Agree apart from Tony, he’s the best right back in the league for me.
Sell before you buy - so who is off?
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Agree apart from Tony, he’s the best right back in the league for me.
Apart from Young (we should keep and Martial hopefully will flourish) we hopefully should be able to buy better players.
I never said that squad players aren't good enough. I don't mind if he is 3rd or 4th choice but he is picked over better players again and again, sometimes he can't even pass the ball properly. I never said we need 11 superstars on the pitch everytime. You are ok with mediocre players getting chances again and again even though they perform badly but I find that baffling. We are in this position because of signing mediocre players for many years. At least I'm not saying Martial, Lindelof and Mkhi should be sold. United through and through? Really? Being mediocre is United?
He will leave and play really well for some other team, people will cry here and we will have another Pogba situation where we buy him back for record transfer fees. That's what you want?
We should do everything to keep Martial, he'll flourish when we get new attacking coach to replace Jose in 2019 if Jose is leaving for PSG
What's the use of having a player that won't give us quality product, just for the fear of him suceeding anywhere else? He's not even a key player and with 80M quid you could actually try someone else.
The great problem has been our transfer activity. We are being awful at hiring players. And the functional players we hired, they all cost an arm and a leg.
We need a different market approach ASAP.
I love Tony, he would run through brick walls for this team and I wouldn't be surprised if he could. But he's not great offensively and he's getting on in age. Keep him in the squad but I think he needs replacing as a starter. Wouldn't mind seeing TFM given a go at the RB spot tbh.
The amount of people that want lindelof gone is crazy.Give the guy a chance,we haven't seen enough of him and JM has A good eye for signing defenders.
Got to remember Vidic/Evra in their first games!
My point being, nobody took a blind bit of notice over any of the 'deficiencies' Mkhi may have when we were winning and scoring plenty of goals - because he was doing his job and creating chances.
Zlatan was considered 'peripheral' figure during the same campaign in which he scored 28 goals - because he was doing his job and not involving himself in the game as a whole.
Mkhi's form has dipped. As and when we seen an improvement in results, I'd wager that Mkhi will have a hand in such an upturn.
Bore off.
And his early assists this season?
If you hadn't noticed, the entire team has been performing poorly, Mkhi no exception. If the team improves, he'll have a hand in that.
Anyone who registers 23 goals and 32 assists in a single season, isn't 'shite'.
He has been trying his best this season, what can he do if Mourinho asks him to defend too? Most of the time when he gets the ball there are at least 2 or 3 defenders around him and the fullback on the left side doesn't help him much. He is just 21 and you expect him play at his peak. He is benched whenever he has a bad game and also sometimes when he has a good game. Right now none of the players are playing well, I know that right now he isn't a key player but he has the potential to become a key player. What if we buy a new player for 80m and he also fails? When will people realize that money isn't the solution always?
That is the major problem. It seems that the only functional players we hired cost an arm and a leg, but players that have a "normal" cost are usually subpar.
We really need a whole new different approach on the market. We lack staff with courage to buy potential players that haven't played in their countries top clubs yet. Because when they get to top clubs, they will cost us big bucks. We have the assumption that the guy who plays for Bordeaux will first need to prove his value at some EPL midtable club to be worthy to play under Man Utd shirt.
We should really know better. Man Utd is an estabilished club, we were suppose to have a great scouting network resource to solve some of our lack of quality depth. Instead we go after obvious targets that cost millions. Modern football, I guess.
It was just an expression. Anyway, being unable to get into a midfield that was probably the best at that time iss no shame. It wasn't all about reservations either. At least 50% flat out talked him down and labelled him a luxury player. He's hardly pulling up trees at Bayern, but then, Bayern as a team are hardly pulling off trees either. He's been good since Jupp returned and Bayern improved, popping up with few goals and assists while playing well too. The Mkhi you called average is also up there on the reasons many didn't wan't James, because he offers pace unlike James, while completely ignoring many things James has in his locker that Mkhi can only dream of and the fact Mkhi is a square peg in a round hole that was hardly going to make the position his.
Yeah he's getting some unfair stick. He's not settled yet clearly.
8 changes. Current players rated in bad to worse. Some are good enough to be backups and squad players but I've mentioned who we could replace them with which would give us an incredible squad.
Herrera (Unless he's used as a CDM backup) - Milinkovic-Savic
Mkhitaryan (Unless he's used as a winger) - Greizmann
Darmian - Meunier
Carrick - Seri
Smalling - Gimenez
Lingard - Martins
Lindelof - Gimenez
Shaw - Rose
Genuinely wouldn't care if any of these were sold in January/the summer if the players mentioned were their replacements.
First team
Don't be fooled in thinking that Jose hasn't got a list like this! Ruthless.
Herrera (Unless he's used as a CDM backup) - Milinkovic-Savic
Mkhitaryan (Unless he's used as a winger) - Greizmann
Darmian - Meunier
Carrick - Seri
Smalling - Gimenez
Lingard - Martins
Lindelof - Gimenez
Shaw - Rose
Genuinely wouldn't care if any of these were sold in January/the summer if the players mentioned were their replacements.
First team
De Gea
Meunier Bailly Rojo Rose
Matic
Pogba M-Savic
Martins Zlatan Greizmann
Second teamMeunier Bailly Rojo Rose
Matic
Pogba M-Savic
Martins Zlatan Greizmann
Romero
Valencia Gimenez Jones Blind
Seri Fellaini
Rashford Mata Martial
Lukaku
Valencia Gimenez Jones Blind
Seri Fellaini
Rashford Mata Martial
Lukaku
Don't be fooled in thinking that Jose hasn't got a list like this! Ruthless.
Bloody. Get. The. Feck. In.
Get Woody on that phone!!
I'd get rid of Shaw, Fellaini, Mata, Mkhi, Carrick immediately and look to replace Young, Ibra, Jones and Smalling by next summer and beyond. Lots of mediocre or ageing players we don't need.
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Are the players listed in this thread really that bad and not man utd quality or is the manager the problem ?
I think that a lot of people expecting 8 or 9 players to be sold/leave/retire and the same amount to be brought in is unrealistic.
It's very rare for this to ever happen and even less common for it to actually work given the amount of time it will take for all the new arrivals to gel. Look at AC Milan this season, although admittedly some of the players they signed are quite poor but it still shows that wholesale changes take time to work.
My 2 pennies for what it's worth would be:
Darmian - sell to anyone in Italy that will have him back
Carrick - will retire
Shaw - I don't think it's ever going to work, cut the chord
Mata - Never been his biggest fan and doesn't really have a position in any system we play
Zlatan - Will go to America for his swansong
Players I'd like us to target:
Tierney - I am a Celtic fan and this guy is the real deal. Could be left back for 10+ years. Quick, strong, good in the tackle, gets up and down the pitch all day and has great delivery. I'd also prioritise left back over right back as Valencia could still do another season.
Pulisic - Would give us a much needed outlet on the right
Goretzka - Can perform most of the midfield roles and is available on a free
Griezmann - Jose and Woodward want that marquee name (please not Bale!!)
In addition to this I certainly wouldn't say no to Ozil on a free if the rumours are true and I would bring back Perreria and TFM into the squad after their loans. I also wouldn't be too upset to move on Smalling for reasonable money given we have decent depth at centre back.
It's very rare for this to ever happen and even less common for it to actually work given the amount of time it will take for all the new arrivals to gel. Look at AC Milan this season, although admittedly some of the players they signed are quite poor but it still shows that wholesale changes take time to work.
My 2 pennies for what it's worth would be:
Darmian - sell to anyone in Italy that will have him back
Carrick - will retire
Shaw - I don't think it's ever going to work, cut the chord
Mata - Never been his biggest fan and doesn't really have a position in any system we play
Zlatan - Will go to America for his swansong
Players I'd like us to target:
Tierney - I am a Celtic fan and this guy is the real deal. Could be left back for 10+ years. Quick, strong, good in the tackle, gets up and down the pitch all day and has great delivery. I'd also prioritise left back over right back as Valencia could still do another season.
Pulisic - Would give us a much needed outlet on the right
Goretzka - Can perform most of the midfield roles and is available on a free
Griezmann - Jose and Woodward want that marquee name (please not Bale!!)
In addition to this I certainly wouldn't say no to Ozil on a free if the rumours are true and I would bring back Perreria and TFM into the squad after their loans. I also wouldn't be too upset to move on Smalling for reasonable money given we have decent depth at centre back.
He's the midfield jamie vardy, except he had his decent season is a worse league.
His performances at the start of the year were awful too, he just happened to grab a couple of assists.
He's just not very good, I thought we'd all pretty much agreed on this. A cheap fix to bolster our attacking numbers. He'll be gone in the summer.
Have a good clear out of the dross, including:
Lindelof
Lingard
Shaw
Fellaini
Mata
Mkhi
Carrick
Darmian
Bring in a couple full backs, a couple midfielders, and a right winger. Don't need a defender; Tuanzebe can replace Lindelof and we'll have Rojo back in a few months.
If we keep persisting with players who keep performing shit then we'll keep going around in circles.
Lindelof
Lingard
Shaw
Fellaini
Mata
Mkhi
Carrick
Darmian
Bring in a couple full backs, a couple midfielders, and a right winger. Don't need a defender; Tuanzebe can replace Lindelof and we'll have Rojo back in a few months.
If we keep persisting with players who keep performing shit then we'll keep going around in circles.
Mata is more productive than Pedro will ever be in his EPL career
Your definition of ‘decent’ is very different to mine.
Arthur from Gremio is on the cards. Barca, Chelsea, City are all interested. Attacking midfielder in the mould of Modric/Silva they say.
That is how they always say. Can't wait for us to sign him and then realises he could do a job at LB.
Shaw, Young, Carrick, Fellaini, Herrera, Mata, Mkhitaryan, Lingard, Darmian, Valencia, are all in the frame to move on over the next 2 windows, because of age or just not good enough. There could be others added to this list before this season ends.
There should be no favouritism or mercy, shown. If you are not doing the job "out the door". Some will say the same goes for the manager, but whoever the manager is, he has to be backed in the transfer market. We don't want to see City pull further and further away.
There should be no favouritism or mercy, shown. If you are not doing the job "out the door". Some will say the same goes for the manager, but whoever the manager is, he has to be backed in the transfer market. We don't want to see City pull further and further away.
The problem with giving players huge wages despite people brushing them off is that it's hard to sell them as other clubs can't afford the wages the players do not want to give up. It's not easy getting rid of players to smaller clubs when you take wages into account. United would have to pay some wages going back, plus the wages of the new players.
All of : Shaw, Carrick, Darmian, Herrera, Fellaini, Mata, Mkhitaryan,Young, Valencia, Lingard, will be gone within the next 2 windows. More will follow after this season is over.
There will be a big shake-up next season, and we do need to get rid of more deadwood before we can bring new players in.
There will be a big shake-up next season, and we do need to get rid of more deadwood before we can bring new players in.
herrera, fellaini, valencia, lingard and mkhitaryan will def stay
If it was that simple, you've to wonder why Young and Valencia are still our first choice WBs and Fellaini is still starting games for us.
I would sell the following players and buy a replacement in the same position.
LB - sell Shaw
RB - sell Darmian
MF - retire Carrick
AM - sell Mata
RW - sell Lingard
LB - sell Shaw
RB - sell Darmian
MF - retire Carrick
AM - sell Mata
RW - sell Lingard
Fair enough.
He was given many chances by 2 managers.
In his first season, he was too fat/unfit to play.
In his second season, he started well, but then got injured.
In his third season, he was unfit/overweight and injury prone.
This season, he looks like a young man who has given up. He is overweight, unshaven and just doesn't look like he is aiming to impress anybody, let alone a manager of the calibre of Jose.
Complete surrender.
I have absolutely no idea why anybody would think that he is a good player. He was certainly good a few years ago (lots of potential), but sadly, this is no longer the case.
This is true...
There's not much reasons why Darmian need to go. Lingard should stay too - he's one of our own.
Shaw, Darmian, Lingard, lindelof, Mkhitaryan, Fellaini, Herrera
Zlatan instead of Lukaku? That's so rubbish
You falled for it.
But do you remember Vidic and Evra before they signed for United, both very good players, that was clear to see.
Lindelof, hmmm, not so clear cut that he was a good player before he joined United.