sell becks get young players

Originally posted by Raoul:
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Nonsense. How many big names have we been forced to sell over the past 5 years in order to buy Rio, Seba, RVN, Barthez, and Forlan ? We've sold Stam, and that wasn't really for financial reasons since Lazio have yet to cough up.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Have you read PK's recent remarks about selling to fund expensive purchases?

Buying a quaresma and a cisse would set the club finances back at least 25 million pounds which I doubt we will do without offloading a few players.
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Originally posted by lchk:
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Have you read PK's recent remarks about selling to fund expensive purchases?

Buying a quaresma and a cisse would set the club finances back at least 25 million pounds which I doubt we will do without offloading a few players.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Your making it sound like we have a financial problem. Kenyon stated the the SQUAD SIZE was perfect at the moment and that to add players to the squad some would have to go. I.e, blanc, may etc., to make way on the pay-roll. Were not in financial difficulty atall.
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i think PK is playing with his words this year. Last year he sent out the wrong message by boasting to everyone that Fergie could buy any player in the world if he wanted.
What happened? Leeds bumped the price way up to 30million for Rio.
PK has learnt his lesson.
Whilst we'll not throw money about madly, funds will be there if the right player becomes available.
 
Signing fees are not the problem for any club of our size, it's the wages, as VanNistle points out.
 
I think we should get behind Becks even though he's had some mediocre games this season.

When Richardson and Fletcher comes through this summer, he - and others - will get some much needed replacement sometimes.

Sell Becks...?...shame one you!!!

BTW, there is no way players like Schevchenko and the likes of him will go for any less money than Becks!
 
Originally posted by ManRyan:
<strong>BTW, there is no way players like Schevchenko and the likes of him will go for any less money than Becks!</strong><hr></blockquote>

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Of course they would, far less! The market has collapsed. 38 million now is like 60 million two years ago. At that time Zidane cost Real Madrid 45 million. Work it out.

Beckham only has such a price because of his marketability, which can be seen by looking at how much United pay him every week for rights to his image.
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Personally I dont think Beckham is a truly great player, yes yes...he does have a good cross, and yes yes...he is good at free kicks and corners...but...can he dribble? No. can he defend? No. can he kick Vieiri in? No. He is just too slow for my liking. £40m is worth selling.
 
Spot on!

Out with the Spice Boy if they are willing to pay that amount of cash.
 
if we sell becks for 38 mil we could go . . .

1) Ronaldinho (10-18mil)
2) Kluivert (10-15mil)
3) Kewell/Duff (8-12mil)

- beckham

i think these three would be great additions to the squad.
 
Originally posted by VanNistlerater:
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Your making it sound like we have a financial problem. Kenyon stated the the SQUAD SIZE was perfect at the moment and that to add players to the squad some would have to go. I.e, blanc, may etc., to make way on the pay-roll. Were not in financial difficulty atall.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Did I? Basically he said that if we wanted to buy, we have to sell.

As for the squad size, SAF has mentioned that we are still short of players/cover for some positions.
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Originally posted by lchk:
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Did I? Basically he said that if we wanted to buy, we have to sell.

As for the squad size, SAF has mentioned that we are still short of players/cover for some positions.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Re-read what Kenyon said, all he stated was that our squad of 22 players was enough and there would have to be departures to make way for new players. As we will shed a few through natural wasteage this summer there will be additions.

Kenyon is just feeding the tabloids their hysterical headlines in a hope that his reported reluctance to buy will stop clubs over pricing their players when United come a knockin'
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Yep, we're losing Chadders to Reading.

We're replacing him with Ronaldinho.

Maysie's off.

We're replacing him with Daniel van Buyten.

I reckon Lee Roche is going as well.

We're getting Julien Escude in for cover.

We might sell Webber to Nottingham Forest.

We're signing Damien Duff as a replacement.

See? Transfers plc style.
 
Originally posted by yianni_the_wog:
<strong>if we sell becks for 38 mil we could go . . .

1) Ronaldinho (10-18mil)
2) Kluivert (10-15mil)
3) Kewell/Duff (8-12mil)

- beckham

i think these three would be great additions to the squad.</strong><hr></blockquote>why dont we just get a whole new squad then
i think that beckham shuold go but geting a bunch of new players is stupid
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Originally posted by lchk:
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Have you read PK's recent remarks about selling to fund expensive purchases?

Buying a quaresma and a cisse would set the club finances back at least 25 million pounds which I doubt we will do without offloading a few players.</strong><hr></blockquote>

He always says we have to sell before we buy. He has to, its his job, and its the only we he can send a message to Fergie that he can't buy the most expensive players every year. In reality we don't have to sell anyone other than the player who SAF feels shouldn't be in next years squad. Blanc, Chadwick, Djordic etc. We haven't sold anyone other than Stam during the past few years in which we've bought Ruud, Barthez, Veron, Ferdinand, Forlan etc.
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Originally posted by Raoul:
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He always says we have to sell before we buy. He has to, its his job, and its the only we he can send a message to Fergie that he can't buy the most expensive players every year. In reality we don't have to sell anyone other than the player who SAF feels shouldn't be in next years squad. Blanc, Chadwick, Djordic etc. We haven't sold anyone other than Stam during the past few years in which we've bought Ruud, Barthez, Veron, Ferdinand, Forlan etc.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Its more likely so he can send a message to the fans instead of Fergie.
Weve sole Yorke & Cole aswell recently btw.
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Originally posted by Murt:
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Its more likely so he can send a message to the fans instead of Fergie.
Weve sole Yorke & Cole aswell recently btw.</strong><hr></blockquote>

The point being we haven't sold any big name players for massive fees as some would suggest we need to.
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Originally posted by Raoul:
<strong>The point being we haven't sold any big name players for massive fees as some would suggest we need to.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Wed never need to but if you can get more money that a players worth then it should be considered.
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I think you're a wind-up.
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Originally posted by Murt:
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Wed never need to but if you can get more money that a players worth then it should be considered.</strong><hr></blockquote>

What's the "worth" of a player and who decide that? Ask Real for the price of Raul and they will tell you to prepare 100m. The price of a player only depends on the club holding him, you can never "calculate" the price of a player by his skill and attributes.

Remember! We are never a selling club. Our goal is to become the best club in the world and win every trophy we play in. That's certainly not a good way to acheive that goal by selling one of your best player to your biggest rival in European football.

And finally, for those always suggest that "we can't resist a 40m offer for Becks, as 40m is too big a figure", I want to ask what will be your answer if Real offer 40m to get Ruud next month? And then they offer 40m to get our whole defence (except Rio) two months later? Are you still going to say that 40m is irresistable so we'd better sell our whole team?
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Ruud is worth 200 million!(priceless infact) I would not sell the best CF in the world for 40 million. Remember his best days are still ahead of him.
 
Originally posted by uranushk1:
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What's the "worth" of a player and who decide that? Ask Real for the price of Raul and they will tell you to prepare 100m. The price of a player only depends on the club holding him, you can never "calculate" the price of a player by his skill and attributes.

Remember! We are never a selling club. Our goal is to become the best club in the world and win every trophy we play in. That's certainly not a good way to acheive that goal by selling one of your best player to your biggest rival in European football.

And finally, for those always suggest that "we can't resist a 40m offer for Becks, as 40m is too big a figure", I want to ask what will be your answer if Real offer 40m to get Ruud next month? And then they offer 40m to get our whole defence (except Rio) two months later? Are you still going to say that 40m is irresistable so we'd better sell our whole team?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Please...

Beckham is no Raul and will never be. In fact, he's no Ruud either. Do you think Real would turn down big money for a player they thought they'd seen the best of? Ask Redondo, he'll tell you. No player is bigger than the club and if we get silly money for him we should take it. Ole has proved Beckham is simply not as indispensible as you would like to think.
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Originally posted by JSV:
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Please...

Beckham is no Raul and will never be. In fact, he's no Ruud either. Do you think Real would turn down big money for a player they thought they'd seen the best of? Ask Redondo, he'll tell you. No player is bigger than the club and if we get silly money for him we should take it. Ole has proved Beckham is simply not as indispensible as you would like to think.</strong><hr></blockquote>

No player is indispensible, but first of all we don't need that money, and secondly it will not be easy to find a replacement after we sell. Of course Ole has proved that he is a capable cover when Becks is out, but I can't see him play week-in, week-out in that position. Even if he can, he is already 30 and we still need to find a replacement very soon.
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Originally posted by uranushk1:
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but I can't see him play week-in, week-out in that position. </strong><hr></blockquote>

Why? bad hairstyle that's why? :confused: And Ruud IS indispensible!
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Originally posted by Spoony:
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Why? bad hairstyle that's why? :confused: And Ruud IS indispensible!</strong><hr></blockquote>

I repeat no one is indispensible. We win the treble with forwards such as Andy Cole and Dwight Yorke. We can win anything again no matter we have Ruud or not. Having Ruud only enhance our chance to win that, but not 100% a must.
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Originally posted by uranushk1:
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No player is indispensible, but first of all we don't need that money, and secondly it will not be easy to find a replacement after we sell. Of course Ole has proved that he is a capable cover when Becks is out, but I can't see him play week-in, week-out in that position. Even if he can, he is already 30 and we still need to find a replacement very soon.</strong><hr></blockquote>

We don't need £40m eh? It'd come in handy though wouldn't it? Why can't Ole play there weel in week out because IMO he's shown he's more a more versatile threat than Beckham is. Believe me there are plenty of excellent youngsters out there who could fill the role. Look, if they were offering 15 or even £20m i'd probably say keep him, but the money in this case is simply too much (If they ever offered it obviously).
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Originally posted by uranushk1:
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I repeat no one is indispensible. We win the treble with forwards such as Andy Cole and Dwight Yorke. We can win anything again no matter we have Ruud or not. Having Ruud only enhance our chance to win that, but not 100% a must.</strong><hr></blockquote>


Andy was. Ruud is in the same category as Keane, Robson and Eric at their peak. And, you did not answer why Ole can't do it week in week out!
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Originally posted by JSV:
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We don't need £40m eh? It'd come in handy though wouldn't it? Why can't Ole play there weel in week out because IMO he's shown he's more a more versatile threat than Beckham is. Believe me there are plenty of excellent youngsters out there who could fill the role. Look, if they were offering 15 or even £20m i'd probably say keep him, but the money in this case is simply too much (If they ever offered it obviously).</strong><hr></blockquote>

Obviously Fergie has already dismissed it. We are not a selling club and we should not be. 40m is nothing for me if it go into the PLC or the shareholder's purse. We have the kind of money to buy a 30m defender, so if we really want to buy a "youngster" we don't need to sell Beckham in order to acheive that.
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Originally posted by Spoony:
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Andy was. Ruud is in the same category as Keane, Robson and Eric at their peak. And, you did not answer why Ole can't do it week in week out!</strong><hr></blockquote>

Because he is already 30 and if he is not playing week in week out for us at 25 I don't know why he can at 30.

And be realistic, we all know Fergie won't use Ole as a RW to play 60 matches a season. We all know that.
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Originally posted by uranushk1:
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Because he is already 30 and if he is not playing week in week out for us at 25 I don't know why he can at 30.

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Complete nonsense. He's 30, not 39. He's fit enough to play week in week out.
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Originally posted by Spoony:
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Complete nonsense. He's 30, not 39. He's fit enough to play week in week out.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Be realistic. Fergie can put Ole on the bench this week even if he just scored a hat trick last week (It has happened before). We all know this (Ole playing week in week out for 60 games a season) will not happen, so why bother to go on discussing something which just won't happen?
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Originally posted by uranushk1:
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Obviously Fergie has already dismissed it. We are not a selling club and we should not be. 40m is nothing for me if it go into the PLC or the shareholder's purse. We have the kind of money to buy a 30m defender, so if we really want to buy a "youngster" we don't need to sell Beckham in order to acheive that.</strong><hr></blockquote>

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Listen love, I know £40m means nothing when it comes to your love of sweet Davie but in the real world that sort of money would be considered by Fergie if it was offered. He denyed Real had made an approach, that's all. Also, your logic about how us buying a player for £30m means we shouldn't sell another for £40m isn't really washing. He should go if the money is there.
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Originally posted by uranushk1:
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Be realistic. Fergie can put Ole on the bench this week even if he just scored a hat trick last week (It has happened before). We all know this (Ole playing week in week out for 60 games a season) will not happen, so why bother to go on discussing something which just won't happen?</strong><hr></blockquote>


Ole's a better RW player than Beckham. So why shouldn't we cash in on a player who's not worth 40 million and replace him with Quaresma type potential? We look a much better side with Ole. That is plain to see, even for the most blinkered of fans.
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Originally posted by uranushk1:
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Be realistic. Fergie can put Ole on the bench this week even if he just scored a hat trick last week (It has happened before). We all know this (Ole playing week in week out for 60 games a season) will not happen, so why bother to go on discussing something which just won't happen?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Eh? The only reason he hasn't always played is because we have always had other strikers in front of him. You make it sound like he doesn't play him because he gets tired or something?
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Originally posted by JSV:
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You make it sound like he doesn't play him because he gets tired or something?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Only Becks can play week in week out on the right. SAF told me.
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Originally posted by Spoony:
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Only Becks can play week in week out on the right. SAF told me.</strong><hr></blockquote>

That seems to be the logic she is taking.
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Originally posted by JSV:
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Listen love, I know £40m means nothing when it comes to your love of sweet Davie but in the real world that sort of money would be considered by Fergie if it was offered. He denyed Real had made an approach, that's all. Also, your logic about how us buying a player for £30m means we shouldn't sell another for £40m isn't really washing. He should go if the money is there.</strong><hr></blockquote>

We never sell big player for money before. I just can't see the club has any need to do so now.
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Originally posted by Spoony:
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She? :eek: </strong><hr></blockquote>

Why else the enfatuation with Beckham? Although you never know in that part of the world.
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