Personally I think that he will play in Madrid (David) this season, but if I were the president I would offer 25m€ or I would wait a year, the satisfaction of getting him for free exceeds everything
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And I were Woody id hold on to him for a year. Having hm for an extra year will mean a lot more for us.
I hope Perez does this too. And then next year Casilla/Navas mistakes make Barca champion.
Then I hope that his performances will be better than against PSG
I think if we let him go this summer, it's because he's pissed off Van Gaal and he wants him out. There's no way that Ed and the board are pushing Van Gaal to let him go because of the money.
Fantastic! The penalty deals if the transfer doesn't happen which exist only in Marca and co. journos imagination.
But we can sign him the 1st of January, and therefore wouldn´t affect the banUnless you get that transfer ban next season that is
Diego Torres is one of the best journalist in Spain.Are you totally sure , 100% that according the law, a civil contract wouldn´t be valid?
The second part is undoubtedly true - I can't imagine otherwise. The first part is - I suppose - a possibility. If it's the case, then I'd like to see LVG's exact reasons - put it like that. In general, you obviously prefer to rather get rid of a player who wants out and who only has a year left on his contract - nobody will dispute that. But these are pretty exceptional circumstances.
If DDG has been causing trouble behind the scenes that we don't know about - then fair enough. Can't have that, obviously. But if it's JUST the principle of the thing, i.e. LVG preferring to have a settled keeper situation, then...well, I'm inclined to question his judgment. If he prefers to ship DDG out and replace him with a significantly worse alternative (this is again, of course, based on the assumption that DDG will perform as well as can be expected in his final season) just...because...then I certainly wouldn't recommend it. I would much prefer to keep him on and start working on a top class replacement for next summer.
But we can sign him the 1st of January, and therefore wouldn´t affect the ban
You could agree a pre contract with him no problem but you couldn't register him while he's still a United player, so if you had a transfer ban next summer he couldn't play for you until it's over.
No idea if you are likely to actually have a ban next summer though.
Those type of agreements exist only in the spanish press no one else ever mentions them because they are most likely nonsense, they spouted that shit about a contract already signed in 2008 where by Ronaldo and Real signed a deal to ensure the move happened and there would be penalties if it didn't and yet Ronaldo stayed another year.
It would be against Fifa rules for any player to sign a civil agreement with one club while registered to another. I think the only exception is if your contract is nearly up (6 months) you can agree a pre contract with a foreign club.
But we can sign him the 1st of January, and therefore wouldn´t affect the ban
That's not true. It's a registration ban, so you won't be able to register players.
You can't register De Gea until his contract is up at United (you can't be registered for 2 clubs). So you can sign him on a pre contract in Jan, but if you get a ban, you still can't register him.
But in that situation, neither can we. He'd be contractually tied to Madrid and unable to resign with us or anyone else, but Madrid wouldn't be able to register him to play until their ban ended. If that happens his bird would want to be putting some serious moves together in the bedroom to keep him happy!
I can not believe this Ramos/De Gea nonsense is going to drag out all summer. I hate transfer windows.
Fact is we won't sell him for €25 m, it would be pointless now, and all this 'we will sign him for free then' is all too convenient for me, he will be out no 1 keeper this season if he stays, and if he goes ahead and signs for Madrid on a free in January things could get very difficult for him here, and he'll want to be performing (and playing) to his best for the Euros, plus factor in he Mendes trying to keep everyone happy into the bargain, no for me if he stays it won't pan out like you think.
Also what if Navas steps up and is fantastic, what then? Will DDG still fancy it, will Madrid still want him than for any other reason than they think can get him for free?
As I have always thought (and said) this still has a long way to go yet.
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Then I don´t know why he writes it,is a very good journalist and certainly he is not doing propaganda for Florentino.Could not be that civil contract signed in the name of René (who would be legally responsible ) to skip the rule of FIFA?
About the transfer ban, there is a strange situacion with a kid from Venezuela, Godoy, for some mistake in Spanish federation and Madrid ( http://www.elconfidencial.com/depor...panola-de-futbol-godoy-venezuela-fifa_935956/ ), although the club explained it in a statement in january I wouldn´t be surprised if there are bad news in future
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Unless you get that transfer ban next season that is
Does that apply to free transfers as well?
Wasn't that transfer ban story squashed?
With Iker in Porto, I think that David won´t be starter in the Euro, even coming to Madrid, the press would have to work hard to change Del Bosque´s mind. When the market is closed? probably will have to wait until last days to know the solution
You can't punish an agent over a player not moving.
Ridiculous. Conflict of interest etc, it could never be legal. What if he were to change agents before the end of next season?
Poor Rene
It's a story invented by the Spanish press. If it were legal it would be commonplace.
But it's not
Ridiculous. Conflict of interest etc, it could never be legal. What if he were to change agents before the end of next season?
Poor Rene
It's a story invented by the Spanish press. If it were legal it would be commonplace.
But it's not
Madness really that DDG isn't first choice already, Iker is in decline it's pretty clear, a good season at Porto doesn't change that, if DDG has a season like last Del Bosque will be crazy to over look him.
Window in Uk close 1st Sept, no way will United let him go anyway near the deadline day, unless we have replacement in and Madrid are ready to give us what we want (£35 m, or Ramos).
If he's still here on Sept 2nd then I'll be quite happy, and whilst prepared for it to pan out as you and Madrid expect, I wouldn't be surprised if it works out differently.
I do not think it works like that. He would be a United player until the end of his contract. After that his registration will change hands. So if his contract expires at some date post end of season and after the transfer window opens, you probably would not be allowed to register him as I believe it is still deemed a transfer of registration. Not sure you will get a ban, so probably won't matter.But we can sign him the 1st of January, and therefore wouldn´t affect the ban
Well any contract of that nature signed by Ramos's brother would still be on Sergio's behalf, so not only would it not serve much purpose (how would United signing a contract with sergio's brother actually mean anything) but i imagine it is also against Fifa rules since it is still connected to the player.
No i think the whole concept of these 'contracts' are an invention by the spanish media. If they were common within football every country would report them but only the spanish ever mention them. Much like the british press are forever reporting about mega money swap deals that very very rarely ever happen. Maybe 1 or 2 actually went through in the last 10-20 years which is most likely just a coincidence.
About the transfer ban, there is a strange situacion with a kid from Venezuela, Godoy, for some mistake in Spanish federation and Madrid ( http://www.elconfidencial.com/depor...panola-de-futbol-godoy-venezuela-fifa_935956/ ), although the club explained it in a statement in january I wouldn´t be surprised if there are bad news in future
Even if Real got a ban they could just appeal it like Barca did and have it suspended for a year and stock up on 2 years worth of signings. So most likely you will be able to register De Gea next summer either way.
Can you register him as a player if the ban is in place before he arrives?But we can sign him the 1st of January, and therefore wouldn´t affect the ban
I think they could register him yeah, as he will be a free agent and the ban is for transfers of players, no? You can sign free agents any time of the year like we did Scholes.
Sell De Gea if he's hearts set and move on to another target.
Keep him and hope he has a change of heart? Dunno, it's probably best to cash in than have a player who's not completely focused sit on the bench for a season. Surprised we didn't tie down to a massive contract 18 months back, though. We should've dealt with this and ADM's transfer more efficiently.
I dont know if there was a more efficient way to deal with ADM's transfer, he didnt seem to like playing at OT or life in Manchester (or his wife didnt like it)...either way he is gone and we did well to recoup most of his transfer fee.
The transfer ban is a ban on registration of new players(hence Barca being able to sell/buy despite the ban).
If its the same as the one Barca have, then I would imagine so, as its a registration ban rather then a transfer ban.
I would say Mr Torres probably knows full well that those types of contracts don't actually exist. But as with my example of the great swap deal in the British press the concept is probably so entrenched at this point that they just print it anyway knowing it's rubbish.
But he is not a free agent until his contract expires. He can have talks and contract negotiations, but he can't transfer registration until his registration expires with United.
right, so what do you mean then? Am I right?
I believe you are right in free agents are not classed as a transfer, they are treated as a new registration. What I am unsure of is whether a ban refers to registrations or transfers of registrations.
Is this raising it's ugly head again … hope the murmurings of a take-it-or-leave-it sky-high price are not true. As much as I'd like to see him at United it would not be at "any" price! We do need stability right now however I think silly money for a 29 year old veteran would be crazy when there is a chance to invest in quality youth for the future like Stones (however he'd need someone to learn off of … conundrum). I'd take him for: DdG plus, say, £15m (seeing as we're probably willing to let DdG go for nothing next year anyway) but Real would never go for that so just do not see it happening now.
29 year old veteran !!!!!
He's just about in his prime at that age. I would guess he could comfortably play at the very top level for another six years.
You bumped the thread, you tell us.
Semantics (don't pick on my choice of one word when I'm basically agreeing) … it's all just my own personal thoughts but like I said, I'd comfortably accept us paying £15m on top of DdG (rated 20-25m) which is £35-40m which is fair enough I think.
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