Sergej Milinkovic Savic

United Pro said:
He was voted the best midfielder in Seria A last season. He's considerably worse than Pogba though imo.
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Based on a statistical model. Pogba was the best CM in the PL according to whoscored for example

All in all, some of the negativity around his season is down to perception -he went from being one of the 2-3 most decisive players in the league to being a fairly normal good player at the best of times- but in general, he had a pretty bad first half of the season followed by a good but not exceptional second half. Keep in mind the only midfielder who really stood out(and was generally considered the best midfielder in the league throughout the season) was Fabian Ruiz
 
I would trust the Lazio fans who see him week in week out and rate him themselves than some scouts or fans on the internet
 
Doubt anyone can argue that Pogba isnt better player but problem is that we dont know on what level players will be for real comparison. Pogba at best or in sulking/ cant be bothered mode vs X player with lower quality but more/less desire, effort etc.
 
R'hllor said:
Doubt anyone can argue that Pogba isnt better player but problem is that we dont know on what level players will be for real comparison. Pogba at best or in sulking/ cant be bothered mode vs X player with lower quality but more/less desire, effort etc.
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A sulking Pogba has to wonder how Jordan Henderson can lift the Champions League trophy. It's the prime example of desire, efforts...there.
 
Oh god please not this transfer rumor again. The guy is a fraud. I'd rather stick with what we have than sign this guy unless its in the 30-40m range.

Just had a quick google and Im seeing we bid 75 million for him which was rejected. We are so unfortunate.
 
KennyBurner said:
Oh god please not this transfer rumor again. The guy is a fraud. I'd rather stick with what we have than sign this guy unless its in the 30-40m range.

Just had a quick google and Im seeing we bid 75 million for him which was rejected. We are so unfortunate.
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Where did you read that we bid 75m for sms?
 
I don't think we need to spend big on SMS. With Tielemans, Rabiot & Ndombele at their new clubs, we could still salvage this season. I wouldn't want Pogba staying but if he does remain, I still think we need two midfielders, Bruno & Thomas Partey would be my options. Thomas Partey has a terrific engine and would work well with Pogba in a midfield two while Bruno operates up top behind the forwards. That gives us next summer to finalize a replacement for Pogba... Havertz from Bayer may come available then.. Partey would be a good replacement for Herrera.... although Herrera played mostly as a 8 while Partey works as a DM (predominantly in the Matic position). We lost Fellaini and Herrera this past Jan and summer, it only makes sense to have two replacements brought in.

If we got in Bruno, Partey, Maguire & Pepe this summer (which is highly unlikely)

and next summer go for Havertz and Sancho.... we would have done well
 
KennyBurner said:
Oh god please not this transfer rumor again. The guy is a fraud. I'd rather stick with what we have than sign this guy unless its in the 30-40m range.

Just had a quick google and Im seeing we bid 75 million for him which was rejected. We are so unfortunate.
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You really shouldn't believe everything you read, or even 99% of it. We've not bid for him, if we had, the news would be everywhere.
 
I think if the club did buy SMS to replace Pogba, then i'd expect the Serb to play as the most advanced midfielder in a 3 man midfield.
 
bond19821982 said:
Not true, they will sell Khedira, Benta and If needed, Pjanic as well.
Matuidi,Pogba,Rabiot,Ramsey for 3 midfield positions is not bad.
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No way Benta would be sold, he is young very good and growing, the only sub for Pjanic and still has a clause with a very high percentage of his resale value that would go to Boca so no reason to sell at all.
The candidates for sale are Matuidi and Khedira. In any event I do not think Juve has funds to invest on either Savic or Pogba. Pogba would love to come back but could only be dealt with thru exchanges certainly not for the 150 m cash MU is looking for, so either he stays or goes to Real.
Personally if i was MU I would trade him for Kroos and Ceballos plus a few millions.

Regarding Savic I read some funny posts that claim his value is 25 million:D Clearly by somebody who has never seen him playing. He certainly does not have the same international experience as Pogba and needs to show to be a top team player, but he is a beast.
Physically he is even more dominant than Paul, he combines that with great technical skill and scoring ability.
Last season was not great for him but he did end it well, in the previous one he was a beast and probably one of the 5 best midfielders in Europe . Lotito is a tough negotiator and asks for too much, but at 70 M Euro he would be a great buy for me, certainly miles better than Fred at 60 for instance
 
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ravi2 said:
Where did you read that we bid 75m for sms?
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Judas said:
You really shouldn't believe everything you read, or even 99% of it. We've not bid for him, if we had, the news would be everywhere.
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Feel much better then. The guy is a fraud. Has been overrated by everyone for no reason. Let’s just stay far away from it given Lazio are also a bit silly with their valuation.
 
I like what I’ve seen of him, but I can’t see Ole being interested at all. Doesn’t he sort of contradict everything we’ve heard about how he wants to play?
 
2 man midfield said:
I like what I’ve seen of him, but I can’t see Ole being interested at all. Doesn’t he sort of contradict everything we’ve heard about how he wants to play?
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Not sure. Sounds like a team player. His biggest player crush as a manager where probably Magnus Wolf Eikrem. Built his team around him at Molde. Not the typical Solskjaer-player, but someone who adds something different.

I also remember when he came in at Molde and he kept talking about the importance of removing what he called «Big Time Charlies». Got rid of what was probably the best player in the team at the time. It is obviously more difficult at Man Utd, but I’m sure he will want to do the same at Man Utd.
 
andersj said:
Not sure. Sounds like a team player. His biggest player crush as a manager where probably Magnus Wolf Eikrem. Built his team around him at Molde. Not the typical Solskjaer-player, but someone who adds something different.

I also remember when he came in at Molde and he kept talking about the importance of removing what he called «Big Time Charlies». Got rid of what was probably the best player in the team at the time. It is obviously more difficult at Man Utd, but I’m sure he will want to do the same at Man Utd.
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That’s interesting, I hadn’t heard that before.
 
SMS is a good player but has not been consistent for Lazio last season. If we could get him back playing like he was 2 years ago, then he would be great for us. But my choice of midfielder that we need most would be Thomas Partey.
 
Bestietom said:
SMS is a good player but has not been consistent for Lazio last season. If we could get him back playing like he was 2 years ago, then he would be great for us. But my choice of midfielder that we need most would be Thomas Partey.
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That's hear say. He won the Seria A midfielder of the season.
 
I've only seen him at the world cup 18 and similar to Celabos performances for Madrid, I cannot understand the hype these players get for competitive performances.

He was a passenger in the midfield for Serbia, offered nothing on the ball. You can see he's technically sound but how much does his technical proficiency influence his role in a team environment ? The difference is Pogba for example is a technical player but it replicates itself in his performances, he's the best passer, best dribbler and is efficient in front of goal due to his range. I guess that question of influence will never be answered unless he's here and performing.

Is SMS like a Modric who isn't flashy but has a solid influence in the midfield, compared to someone like Isco who is gifted technically but cannot impose himself consistently over a course of 90 mins.
 
KennyBurner said:
Feel much better then. The guy is a fraud. Has been overrated by everyone for no reason. Let’s just stay far away from it given Lazio are also a bit silly with their valuation.
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We'll only bid for him if Pogba is off, which he probably will be.
 
Its no doubt about his football talent and ball handling. But someone, some coach has to decide, tell and advice him at his best position on the pitch is a free cam role behind the striker. A free nr.10 playmaker. If im coaching him. I would tell to him to forget to try to be a central midfield player. Because your big body is not make to play as a cm player. He could reach a higher level as a cam than a cm.
Savic is a kind of player you dont limit the way he is playing and express himself. The only thing you limit him is to stay away from midfield. As a free nr.10, you will get the best out him. You can be everywhere you want in the final third of the pitch, that is where he is best.
This us a guy who has so high confidence about his skills, so he think he can player everywhere on the pitch. Someone get to guide and tell. If not his football career will go backwards and he will waste his football talent.

As his coach. You get to boss him, but at the same time give him a free role as a nr.10. If, not he will be everwhere on the pitch. Playing as a free nr.10, but taking over the nr.6 and nr.8 job too. Tell him to save the energy for the final third. As big as he is, explosive and take on players really often. He will gas out if run all over place and pitch.

As a free nr.10.

Felix went to A.Madrid
Bruno i prefer as the young Scholes/a young nr.8, rather than i nr.10
Then you have the boy from Fiorentina Federico Chiesa. Who i think i would prefer over Savic. Chiesa is more athletic, work harder, more easier on the toes. And can play on both wings.

So again. Back to Savic. If you know how to get the best out of him. He can be really good. A replacement for Lukaku, not Pogba.

Line up with him

Sancho/Chiesa - Bruno/Longstaff/Fabian Ruiz - Idrissa Gana/Rice - Martial/James/Chiesa + Savic/Chiesa + Rashford/Greenwood

There you have. A free role behind Rashford and infront of the four midfield. Link up with the midfield and attack/CF

Its how United will get the best out of him. IF, United have him in the team. But again. At this moment. I like F.Chiesa hard working and mentality abilities more, even Savic is more skillful than Chiesa. Savic belongs at this moment one of the most skillful player on earth. But you get to know how to use him. Its a wild free Lion. His confidence is so high. You have to been able to handle him. He knows he is a really good football player.
In others words. This boy is not lacking of confidence. He does has that arrogant presence. So that are mine observations about him. Not a recommendation, but a description of him as a football player and his mentality.

Sum up. A high confidence and skillful football player. A player that might dribble 2/3 players and still been able to score.
 
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Valar Morghulis said:
Could they play well together in the one system maximising each of their strengths? If so, then Pogba for SMS and Bruno doesn't sound like a bad trade.
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SMS is a slighty less technically gifted but more hardworking version of Pogba. Last season he was running at the tune of an average 11.3 km per game. That's around Kante's level (11.63 km last season, 11.09km the season before). He's comfortable as both no 10 and as a CM although he prefers the former role. In the former role he would of course score more goals. Think of him as a fusion between Pogba and Fellaini (not just the qualities but also the weaknesses). He's less technically gifted then Pogba. However he compensate to that with workrate, aerial dominance, passion, and physical strength.

Bruno and SMS could work. The former is attacking minded but he would carry his share of workrate. However, for it to work we'll need someone who's a defensive beast. A mobile player who will break the opposition's tempo etc.
 
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devilish said:
SMS is a slighty less technically gifted but more hardworking version of Pogba. Last season he was running at the tune of an average 11.3 km per game. That's around Kante's level (11.63 km last season, 11.09km the season before). He's comfortable as both no 10 and as a CM although he prefers the former role. In the former role he would of course score more goals. Think of him as a fusion between Pogba and Fellaini (not just the qualities but also the weaknesses). He's less technically gifted then Pogba. However he compensate to that with workrate, aerial dominance, passion, and physical strength.

Bruno and SMS could work. The former is attacking minded but he would carry his share of workrate. However, for it to work we'll need someone who's a defensive beast. A mobile player who will break the opposition's tempo etc.
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What did Pogba run for Juve? I noticed that his tackle and interception stats are weaker for United than for Juve or for France. I wondered if Mourinho regime had affected him in that regard.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
What did Pogba run for Juve? I noticed that his tackle and interception stats are weaker for United than for Juve or for France. I wondered if Mourinho regime had affected him in that regard.
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I have to check that. Pogba was never a great runner.
 
It's just media BS, no wonder it surfaced after Raiola talked to the media.
Every possible replacement for Pogba will be brought up by the media until Paul actually leaves.
 
beingshe7don said:
I don't think we need to spend big on SMS. With Tielemans, Rabiot & Ndombele at their new clubs, we could still salvage this season. I wouldn't want Pogba staying but if he does remain, I still think we need two midfielders, Bruno & Thomas Partey would be my options. Thomas Partey has a terrific engine and would work well with Pogba in a midfield two while Bruno operates up top behind the forwards. That gives us next summer to finalize a replacement for Pogba... Havertz from Bayer may come available then.. Partey would be a good replacement for Herrera.... although Herrera played mostly as a 8 while Partey works as a DM (predominantly in the Matic position). We lost Fellaini and Herrera this past Jan and summer, it only makes sense to have two replacements brought in.

If we got in Bruno, Partey, Maguire & Pepe this summer (which is highly unlikely)

and next summer go for Havertz and Sancho.... we would have done well
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Has there been any links to partey? I think he would be a decent fit too. I’d like Pepe but think it’s unrealistic and not Maguire for the money. Take Bruno definitely. Good midfield all of a sudden
 
He seems well suited to United. A mid-table talent for a mid table team with the potential of improving. If he does improve loads, United could be stepping stone for him.

But he's not English and under-fed. Doesn't fit Ole's profile for a transfer.
 
Beagle said:
He seems well suited to United. A mid-table talent for a mid table team with the potential of improving. If he does improve loads, United could be stepping stone for him.

But he's not English and under-fed. Doesn't fit Ole's profile for a transfer.
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This is great banter! It really is.
 
F*ck it. Let's go full Serbian. Get SMS and Milenkovic, flog Pogba and not get bent over for Maguire.
 
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