Sell before you buy - so who is off?

Players who might be sold:
Shaw - I thought he had the talent but after the recent comments from Pochettino I have doubts about him.
Mata - Doesn't have the pace and is physically not strong enough.
Young - Too inconsistent.
Smalling - Panics in defence and inconsistent.
Herrera - Was good last season but a limited player.
Darmian - Good enough defensively but not good in attack.

Players who I want to be sold but Jose probably won't let them go :
Fellaini - Should be 4th or 5th midfield choice but is 3rd choice behind Matic and Pogba.
Lingard - Only good enough as a squad player. Won't be sold because he is homegrown.

I feel Mkhi should be given another chance and more freedom to play as he likes to play, Jose might be holding him back in terms of creativity.
 
Camilo said:
Mkhi immediately. Buying someone wouldn't even be a deal breaker for me, just get rid of Mkhi.
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Don't remember anyone suggesting this when Mkhi registered a goal and five assists in the opening games of the season.

The definition of knee-jerk.
 
Revaulx said:
I've been a lurker here since the Moyes era. Despite it being bonkers at times, i love the Caf. One of the most consistently bonkers things is the enthusiasm of quite a large minority for binning large parts of our central defence; the one part of our squad (other than goalies) which seems to have been functioning adequately for a few seasons now.
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Statistically yes. But playing the style of football we have been playing under LvG and Jose really helps. Also we have one of the best shot stopping goalkeepers in the world.

Obviously Jones has done well so far this year, but the main reason for fans wanting rid is his injury record, which is undeniably bad.
 
Ramshock said:
Hoe can you be taken seriously by wanting rid of a brand new player and Mkhi?
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Who says I am asking to be taken seriously?

The Lindelof signing grates as it relegates Tuanzebe to the absolute fringes. We should be developing our academy graduate. Add to that Lindelof looks rubbish whilst Tuanzebe always impresses yet we will have to try to make Lindelof work as we paid £30m for him.

As for Mkhitaryan. I wouldn't object to him being a squad option but he is a huge huge disappointment as a player. He just isn't cut out for a Premier League title battle.
 
We won't sell any player before January. So we have to wait. It is nearly two months. We never know what might happens. Most people said Mata, Herrera, Mkhitaryan should be sold but by start of transfer window, they might be our best players.

So we have to wait before have a say on whom to sell but if transfer window was open now, then we should sell following players:

Mata
Mkhitaryan
Shaw
Blind
Darmian
 
Jacko21 said:
Don't remember anyone suggesting this when Mkhi registered a goal and five assists in the opening games of the season.

The definition of knee-jerk.
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That's not true. Plenty of people have been saying that his stats have masked sub - par performances since September.
 
- Shaw, Darmian, Smalling, Young, Lingard can all go as far as I'm concerned
- Herrera, Mkhi, Mata, Valencia should no longer be starters
- Carrick will probably retire
- I fear Martial could go, I hope not but it seems Jose doesn't fancy him/
 
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Eckers99 said:
That's not true. Plenty of people have been saying that his stats have masked sub - par performances since September.
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Not sure how goals and assists mask sub par performances TBH - that's his job and at the start of the season he was fulfilling said job.
 
Pexbo said:
What a load of nonsense. We will be adding numbers and quality to the club and rightly so. Shaw and Carrick need replacing and on top of that we need another creative midfielder and another winger.
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Another winger??

We just need A winger.....we havent got any
 
Dont know why so many want to see Mike going. I don't. We're good at CB department whatever people say.

Young and Carrick should probably go (Carrick into retirement of course).
Mata will probably go too.
I'm not sure Jose will sell Mickhi although at this point his United career is in shambles.
Shaw will maybe leave as early as January. It hasn't worked out. Seeing Blind is rarely used he will be maybe off to but I'll be sad to see it. Lingard recently signed a new contract so what about him. He's a squad player at best.
Darmian? Good defensively. Maybe keep him as a FB backup.

Although it's not a popular opinion here I'd like to see Fellaini stay.

Saying all that I hope we'll get good replacements for all the players who go. Some of the replacements are vital.
 
I was fully expecting to hear ''Sell Before You Buy'' in the not too distant. Thought we would go big next summer. The transfer market has exploded though & it looks like the Glazers don't want anymore of these £100M + TW's.

I partly agree with the Glazers as it may stop our managers buying crap & putting them on huge wages. I don't think Jose joined us though, thinking he was going to have to balance the books. Will be even more galling seeing as City seem to be accelerating their spending year on year.

Glazers could be on the way to becoming just like Arsenal & seeing 4th place finishes as good seasons or God forbid we could go the way of Liverpool.
 
Shaw, Darmian - useless signings. Should sell asap
Herrera, Mata - They're getting worse every season. Too inconsistent
Lingard, Young, Valencia, Blind, Smalling - Squad players. Don't mind if they stay but we should look for better players .
Lindelof, Mkhitaryan - Give them another season.
 
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Costanza70 said:
I was fully expecting to hear ''Sell Before You Buy'' in the not too distant. Thought we would go big next summer. The transfer market has exploded though & it looks like the Glazers don't want anymore of these £100M + TW's.

I partly agree with the Glazers as it may stop our managers buying crap & putting them on huge wages. I don't think Jose joined us though, thinking he was going to have to balance the books. Will be even more galling seeing as City seem to be accelerating their spending year on year.

Glazers could be on the way to becoming just like Arsenal & seeing 4th place finishes as good seasons or God forbid we could go the way of Liverpool.
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There are 2 ways to look at this.

Surely he wouldn't have joined without seeking certain assurances on budgets, wages, players in / players out etc. If those aren't being met with what he thought, then I wouldn't blame him if he walked.

However, if the owners are working to the guidelines that were agreed upon then Jose need to just do his job.
 
SachinJ22 said:
Players who might be sold:
Shaw - I thought he had the talent but after the recent comments from Pochettino I have doubts about him.
Mata - Doesn't have the pace and is physically not strong enough.
Young - Too inconsistent.
Smalling - Panics in defence and inconsistent.
Herrera - Was good last season but a limited player.
Darmian - Good enough defensively but not good in attack.
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If Herrera and Mata go, I think de Gea will consider moving to Madrid, possibly will be gone too. They are his bffs.

 
Jacko21 said:
Not sure how goals and assists mask sub par performances TBH - that's his job and at the start of the season he was fulfilling said job.
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That's the crux of what was being discussed; if someone is constantly losing possession, over - running the ball, being out-muscled, making bad decisions and is generally a peripheral figure BUT gets an assist in the 82nd minute, do you class that as a good performance? It's a valid question.
 
Jacko21 said:
Don't remember anyone suggesting this when Mkhi registered a goal and five assists in the opening games of the season.

The definition of knee-jerk.
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He's been shite for 15 months. Because he's shite.
 
Thought of Herrera being sold.

This place.. One year one of the best players, poor beginning of the season - should go..... :rolleyes:
 
Costanza70 said:
I was fully expecting to hear ''Sell Before You Buy'' in the not too distant. Thought we would go big next summer. The transfer market has exploded though & it looks like the Glazers don't want anymore of these £100M + TW's.

I partly agree with the Glazers as it may stop our managers buying crap & putting them on huge wages. I don't think Jose joined us though, thinking he was going to have to balance the books. Will be even more galling seeing as City seem to be accelerating their spending year on year.

Glazers could be on the way to becoming just like Arsenal & seeing 4th place finishes as good seasons or God forbid we could go the way of Liverpool.
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It's perfectly understandable to ask Jose to let some of the players go, especially if they're not good enough and to make it easier on the salary front. Why hoard players and buy new ones. Also sometimes instead of a 100 mil player you can buy 2 very good ones.
 
Shaw and Mhiki definitely need to go. Am gutted about Shaw, but he's had long enough to get fit now and its clear his attitude isn't where it needs to be.
No point in selling Young - will only get ~£10m for him maximum, so hardly seems worthwhile and he's done well when called upon this year.
Darmian can also leave. Just not good enough.
What would we get for all of those three? £60m? That would certainly help fund a Pulisic/Fekir bid in the summer.
 
Shaw (if his contract doesn't expire this year) and Mkhi off.

Considering the motive of such a move would be to generate income by sales and not just clear the wage budget, our players who are in the last year of their contracts are a bit 'safer' than other players.
Mata and Herrera as squad players- they are in the last years of their contracts so even of they leave it would be for free, which would be one of the worst moves as they can easily fetch us upwards of 60m.
 
I'm surprised at people who want rid of Mata ahead of Mkhitaryan. The former has never relied on pace, and has the impeccable technique to take him well into his thirties. The latter's game is built around his athleticism (as weak as it is) and is likely to nosedive much more in the coming years.

There's only one year's age difference between the pair (which counts for nothing in reality), and Mata's sell-by is far more distant. And I've not even touched upon how superior Mata is as a player.

Mkhitaryan is proven in the Bundesliga and a Dortmund favourite. Sweeten the pot for Pulisic by selling him back like we did with Kagawa.
 
SammyUnited_83 said:
This.

The problem we face now, is years and years of awful recruitment / managerial appointments.

Hiring Moyes, will end up going down as one of the worst sporting decisions of all time. In turn this has led to our Chief Exec trying to prove we are the famous 'Man Utd' by following no structure whatsoever.

Just think we rebuilt our squad with (fees taken from a Daily Mirror article):

2013/14
Juan Mata - £37.1m

Marouane Fellaini - £27.5m

2014/15
Angel di Maria - £59.7m

Luke Shaw - £30m

Ander Herrera - £29m

Marcos Rojo - £16m

Daley Blind - £13.8m

Radamel Falcao - £6m (loan fee)

2015/16
Anthony Martial - £36m

Morgan Schneiderlin - £24m

Memphis Depay - £31m

Matteo Darmian - £12.7m

Bastian Schweinsteiger - £14.5m

2016/17
Paul Pogba - £89m

Henrikh Mkhitaryan - £26.3m

Eric Bailly - £30m

Zlatan - Free

2017/18
Victor Lindelof - £30m

Romelu Lukaku - £75m

Matic - £35m

That's 20 players (pretty much a whole squad) and over £600 mil and only 4/5 of them are current nailed on starters (Pogba, Bailly, Matic, Lukaku / Zlatan).

The rest are / were, mercenaries, average or shit (in some cases a mixture of all 3).

I think that pretty much highlights the point made by @Dan_F , where has the structure / scouting been (before Jose), it fecking criminal.
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Thing is when you look at some of the players we signed in that list(Shaw,ADM,Falcao, BFS, Mata) they were signings you'd think would have made the difference.Players in positions that we are now looking for so where did it go wrong ?
 
Dan_F said:
Statistically yes. But playing the style of football we have been playing under LvG and Jose really helps. Also we have one of the best shot stopping goalkeepers in the world.

Obviously Jones has done well so far this year, but the main reason for fans wanting rid is his injury record, which is undeniably bad.
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I'm not convinced that our defenders are mollycoddled by our style of football. Maybe they're actually good. People seem to expend a great deal of mental effort to deny this. Sure, Smalling isn't great on the ball, but give him a partner that's OK in this regard and things are fine.

Completely agree about Jones though!
 
Pexbo said:
What a load of nonsense. We will be adding numbers and quality to the club and rightly so. Shaw and Carrick need replacing and on top of that we need another creative midfielder and another winger.
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It does seem like one of those slow news day articles, doesn't it.?

Editor: Lets see here... United wanted 2 More players in the last window and didn't get them but only let one player go in an already inflated squad with older players at the end of their contract.

Junior press officer: "I Know let's write a groundbreaking article about how United will do business in the transfer window..."

Editor: "Nah that won't sell any clicks, let's do the innovative journalism we are known and loved for by yet again trying to drum up drama around how Jose is clashing with the club leadership by saying they are not backing him up in the market"

Junior press officer: "That's why you're the boss!!"
 
What really annoys me, is that some don't question the Glazers in all this. People just read this news and name a few players to sell. You have got to think of what we offloaded and what we brought in. Morgan, bastian and memphis left in the middle of last season. They we got rid of Rooney and loaned out TFM and Pereira in the summer. We brought in Lukaku, Matic and Lindelof and saved a fortune on wages with Zlatan and then give a decreased contract. That really shouldn't mean selling more players, we were after 4 in the summer and we publicly wouldn't have said it if we couldn't afford a 4th, so what has changed. Realistically we would only be buying 2 max in January. There are a loads of out of contract next year too. No sign of an improved contract in sight, saving more money. With the amount of revenue from virtually making the CL knockout, plus the clear needs for improvements I question why the club leaking this to the bbc. Is this playing hard ball over a new contract to Jose, or is this something much worse going on by the Glazers simply not commiting investment. It doesn't help our transfer strategy in the next window, especially if clubs know we need to sell. It's all very worrying, I'm convinced there is more to Jose's unnecessary comments recently. When you are relying on full backs at the ages of Young and Valencia, it's worrying.
 
I agree. In hindsight there are a lot of bad apples. But when we first signed players on that list, most looked like good and impressive/promising buys. 5 / 8.

Actually when looking at that list, we've gone for a lot of young talents who could be world-class with the right manager/attitude. Players that were meant to be here long term. So I guess you can't say we've abondened our belief in young players. The competition for the top-notch players has just been way tougher now that we're not top 2 in England on a regular basis + The oilygarchs.

- Pogba (22) - To be world class
- Martial (18) - To be world class
- Rojo (24) - Squadplayer
- Shaw (18) - To be world class
- Depay (21) - To be world class
- Bailly (22) - Promising player
- Lukaku (24) - To be world class
- Lindelöf (22) - Promising player
 
Shaw for Danny Rose would be a great idea. Poche likes Shaw and we like Rose. Would be a sweet deal :)
 
devilish said:
RB: Darmian out, Henrichs in
LB: Shaw out, Tierney in, Blind out, Ghoulam in
DM: Carrick out, Dendoncker in,
MC: Fellaini out, leon goretzka in

AMR: Mata out, Bailey in
AML: Mkhitaryan out, Griezmann in
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Leverkusen are going to lose Brandt (12m€ clause) and if reports are true about that 25m€ clause, then Tah is very likely too. You can bet that their three juwels Henrichs, Bailey and Havertz, all with long term contracts until 2022, will be kept under any circumstances..they will fight tooth and nail and it would be really tough to convince stubborn Völler to sell. Maybe an extraordinary offer could get you one of them, but both? NEVER!

Goretzka will go to Bayern.
 
Dante said:
Mkhitaryan is proven in the Bundesliga and a Dortmund favourite. Sweeten the pot for Pulisic by selling him back like we did with Kagawa.
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Mkhitaryan is persona non grata in Dortmund and has burnt all bridges with his disgusting behaviour forcing the move. Nobody wants him and his cancer agent back.
 
Move on from both our attacking midfielders: Mata, Mkhitaryan. Bring back Pereira for squad depth and add someone like Mahrez if need be. There will be a couple of desperate teams looking for some average attackers. May be Moyes would splash the cash on Mata again. :drool:
 
Lord_Emz said:
If Herrera and Mata go, I think de Gea will consider moving to Madrid, possibly will be gone too. They are his bffs.
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That's why there were rumours about us going for Spanish midfielders and left back :D:D
 
Fellaini Lingard and Valencia. It baffles me how Valencia is at his 9th season at the club, didn't found him good enough in 2009-10 and still think he is a bad winger now, never understood playing him at right back.

Lingard is our Pedro, the only reason he is in the team is because he can run. Fellaini, for all his aerial threat and sometimes good one man marking, is too technically limited. Also, people calling for Carrick to be sold have misunderstood his contribuitions last season.
 
Sell:
Blind,Darmian,Fellaini,Mata,Miki,Shaw,Lingard as none off those players are quite good enough.
Players getting on in age and how long will these guy´s last?:
Young 32,Valencia 32,Carrick 36 and Ibra 36.
Sign:
Tierney or Rose for left back
Right back?
I think we are ok in centerback positions
Left and right winger?
Attacking midfielder/playmaker
 
It seems to me the players we should be looking to remove from the squad are:

Fellaini (out of contract) - nice chap but epitomises what has gone wrong post Fergie. He’s a mid-lower table quality midfielder who should not even be a squad player at United. The madness that he is some great option for us really needs to stop.

Mata (£20 million?) - another nice chap who tries hard. However, he brings no pace to the team and seems to be a shadow of the player Chelsea had. A sale to Spain or somewhere like Turkey in the Summer would be an ideal move for both parties.

Lingard (£15 million?) - I don’t like removing local players from the squad but I’m just not sure he brings enough even as a squad option. He’s not even young anymore so doubtful he will improve.

Darmian (£10 million?) - I don’t think he adds anything at all to the squad.

Mkhi (£15 million?) - doesn’t seem to really be able to do it in the Premier League at all. Time to cut our losses.

With Carrick and Ibra also likely to be retiring/moving to US soon, I think that would be a sufficient clear-out. Generates maybe c. £50 million and frees up a lot of wages.

However, we would then need a big investment in quality players for LB, CM, no 10 and RW at a minimum. I’d still be looking at a substantial net spend to make us realistic title challengers.
 
SachinJ22 said:
Players who I want to be sold but Jose probably won't let them go :

Lingard - Only good enough as a squad player. Won't be sold because he is homegrown.
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I find this kind of post baffling. What on earth is wrong with only being good enough to be a squad player? You aren't going to have 25 superstars, Lingard is a decent enough player, follows management instructions to a tee and is United through and through so is less likely to kick up a fuss about not playing so often.
 
royboy16 said:
Thing is when you look at some of the players we signed in that list(Shaw,ADM,Falcao, BFS, Mata) they were signings you'd think would have made the difference.Players in positions that we are now looking for so where did it go wrong ?
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I agree on the outside, some of those signings looked decent, but the people within the club haven't / didn't do their jobs properly.

ADM - never wanted to come to the club in the 1st place
Shaw - obvious fitness issues and has been called out on this by every manager since, surely with a bit of research there would have been some warning signs
BS - another one with fitness issues, have to question why would Bayern have sold
Mata - decent player and can do a job, wasn't bought with any meaningful plan in mind, fitted the bill of a 'big name' who would sign for Moyes (as no other fecker would).
Falcao - probably harshly treated here, but much like BS he came with fitness issues and considering we sold Welbeck to create some room for him, ultimately a waste of time and money.

Some of those players were ego buys and we are facing the consequences now.

Others like Herrara, Felliani, Darmian, Blind just bang average, yet we still rely on the way too much.

As I said before, shite recruitment for years.
 
If only we could be able to sell so many players...

Young - age and is just a stop-gap solution
Darmian - He's just a average player and would strugle to play even in some midtable teams
Shaw - Just let him go.
Lindelof - Never agreed with this hiring. Good enough for Benfica's level, but never worth the price tag.
Smalling - We all expected him to step up after the LVG seasons, but it never happened
Mickey Taryan - He frustrates me so much...
Lingard - Does this guy really worths 100K/week? Jesus...
Martial - If anyone offers >= 80M, we should sell him. He frustrates me a lot, too. He was supposed to be a much better player by now.

The problem is: could we get better players than the ones are leaving?
 
Not even six months into his contract here, and quite a few wanting Lindelöf sold. :wenger:
Modern football fans, with attitudes like that Vidic and Evra would have been lynched.
 
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