing back who's left footed and a good dribbler (which Davies isn't).

Sessegnon may not be quite ready yet, but he's as left footed as they come.