Sergio Ramos

You mean the famous Sacchi team who won 5:0 at the Bernabéu? They were ahead of their time. A bit like Lobabovsky Dynamo but with totally different players and financial might.
They drew 1-1 at the bernabeu, with like 50 offsides. I don't even know how we managed to score honestly :lol:

Second leg was a total demolition. Yes they were a full decade ahead of the times tactically. They were also the richest club in the world by far, Berlusconi signed ballon d'or winners just to keep other clubs from having them :lol: talent gap was massive between us and them
 
Lol Ramos is one of the most talented defenders I’ve ever seen, anyone who thinks otherwise is blinded by hatred
Not sure what you mean by talented, but that wouldnt be my choice of words to describe ramos, who I have watched consistently since he was at Sevilla.

Ramos is a phenomenal athlete, probably the best athlete I have ever seen play the game, but he doesnt offer much in the football IQ department, evidenced by the endless list of boneheaded plays in his career. The guy is such a gifted athlete that his recovery from a bad positioning sometimes seem inhuman. Add his aerial prowess (for a guy that his only 6ft) and maturing over the years (helped by playing alongside two great defenders in Cannavaro and Carvalho), it is no surprising that he has become a very good defender.
 
They drew 1-1 at the Bernabeu, with like 50 offsides. I don't even know how we managed to score honestly :lol:

Second leg was a total demolition. Yes they were a full decade ahead of the times tactically. They were also the richest club in the world by far, Berlusconi signed ballon d'or winners just to keep other clubs from having them :lol: talent gap was massive between us and them
Are you sure the 5:0 wasn't at the Bernabéu? Doesn't matter I was a kid when Erikson Benfica went into the final with them on 1990.

Yes the offside trap, I remember 2 strikers from Porto, Domingos and Kostadinov saying they tried to study how to beat the offside trap but it was useless. Fair to say Domingos says untill these days he never saw nothing like Baresi, and that Porto team had Aloisio and Couto as CB's, and made semifinals on 94 against Barcelona.

Ok you are right it was at San Siro. Checked.
 
@carvajal there shoul be plenty of games online, especially Champions League or World Cup games. The milan-Real Madrid games from '89 shouldbe easy to find. A famous joke about Baresi was that linesmen didn't look at the ball or the line to decide whether a player was offside, they looked at Baresi: if Baresi had his arm raised, that meant it was offside so they should raise the flag :D
Yes, I remember that phrase.
I ask because I remember him older but I dont know how people can watch so many players from 30 years ago.His position was perfect but the football was different. It was not so necessary the same attributes as today.I do not think the comparison is so easy.
 
The biggest reason is likely due to the big goals he’s scored in big matches, especially when Real have needed it the most. You also can’t accuse him of hiding when the going gets tough. Plus, any player who’s captained his club to three straight CL titles will likely be deemed to be a great leader, whether rightly or wrongly. I obviously can’t speak much for his general day to day actions, how he conducts himself in the dressing room, off the pitch stuff, etc.

On the other hand, the many red cards he receives and rash actions on the pitch which put his team at a disadvantage point to poor leadership habits as well. Not to mention the bits of petulance he his prone to display. He’s a talented footballer though, no doubt about that.
Thanks. I think I agreed with everything in your post. I think people just like saying that to any player which is good/WC and aggressive. Just like when people say Tobi ALdeweirld(?) as the 'leader' we need, of which no data to support.

Agreed with @giorno post. I think Ramos is more suited as DM. I'm just an old school though, regarding CB.
 
I don't know why anyone's surprised. This is a photo of Stalin when he was young. As most of us know, he went on to kill millions. It's basically the same man.

young_Stalin_1.jpg
 
I don't know why anyone's surprised. This is a photo of Stalin when he was young. As most of us know, he went on to kill millions. It's basically the same man.

young_Stalin_1.jpg

:lol:

Don't really see much Ramos. But it scarily, to me that picture looks uncannily like Kianoush Rostami (Iranian Weightlifter).
 
I'm not convinced it is that clear, I can see that movement being pretty natural as he tries to cut across the player to win and shield the ball from him.
You cut across players with your elbow at head level ? That's about as intentional and conceiled at it can get. He is a master

That elbow is very subtle. Over the years he has become an expert.
He is still very nervous and the press is attacking him for everything.
The best thing that can happen is to get injured for a month.

Guys, out of curiosity, how many games have you seen of Baresi? can you share some link with full games?
Absolutely spot on. The man is very good at it. He knows if he goes full swinging he'll easily get caught
 
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Baresi would struggle with a backline constantly playing closer to opposition's goal than theirs, fewer mistakes than Ramos, sure, but he'd look like a fool as well.
 
He's a great player but he's not a great CB. Don't know any other "top" CB who makes the amount of mistakes he does and has had as many awful Classicos defensively as he has had. He's lucky he plays in a team that has always been able to score 3-5 goals a match. Pique, for a few years now, has been similiarly crap at his primary job of defending.
 
UEFA really needs to ban him for a few games. He keeps getting away with it and has no incentives to change at all. He can make all the excuses and pretend it wasn't intentional, but he's a glorified Materazzi that needs to be held responsible, whether by the referee or the UEFA after the fact.
 
Speaking of Karius, Besiktas want to cancel his loan and send him back to Pool in Winter, but Pool don't want him back either, trying to force Besiktas to keep him till 2020, when his concussion will hopefully be treated.
 
Everytime I see people criticize Ramos here it almost seems like there is 10 or 15 CBs who are clearly above him.

Of course, the debate quickly ends when you see the list with the names in it.
 
Baresi would struggle with a backline constantly playing closer to opposition's goal than theirs, fewer mistakes than Ramos, sure, but he'd look like a fool as well.
You...really have never seen Baresi play have you
 
thank you!, there are a lot of games, more than I expected
Better than Youtube. It must be relatively easy to do the signup, possibly will ask for your name, pass and email. Possibly the older the games less quality on image. Old school football for lovers of the game. Try to watch the 2 games vs Quinta Del Buitre under Sacchi. And forget the final result. :D
 
Baresi would struggle with a backline constantly playing closer to opposition's goal than theirs, fewer mistakes than Ramos, sure, but he'd look like a fool as well.
You can make that criticism of many players, but Baresi certainly isn't one. The guy mastered the defensive line like nobody else before or since.
 
You can make that criticism of many players, but Baresi certainly isn't one. The guy mastered the defensive line like nobody else before or since.
I mean, modern football, particularly the organized high press and high defensive line, are the legacy of Baresi's team :lol:
 
You can make that criticism of many players, but Baresi certainly isn't one. The guy mastered the defensive line like nobody else before or since.
The line... yes, but there's no line when you play next to Marcelo (vs. Maldini), who plays higher up the pitch than Colombo. Plus Carvajal. Yeah, there's a line, and then there's one or two CBs vs. the opposition.
 
Speaking of Karius, Besiktas want to cancel his loan and send him back to Pool in Winter, but Pool don't want him back either, trying to force Besiktas to keep him till 2020, when his concussion will hopefully be treated.

Fake news.
 
Not sure how he hasn't been done this yet. He knows exactly what he's doing. This isn't the same as jumping into a header and protecting yourself with your arms out.
 
Well he's learnt to take penalties since that Bayern one just cleared Mars.
 
"Sergio Ramos enters the dressing room as if Real Madrid belonged to him and onto the field as if he invented football," Valdano said in El Pais.

"When the other players hide, he challenges the world with a Panenka penalty."
 
Lovren and him were taking shots at each other before the game and Lovren was commenting how he elbowed him, after the game and was proud like a little kid. It seems Lovren is still butthurt about CL final :lol:
He's such a wanker.

Also Rebić went thrpugh Ramos 3, 4 times on Thursday, was fun to see:D
 
Lovren and him were taking shots at each other before the game and Lovren was commenting how he elbowed him, after the game and was proud like a little kid. It seems Lovren is still butthurt about CL final :lol:
He's such a wanker.

Also Rebić went thrpugh Ramos 3, 4 times on Thursday, was fun to see:D

TBF Ramos constantly takes shots at people in the press. I’m surprised that it’s taken this long for someone to fire back at him :lol:
 
:D
I don't know why anyone's surprised. This is a photo of Stalin when he was young. As most of us know, he went on to kill millions. It's basically the same man.

young_Stalin_1.jpg

Old post, I know, but just couldn’t help myself. The young Stalin doesn’t look like Ramos at all :D
 
He's as dirty as Motorhead's laundry.
 
He gets so much shit from Liverpool fans it's just unreal :lol:

I have never seen players moaning about a game after 3-4 months, especially when it was accidental injury.

Lovren talking about how he elbowed Ramos, VVD on how Ramos is not his kind of CB.
 
He gets so much shit from Liverpool fans it's just unreal :lol:

I have never seen players moaning about a game after 3-4 months, especially when it was accidental injury.

Lovren talking about how he elbowed Ramos, VVD on how Ramos is not his kind of CB.
I think Ramos is probably one of the most universally disliked football players to ever play the game. Hardly just Liverpool fans that dislike the cnut.
 
I think Ramos is probably one of the most universally disliked football players to ever play the game. Hardly just Liverpool fans that dislike the cnut.

I meant Liverpool players, not fans.
 
Liverpool players are as pathetic as their fans it seems.