Sergio Ramos | Signs new 5 year contract

[Kounan]

It actually makes a lot of sense and we have an emergency plan in case one of the two will decide to stay but in case of Otamendi he already stated that he's leaving which makes thing even easier.

We shouldn't be really worried about Ramos drama at all. Slightly above 40 millions plus some solid bonuses will do the trick anyway if he wants Manchester United.

But why sign both? We need max one CB that's it.

 

[Van Piorsing]

But why sign both? We need max one CB that's it.

We also shouldn't care what Perez wants. He treats his own players like shit. It's not our fault that Ramos is treated the way he is and his family somehow are behind United. He should be happy if we'll even consider De Gea as part of a deal at all.

I say f*ck Perez, bring two class defenders to Old Trafford, convince De Gea to stay and then worry about famous SAF's headache.

LVG said the squad gonna look different anyway so might as well go by his own words to fullest extent.

 

[Devil may care]

I doubt anybody else will cough up E50m for Otamendi, so we can probably afford to let this roll for a few weeks. Who knows? We might get Ramos.

In any case, having another option strengthens our negotiating position with Valencia; and setting the cat among the Bernabeu pigeons can't be a bad thing. After giving them £60m for Di Maria last year, they probably think we're a soft touch.

I'd rather we just got the players we need in before pre-season starts, otherwise we'll be in the same mess as last season.

 

[RedorDead21]

We also shouldn't care what Perez wants. He treats his own players like shit. It's not our fault that Ramos is treated the way he is and his family somehow are behind United. He should be happy if we'll even consider De Gea as part of a deal at all.

I say f*ck Perez, bring two class defenders to Old Trafford, convince De Gea to stay and then worry about famous SAF's headache.

LVG said the squad gonna look different anyway so might as well go by his own words to fullest extent.

Sorry but ditching Smalling right now doesnt seem necessary at all from the first team. Put him in with Ramos and who's to say he wont be everybit as good in 2-3 seasons as every other top clubs second best central defender. Stinks of over reaction to me this summer.

 

[Devil may care]

But why sign both? We need max one CB that's it.

It depends on how you view Jones.

 

[Raoul]

No way we're ditching Smalling. We're looking for someone appropriate to accompany him. Hopefully that's Otamendi who is a bit younger than Ramos.

 

[RedorDead21]

No way we're ditching Smalling. We're looking for someone appropriate to accompany him. Hopefully that's Otamendi who is a bit younger than Ramos.

And I agree with this stance. Jesus how fan to fans want us to deviate from a class act club that trusted in at least some youngsters every now and then....

 

[Van Piorsing]

Sorry but ditching Smalling right now doesnt seem necessary at all from the first team. Put him in with Ramos and who's to say he wont be everybit as good in 2-3 seasons as every other top clubs second best central defender. Stinks of over reaction to me this summer.

We need pair of CB's to stay fit throughout entire season in a four competition system. Smalling would find plenty of time on the pitch while it's better for Jones to be careful with giving him too much time for his own good and health... not until we'll sort things in a so called 'injury prevention' department.

If you can guarantee that Smalling will stay fit for a very long time then maybe... but it's really hard to guarantee that, isn't it ? Especially when we should have steady first 11 fighting for the title from the first fixture.

So far we have time to solve the problems and not go into panic mode and I do hope it will be that kind of a productive summer.

 

[Hed Zitin]

And I agree with this stance. Jesus how fan to fans want us to deviate from a class act club that trusted in at least some youngsters every now and then....

I still don't believe he'll stay injury free enough. I don't trust any of them to stay fit enough. Groundhog day from last summer.

 

[Attila]

And I agree with this stance. Jesus how fan to fans want us to deviate from a class act club that trusted in at least some youngsters every now and then....

Which youngsters? Jones, Mcnair and Blacket?

Don't know why so many people are against buying Ramos...especially for some stupid reasons like 'he's a cnut'. Diego Costa is a cnut but I doubt Chelsea fans are complaining after last season. So whiny

 

[RedorDead21]

Which youngsters? Jones, Mcnair and Blacket?

Don't know why so many people are against buying Ramos...especially for some stupid reasons like 'he's a cnut'. Diego Costa is a cnut but I doubt Chelsea fans are complaining after last season. So whiny

Well which youngsters have we shown faith in....Smalling yes and I want him to stay as a first choice for now...Adnan was highly regarded by everyone at the club....should we ditch him too....whats the difference between that and Chelsea....God De Gea didn't have the greatest of starts when trusted game after game but it came good. I remember Bergkamp being mocked about 8-9 games into his Arsenal career without a goal. All I'm saying is I like our club to perhaps trust that tiny bit more and I honestly think Smalling deserves that trust this summer at least from us. thats All.

 

[RedorDead21]

I still don't believe he'll stay injury free enough. I don't trust any of them to stay fit enough. Groundhog day from last summer.

This could be true pal but we've bought players also...cough Shaw who were reliable...and then suddenly not. Its not exactly working either way.

 

[ravi2]

Well which youngsters have we shown faith in....Smalling yes and I want him to stay as a first choice for now...Adnan was highly regarded by everyone at the club....should we ditch him too....whats the difference between that and Chelsea....God De Gea didn't have the greatest of starts when trusted game after game but it came good. I remember Bergkamp being mocked about 8-9 games into his Arsenal career without a goal. All I'm saying is I like our club to perhaps trust that tiny bit more and I honestly think Smalling deserves that trust this summer at least from us. thats All.

I agree completely...Smalling has done enough to warrant a chance at starting CB for MUFC.
Whether it be Otamendi or Ramos that he is paired up with, I think he will have a solid season for us for 15/16

 

[Browniee]

No way we're ditching Smalling. We're looking for someone appropriate to accompany him. Hopefully that's Otamendi who is a bit younger than Ramos.

This. Think Ramos will be a huge mistake imo. He is so hot headed it's unreal, he won't be getting away with murder in the PL

 

[RedorDead21]

I agree completely...Smalling has done enough to warrant a chance at starting CB for MUFC.
Whether it be Otamendi or Ramos that he is paired up with, I think he will have a solid season for us for 15/16

Yes like someone else said injuries permitting can we not see him being as good as Cahill who with Terry has had some solid seasons as a pairing. I actually think he's capable of being better than Cahill too in the coming years but whatever.

 

[ravi2]

This. Think Ramos will be a huge mistake imo. He is so hot headed it's unreal, he won't be getting away with murder in the PL

In Spain they call a foul every time a player flops...I think Ramos would actually do quite well here but TBH I think Otamendi gives us more bang for the buck...he is just as good a defender and would cost about half what Ramos cost.

 

[RedorDead21]

This. Think Ramos will be a huge mistake imo. He is so hot headed it's unreal, he won't be getting away with murder in the PL

Cantona came with a reputation. It can work for the team and give some kind of x factor to the group. Especially our relatively young back line you never know. Ramos is world class. As good for me as anything we've seen in our back line. Big call but feck me he's made more passes under Ancelotti than any other Real player. If thats not LVG material what the feck is.

 

[Hed Zitin]

This could be true pal but we've bought players also...cough Shaw who were reliable...and then suddenly not. Its not exactly working either way.

He's 19 and I get the point, but at the same time you can't just do nothing. It's not worth the gamble especially with the GK that saved these defenders arses last seasons going.

 

[Organic Potatoes]

In Spain they call a foul every time a player flops...I think Ramos would actually do quite well here but TBH I think Otamendi gives us more bang for the buck...he is just as good a defender and would cost about half what Ramos cost.

I think we could get Ramos for less than 100M Euros (if this thing is actually happening...).

 

[Browniee]

In Spain they call a foul every time a player flops...I think Ramos would actually do quite well here but TBH I think Otamendi gives us more bang for the buck...he is just as good a defender and would cost about half what Ramos cost.

Maybe so, perhaps it's the stupid fees being spouted that's putting me off.

Cantona came with a reputation. It can work for the team and give some kind of x factor to the group. Especially our relatively young back line you never know. Ramos is world class. As good for me as anything we've seen in our back line. Big call but feck me he's made more passes under Ancelotti than any other Real player. If thats not LVG material what the feck is.

True, LVG loves his ball playing defenders doesn't he.

 

[ravi2]

I think we could get Ramos for less than 100M Euros (if this thing is actually happening...).

Wtf...100m for a 29 year old CB is madness, unless that CB is named Maldini or Baresi.
I get the fact he is world class, however I wouldn't go higher than 50m...he has zero resale value.

 

[pocco]

I think we could get Ramos for less than 100M Euros (if this thing is actually happening...).

Not sure if that's sarcasm but, if not, is that supposed to be a good deal? We'd be off our rocker to pay anywhere near that.

 

[RedorDead21]

Maybe so, perhaps it's the stupid fees being spouted that's putting me off.

True, LVG loves his ball playing defenders doesn't he.

Well apparently we had one in Rio which to me is a fallacy. The man hoofed a ball as often as any other CB. We'd play Arsenal and they'd shout "hoof" about 10 times in each half I was at the Emirates (living in London) often enough to witness it. I think alot on here would be taken aback when they see a real passer at the back. Rio's passing is laughable by comparison IMO. Which again I accept will attract more derision than acceptance!

 

[RedorDead21]

Not sure if that's sarcasm but, if not, is that supposed to be a good deal? We'd be off our rocker to pay anywhere near that.

Agreed. But ripping the Defensive spine out of real Madrid which I would say is a first in history has to carry a premium. Its not so much a hammer blow as a god damn atom bomb. I'd go as far as £40m. Look at Mangala and others......

 

[Organic Potatoes]

Wtf...100m for a 29 year old CB is madness, unless that CB is named Maldini or Baresi.
I get the fact he is world class, however I wouldn't go higher than 50m...he has zero resale value.

Isn't Otamendi's release clause 50M Euros? And they have already stated they won't budge from it?

So if you are saying he would cost about half of what Ramos would, then that puts the figure ~90-100M (unless you are including wages, but even then...).

 

[DomesticTadpole]

Well which youngsters have we shown faith in....Smalling yes and I want him to stay as a first choice for now...Adnan was highly regarded by everyone at the club....should we ditch him too....whats the difference between that and Chelsea....God De Gea didn't have the greatest of starts when trusted game after game but it came good. I remember Bergkamp being mocked about 8-9 games into his Arsenal career without a goal. All I'm saying is I like our club to perhaps trust that tiny bit more and I honestly think Smalling deserves that trust this summer at least from us. thats All.

Evans was a highly rated youngster as well, that isn't looking too great atm.

 

[RedorDead21]

Evans was a highly rated youngster as well, that isn't looking too great atm.

But no one is advocating blind faith here.

 

[pocco]

Agreed. But ripping the Defensive spine out of real Madrid which I would say is a first in history has to carry a premium. Its not so much a hammer blow as a god damn atom bomb. I'd go as far as £40m. Look at Mangala and others......

Madrid will be fine without him. They'd probably get Otamendi for half the money and he'll become the best CB around. Don't forget they've got the likes of Varane waiting in the wings. I'd rather we went for him.

 

[RedorDead21]

Madrid will be fine without him. They'd probably get Otamendi for half the money and he'll become the best CB around. Don't forget they've got the likes of Varane waiting in the wings. I'd rather we went for him.

Well Jesus so would I but Varane is going no where. Thats like getting Muller from Bayern or Scholes from United for me. Just silly talk.

Edit..Thats ripping the future spine from Real. That carries more Premium!!

 

[ravi2]

Madrid will be fine without him. They'd probably get Otamendi for half the money and he'll become the best CB around. Don't forget they've got the likes of Varane waiting in the wings. I'd rather we went for him.

Well Jesus so would I but Varane is going no where. Thats like getting Muller from Bayern or Scholes from United for me. Just silly talk.

Actually isnt getting Ramos from Real the same parallel as getting Muller from Bayern or Scholes from United?
I dont think Varane is in the same class as the other players you mentioned...yet.

 

[RedorDead21]

Actually isnt getting Ramos from Real the same parallel as getting Muller from Bayern or Scholes from United?
I dont think Varane is in the same class as the other players you mentioned...yet.

No pal as its all over the Media that one of them is unhappy with their current standing at the club and their contractual demands...i.e. Ramos!

PS Varane is as far ahead though for his age IMO as any we are talking about.......

 

[pocco]

Well Jesus so would I but Varane is going no where. Thats like getting Muller from Bayern or Scholes from United for me. Just silly talk.

Edit..Thats ripping the future spine from Real. That carries more Premium!!

Just a few weeks ago it sounded like there might be a chance. He seemed open to the idea of signing for us before going Madrid. Before this Ramos thing kicked off most would have said there's a far greater chance that Varane would leave as opposed to Ramos. Personally I still see it that way. Ramos will sign a new deal and Varane will look elsewhere.

 

[BobbyManc]

Don't want United to get him. Vastly experienced at every level and I firmly believe he is a world class CB. Disciplinary record leaves a lot to be desired but quite simply you don't be a mainstay in Real Madrid's defence for a decade and not be a very good defender. The main issue would be whether he could strike up an effective partnership with any of your current CB's.

 

[ravi2]

Just a few weeks ago it sounded like there might be a chance. He seemed open to the idea of signing for us before going Madrid. Before this Ramos thing kicked off most would have said there's a far greater chance that Varane would leave as opposed to Ramos. Personally I still see it that way. Ramos will sign a new deal and Varane will look elsewhere.

If Ramos is carrying on like this for a better deal then he has taken it too far.
If one wants to get a better deal and not piss off his everyone around him, just play the media like Dani Alves did.

If this was a strategy from Ramos's team to get him a better contract it is a poor one. At this point Perez has too much ego to bend publicly to the demands of a player...and a CB to boot.

 

[pocco]

If Ramos is carrying on like this for a better deal then he has taken it too far.
If one wants to get a better deal and not piss off his everyone around him, just play the media like Dani Alves did.

If this was a strategy from Ramos's team to get him a better contract it is a poor one. Perez has too much ego to bend publicly to the demands of a player...and a CB to boot.

Ramos hasn't actually said a whole lot when you look at it. It's just paper talk and guesswork from journalists. Alves' agent was far more vocal.

It sounds to me like Perez has already caved and promised contract discussions when he returns.

 

[FC Ronaldo]

Ramos hasn't actually said a whole lot when you look at it. It's just paper talk and guesswork from journalists. Alves' agent was far more vocal.

It sounds to me like Perez has already caved and promised contract discussions when he returns.

Agreed. There hasn't been anything official from anyone and to me that suggests it's just a story everyone is happy to use as a deflection to get what they want behind the scenes. Would love the 'what if' though...

 

[izec]

Ramos hasn't actually said a whole lot when you look at it. It's just paper talk and guesswork from journalists. Alves' agent was far more vocal.

It sounds to me like Perez has already caved and promised contract discussions when he returns.

My opinion too. We are wasting our time again. Hope we realise it and go for Otamendi soon.

 

[RedorDead21]

Just a few weeks ago it sounded like there might be a chance. He seemed open to the idea of signing for us before going Madrid. Before this Ramos thing kicked off most would have said there's a far greater chance that Varane would leave as opposed to Ramos. Personally I still see it that way. Ramos will sign a new deal and Varane will look elsewhere.

ok but if both were available I'd rank our chances of Ramos choosing us greater than varane. I just think Mourinho would get Varane for reasons beyond our control. Alot of the senior players were not so enthused by him at Real but I think him and Varane got on well from reports. Just my thoughts.

 

[RedorDead21]

My opinion too. We are wasting our time again. Hope we realise it and go for Otamendi soon.

Otamendi has had one v impressive season by all accounts...he's 28 correct? I'd personally side with Stones who has looked v impressive in the PL for just as long and far younger again. Perhaps cheaper too and defo wages wise. I like Stones alot though dont expect many on here to go with that.

 

[izec]

Otamendi has had one v impressive season by all accounts...he's 28 correct? I'd personally side with Stones who has looked v impressive in the PL for just as long and far younger again. Perhaps cheaper too and defo wages wise. I like Stones alot though dont expect many on here to go with that.

We need experience. Stones is exactly what we dont need at this stage, even though i think he is very good. Otamendi is 27, and his season was exceptional. He seems an excellent defender, one season or not. Ramos would be my preferred choice, but unrealistic.