Hows he going to do that when we need a 3 man midfield for Pogba?
Sergej Milinkovic Savic
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Hows he going to do that when we need a 3 man midfield for Pogba?
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Mourinho likes his 4-2-3-1
But does he like it with Pogba as one of the deep CMs? I dont think so long term. Think he'd be more likely to want to use him as the 10 himself or off the wing because he'll get fed up of Pogba not doing a great job defending
2014/2015 Juventus formation:
As it appeared in the final vs Barcelona. The season Pogba had his best year at Juventus
If Pogba no longer has to be the one making things happen creatively further upfield, his performances in the double pivot will undoubtedly improve. It wasnt by coincidence that at the start of the season, before his 3 months lay off, whilst Mhkitaryan was still playing well as a 10, Pogba had his best period in the double pivot role of the 4-2-3-1.
It can work I guess, with Fred providing the tenacity that Vidal provided although we would need a better passer than Matic, a prime Carrick would have been perfect.2014/2015 Juventus formation:
As it appeared in the final vs Barcelona. The season Pogba had his best year at Juventus
This is what Kezmann says of him:
"He can play in different positions and still be a key player. He can play near the striker as a trequartista or as a more orthodox central midfielder, protecting the back four. "
This just reinforces my belief he can play in the hole in a 4-2-3-1
"He can play in different positions and still be a key player. He can play near the striker as a trequartista or as a more orthodox central midfielder, protecting the back four. "
This just reinforces my belief he can play in the hole in a 4-2-3-1
Pogba might have been a top AM in Serie A, but he's not suited to the role in the PL or the CL. He's far too slow to release the ball and his movement is generally towards the ball rather than into the spaces (which is Lingard's greatest strength and why he's currently first choice).
But Savic's natural inclination is exactly what's required for that position. He'd dovetail well with Pogba, imo.
Pogba's got bucketloads of talent. Asking him to drop back won't necessarily limit it him. That shift from high up the pitch to a little bit deeper is a well-travelled route, not least for the greatest midfielders of the last 20 years (Scholes, Xavi, Pirlo, Modric). It's not a bad thing to have a midfielder that's as talented as many other teams' #10.
But Savic's natural inclination is exactly what's required for that position. He'd dovetail well with Pogba, imo.
Pogba's got bucketloads of talent. Asking him to drop back won't necessarily limit it him. That shift from high up the pitch to a little bit deeper is a well-travelled route, not least for the greatest midfielders of the last 20 years (Scholes, Xavi, Pirlo, Modric). It's not a bad thing to have a midfielder that's as talented as many other teams' #10.
He's quality despite being overpriced a bit and if we can get him I'll be thrilled. Imagine a window of Savic, Fred, Sandro, a RB, Toby and Bale. Instantly up there with City in terms of quality. Maybe Mourinho's determined to prove his critics wrong this season.
2014/2015 Juventus formation:
As it appeared in the final vs Barcelona. The season Pogba had his best year at Juventus
Pogba was still the most advanced option in a 3 men CM that year. Both Allegri and Conte toyed with his position and both came to the same conclusion.
Strictly speaking I think that Pogba and SMS can play together ironically using either of the formations above (Barca or Juventus). HOWEVER it will need a radical change to our formation, probably getting rid of the wingers for good.
No, Pogba drifted to the left in the 4312 whereas Vidal or Marchisio was the most advanced midfielder. Pogba only played in Pirlo’s position or central-left.
Lets agree to disagree on this but I feel that Pogba's best role is that of the most attacking option in a 3 men CM.
Exactly. At no point in his best season was he employed behind the two strikers. And even in the 4-3-3 he operated on the left as an 8. Pretty similar to how Modric and Kroos do at Real Madrid. He has never been comfortable or as effective as high up as the likes of KDB and D. Silva play at City. That is why its never surprises me when his effectiveness has been up and down for us whenever we have used him there.
We won't sign 6 players though - 4 at most is my guess ( one midfielder, left back, centre back and back up striker).
In an ideal world we bring in the 6 recruits you've mentioned.
Out - Carrick, Fellaini, Darmian, Jones, (unfortunately Martial).
I hope the club has attitude I have - we just saw City break too many records to tighten our belts. We have to take steps needed to get the top talent that gives us a chance of competing even when pricy.
This kid looks good. Get him. Keep Pogba. Put another 100 mil towards fullbacks and then gut the rotten ones.
(I've activated full on muppet mode.. batteries charged to last til Aug)
This kid looks good. Get him. Keep Pogba. Put another 100 mil towards fullbacks and then gut the rotten ones.
(I've activated full on muppet mode.. batteries charged to last til Aug)
Why Jones and not Rojo?
Rojo signed a new contract, so i'm guessing he is not leaving this summer. Jones has been given way too many chances already. Both can go, I wouldn't bat an eyelid.
Back up striker?
Don't you think a RW or RB should be more important?
That line refers to what I think we will get, not what I want. In the next sentence I state that in an ideal world we bring in 6 new recruits as aforementioned by another poster which included (Fred, Sandro, Savic, RB, Bale, Alderweireld).
What by spending £350 million, which is what it would likely take to bring that lot to the club, having already spent £250 million, yeah that'd really prove them wrong..
We could do with at least a RB, LB, CB, 2 x CM, RW, and a back up striker, but the fact he is now two years in and we still need so much is worrying to me, & unless I'm mistaken Woodward and Jose said they don't want to have a high turnover of players anymore, yet here we are.
Yeah I'm finding it hard to be excited for this transfer window, and I'm usually a very giddy muppet. I don't see how a big turnover is going to help the team chemistry either.
Aye, Jose is the ultimate 'muppet' slayer, it's hard to get excited when you know any signings will just be slotted in to his system, and any improvement will be marginal.
Muppet Master.
That’s why he’s affectionately known as No Way Jose.
Think its Lazio owner fishing for a price that teams are willing to pay. No one will pay that much for savic apart from PSG maybe. Psg might be facing FFP sanctions so this will not happen. I think unless he has a blinder of a world cup, most probable outcome is he stays there another year. He does love mourinho though and is good friends with matic so if we do make a move, our chances are good. I do think the only way we sign him is if pogba goes to PSG/madrid.
Nobody is going to pay close to £100m for an unproven player in a different league, it's just crazy.
The guy does look really talented but we saw Pogba had problems getting used to the tempo, this kid could flop also. It's a huge risk.
If Jose starts the season with Lingard Mata Herrera and Young as starters then we will struggle for top 4 imo. These four are not regular starting quality. I know that’s your second choice team but even still these guys need upgrades.
I don't think this move is dead in the water as some have mentioned. Hasn't Mourinho made it clear he wants two CM's? Fred being one of them, and Jorginho is going to City? Apart from them two and Fabinho, I haven't seen us linked to any other CM's ? Lazio missed out on CL football last minute so he will most likely want a move away from the club and Lazio won't be able to turn down a decent offer. I can see negotiations dragging out and going beyond the WC but I think we will sign him.
Think it'll depend on Fellaini, he's still got a month left on his contract so I imagine that'll go right down to the wire.
IF he decides to stay then we won't buy anybody else, if he leaves then we might pull the trigger, but if Lazio truly want 100m euros then we will look elsewhere, Matic/Pogba/Fred is still a pretty decent midfield with Herrera/Fellaini in rotation.
He doesn't get to decide to stay, that's up to the club, if they don't offer him a new contract then he's leaving regardless of whether he wants to stay.
I think we have offered him a new contract but him and his agent are dragging it out/looking elsewhere. There were strong rumours about him joining Milan.
In all fairness, I'd keep him. I wouldn't want to see him starting loads of games for us or even coming on against the likes of Brighton/Huddersfield etc to get a win, but he offers us an options when we can't break the better teams down i.e. against Arsenal. He's almost like a cheat option at times to just launch it into the box.
Mourinho's made it pretty clear we've offered him a new contract and he wants him to stay.
We did offer him a new contract, he rejected it, if he's now looking elsewhere I doubt we'll offer him the same contract again.
Have seen him like 4-5 times this season and interestingly enough all the time he was rather shitty. So i am like, i don't even know what to think. I mean clearly number don't lie, 5th place is still a great result for Lazio team and a midfielders who scores 10+ in league is obviously doing something right. But it is what it is, sure i watched him in Roma, Juve, Napoli games, of course i don't watch Lazio versus italian West Ham, but you kind of expect him to make his mark there, i mean a player with a good potential must also play well in games against better sides.
Nowhere does it say he's rejected it, he's just not accepted it. The offer is on the table.
Just don't be surprised for him to renew.
I'd be surprised if our plan a was a 100 million player and our plan b is a bloke who has never broken into our first team squad in a meaningful way.
Marouane Fellaini says hello.
Why?