feck sake, he's a grown man with his own family. I doubt his mother has much in put here really. He'll do what's best for himself and his immediate family.
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Better ways to put pressure on your club than threatening to go to your direct rivals that just won a treble? I can't think of any.
Keep in mind neither Ramos nor his brother would deny the rumours, but wouldn't have to confirm either. They would just keep quiet and see how it all plays and there's no real risk since Majó has absolutely no chance of winning the Barcelona elections.
His brother, the agent angling for a better deal? SSN and the BBC who have said Gundogen and numerous others were signing and didnt? If you buy into all of that stuff mate then you are in for a long transfer window.
Barca and Real are different. He'd be crucified just for not denying it. The much simpler and equally effective way to do it would be to use one of their friends in the press to link him with a move to Bayern/United/City etc.
Transfers break down. Gundogan will have been on our radar. Ramos will want to leave. Whether he does or not is not worth being invested in because it will drag on. But being as cynical as you are is stupid.
In case that someone didnt see the video.Her face when is asked "y el Manchester?" 
http://m.youtube.com/?#/watch?v=JWRT_JE_uxE
http://m.youtube.com/?#/watch?v=JWRT_JE_uxE
Nobody even said that Ramos is signing for us, Gundogen either, so you're having a hissy fit over nothing. All we know is he wants out and wants to talk to United. Nothing has changed aside from his mother doing a mini interview from her car, and people having decided to stick a fork in the entire story. That's madness.
Someone's butthurt
So my spanish is a bit rusty but, the journalist asked her if Ramos would like to stay in Madrid, the mother answers 'yes', then she asked if Ramos would like to go to Manchester, she answers 'no, I don't think so', then the journalist say so 'he doesn't love England, he loves Spain?', the mother answer 'No, he loves Spain'.
Two things, the mother say absolutely nothing and the journalist is orienting every answer.
Two things, the mother say absolutely nothing and the journalist is orienting every answer.
As opposed to being as gullible as you? Ok.
It's not gullible thinking he wants out. It's fairly well reported. Maybe if people were believing goal.com.....stop being so cynical..
More or less,she asks "Madrid first?",and she answers "of course", later she says "he wants España",he is very spanish".Maybe is a woman trying to be nice with the press but at present I am happy even with these small details
All the BBC reported was that Gundogan is leaving Dortmund. They didn't say he is leaving and has specifically asked to come to United like they are with Ramos.
If you don't think there's any substance to the current Ramos information then you really need to stop being so pessimistic and cynical!
More or less,she asks "Madrid first?",and she answers "of course", later she says "he wants España",he is very spanish".Maybe is a woman trying to be nice with the press but at present I am happy even with this small details
You are right, I would take a positive stance myself. But you know that his mother tried to put Ramos in the best position possible because any other answers would have created chaos.
Enough is enough. I am sure that madrid have our number whenever they meet up to our demands regarding de gea.
Go get dragovic now; he makes that LCB spot his own every time I see him.
Go get dragovic now; he makes that LCB spot his own every time I see him.
Sounds like your the only one believing anything here. You can't have a go at people for believing he's leaving (not that I've seen anybody seriously say he is, just that he could) when you believe he's not based on the same stuff. The only way you can say either way is if he signs for us or renews with them.
I'm not sure what people expected her to say? Other than nothing I suppose.
People reacting very dramatically to the smallest things again.
People reacting very dramatically to the smallest things again.
Such is the plight of being a muppet
Mama knows best/
Another Summer on the caf then.
A lot of young men will be disappointed by this page.
I don't think Madrid fancy paying him anywhere near as much as we would. I reckon him and his brother are in talks with Madrid over a new deal as we speak but I don't think Perez values him as much as he would expect. Madrid are capable of paying as much as us but I just think they don't want to.
Ramos knows United will pay him a hell of a lot. I'd say approximately 50% more than Madrids offer net.
At the end of the day he's only coming to United for the money, it's not as if he hasn't been played as much as he would've liked. It's purely money. On that basis I think we stand a very good chance of signing him because I can't see Madrid forking out that much over the duration of his contract, bare in mind the tax rate in Spain.
Hopefully it happens.
Ramos knows United will pay him a hell of a lot. I'd say approximately 50% more than Madrids offer net.
At the end of the day he's only coming to United for the money, it's not as if he hasn't been played as much as he would've liked. It's purely money. On that basis I think we stand a very good chance of signing him because I can't see Madrid forking out that much over the duration of his contract, bare in mind the tax rate in Spain.
Hopefully it happens.
I doubt van gaal even wants ramos. His tactics dictate that ramos would more than likely play on the Right where we have Smalling and Jones.
This is all Woodward picking a player Madrid know they cant sell; offering hin a 350k contract and leaving the rest to them RE De gea.
This is all Woodward picking a player Madrid know they cant sell; offering hin a 350k contract and leaving the rest to them RE De gea.
I smell a rat, Ramos' mum looks suspiciously like Caitlyn Jenner, he/she is taking the piss!
Why would anyone want a player that only wants to be here for the money? Honestly, a lot of United fans are just as bad as City and Chelsea supporters. The same supporters we've been ripping the piss out of for years for this exact outlook on football. Irritates the feck out of me.
In fairness...
I'm guessing you hate a few United players then?
The majority of footballers are at the club who pays them the most money. If you don't know that you're very naive. It's the way it is nowadays. If you had your way we'd be well and truly fecked post Fergie.
It also mirrors the Rooney contract saga a few years back. Both parties pretending to be severing all ties and then panic sets in, next day contract is signed!
a classic long saga for us to get involved in as per every summer.
seemed like it had accelerated along a fair bit last night, but now a fair bit of doubt has crept in.
seemed like it had accelerated along a fair bit last night, but now a fair bit of doubt has crept in.
Well yeah, of course, Sergio will be staying in Madrid, until he moves to Manchester. Where else would he stay?
@poco also,
Would you be against signing Ramos if he came to United only because we offered him more than Madrid?
That mentality is very bizarre imo for this day and age. Money talks and a club like United which has thrived of merchandise, TV, and competition revenue is able to pay the highest bracket of wages. We can't buy 18 year olds every year who dream of paying for us and expect them to turn into the next Ronaldo. Sometimes we have to throw money and in times like this I think it's vital.
Would you be against signing Ramos if he came to United only because we offered him more than Madrid?
That mentality is very bizarre imo for this day and age. Money talks and a club like United which has thrived of merchandise, TV, and competition revenue is able to pay the highest bracket of wages. We can't buy 18 year olds every year who dream of paying for us and expect them to turn into the next Ronaldo. Sometimes we have to throw money and in times like this I think it's vital.
So, what's been happening today? What's this Ramos mama shite about?
He's still coming, you all have my word, he will be in a United shirt next season.
His mother did a Harry Redknapp style interview through an open car window. She intimated that he wants to stay at RM, which has been a bit of a boner killer.
This is my understanding of this issue so far.
1. Ramos Perez argument probably started about money but went way over the line and From what people describe seems like he feels he is undervalued. That coupled with the sale of ozil Di Maria Alonso casillas being slowly kicked out ancelotti being sacked and appointing an average Benitez. I think now it's more than just money.
2. There was a report about a week ago in some paper where United apparently wanted Ramos to publicly say he wanted to leave. And cue yesterday when a decent journo who is valued by espn SsN and many others says that he got personal info that he really wants to leave and this isn't some contract negotiation tactic. Sid Lowe said pretty much the same thing since day 1.
3. Ramos' mom may not know anything relating to his football for obvious reasons. What she said is he wants to stay which is true. He obviously wants to stay. As for Spain over England that's ambiguous. It's not as if he is being asked to represent England internationally.
4. as I said I don't think this is just about money alone. Sure money can solve it maybe but I really doubt Perez is someone who sees common sense like sir alex did with Rooney. He probably feels that Ramos should take a pay cut after all this.
6. I think there's more to this than meets the eye (line credit - Optimus prime from transformers). I think this is still something we will lose but I remember ballague giving a similar interview last year giving details that Adm would be joining.
1. Ramos Perez argument probably started about money but went way over the line and From what people describe seems like he feels he is undervalued. That coupled with the sale of ozil Di Maria Alonso casillas being slowly kicked out ancelotti being sacked and appointing an average Benitez. I think now it's more than just money.
2. There was a report about a week ago in some paper where United apparently wanted Ramos to publicly say he wanted to leave. And cue yesterday when a decent journo who is valued by espn SsN and many others says that he got personal info that he really wants to leave and this isn't some contract negotiation tactic. Sid Lowe said pretty much the same thing since day 1.
3. Ramos' mom may not know anything relating to his football for obvious reasons. What she said is he wants to stay which is true. He obviously wants to stay. As for Spain over England that's ambiguous. It's not as if he is being asked to represent England internationally.
4. as I said I don't think this is just about money alone. Sure money can solve it maybe but I really doubt Perez is someone who sees common sense like sir alex did with Rooney. He probably feels that Ramos should take a pay cut after all this.
6. I think there's more to this than meets the eye (line credit - Optimus prime from transformers). I think this is still something we will lose but I remember ballague giving a similar interview last year giving details that Adm would be joining.
Your point 5 is interesting
Only a true dragon warrior can see that point.
It's meta. The missing point is symbolic of the pointlessness of the entire post.
I think its down to him wantin a new challenge man & with that - he'll get a shitload of dough to come to us too. He's gone on record as sayin he'd love to play in the Prem & his Dad has a soft-spot for us.
Tbh man - i'd take all this with a pinch of salt. We all know what players are like & as much as the inner-muppet in me wants to get excited about this one - i dont have much confidence in this happening. Its way too good to be true. Never know though..
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