Well if you don't want KP we'll happily take him. He might not make our team but we need some quality backup.SECOND NPOWER TEST, HEADINGLEY: ENGLAND v WEST INDIES
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Well if you don't want KP we'll happily take him. He might not make our team but we need some quality backup.another piss weak argument about KP from Spoony.
his mother is english. where you're born is irrelevent (unless you think i'm south african too) and he wasn't even a fraction of the player he is today before he paid his four year dues in THIS country and spent the last 2 years being an england player.
if anthing, he learnt his cricket, this cricket, the way he plays today under english tutelage.
you just don't like him because you have this weird thing about south africans.
Not at all. He learnt his cricket in South Africa, the place where he was born and where he spent the majority of his life. He should represent South Africa. I'd be pissed off if I were South African. The whole point of Test cricket, is that it showcases the talent nurtured by nations. And he clearly has nowt to do with England. . . I know a lot about cricket. . .as I've played it since I was a wee kid, it's not something you learn later on in life, it's a game you pick up as a youngster, which KP clearly did in SA. Now, I could empathise with him if he was born and bred in Namibia, but he wasn't. My argument is very good, unless you're biased.
Oh and he's a cnut.
see, you were starting to make something that resembled a point...and then you said that which is just too funny.
you appear to be saying that sportsman never continue to improve, that they don't learn how to polish their own game when they're mature enough to know what works and doesn't work for them as an individual.
if you're talking about a natural born talent then that's one thing...but that's something innate to you, regardless of your country of origin. KP's most natural game would have been unique to him if he was south african, british or from Outer Mongolia. it's the progress he's made in the last year, year and a half that has made him the all round talent he is now.
who's to say, if he'd stayed in RSA he wouldn't have continued to be the player that just kept trying to slog everything and giving his wicket away. he might never have made it.
he's a player that deserves to be on the world stage and RSA wasn't willing to give him a chance so he forged one for himself. much like Joyce.
i, for one, admire that and am proud to have him in the team.
While you all compare penis sizes (and I bet Pieterson has the biggest of you all), I propose we call the match an England victory and have done with it. They can all go home and stop this on / off pissing about. It won't be a complete washout for another day and a half, and England will easily take the lower order wickets. Plus I'm likely to miss the result now cos I'm watching the playoff final
All over.
Pathetic performance from West Indies. An innings and 283 run defeat, worst ever.
Pathetic performance from West Indies. An innings and 283 run defeat, worst ever.
I don't care if he improved by playing in this country. . plenty have through the county system. . (inc some the greats), in India they have the MRF foundation for fast bowlers, bowlers from around the world go there to improve, this doesn't mean they should play for other nations. Fact is, he learned his cricket in South Africa, where he was born and brought up, and he is South African. As I said before, players should represent their countries. . . Test cricket is about nations showcasing their talents. There's no argument really.
and what was his beef with South Africa? why couldn't he play for his country?
quotas
I think he felt that he would have more of a chance to get into the England team, but looking back now he must feel who would make SA's team aswell
Nothing piss-weak about it, he learned the basics of holding bat and ball at his primary school in South Africa, spent his entire formative years as a cricketer there and this makes him a product of their system. The fact that the most recent developments to his game have come in England doesn't change that.
His Englishness is a bit more of a grey area. I doubt anyone'd be objecting too much if, say, Ravi Bopara was from Yorkshire and they didn't give him a game for whatever reason they've previously not given Asian players a game (heh), and he spent 4 years playing in the Ranji Trophy to qualify for India.
Not a terrible lot wrong with what he did really, even though I can see why Spoony doesn't like it. If the circumstances in a player's country are preventing him from reaching the highest level, then he's perfectly justified in finding another one as the rules allow him to.
The reason he swapped was because of quotas - he felt that he was more likely to make it here because he wouldn't be hindered by the quota system
I also think, that the earlier you pick up the game, the more natural your talent appears. Kids in the sub-continent, are virtually born with either a bat or ball in their hands, the same could've been said of the great W Indian players of the past. Whereas here, in England, kids learn the game later on, and appear to be coached. . . if that makes any sense. More rigid. . .in their bowling and batting styles. Flair can't be taught. . . and I think we've always looked far too mechanical. Pieterson I feel, has a lot of flair, even though he's not the most technically gifted. I think coaches are starting to change. . . and not forcing kids to change their natural style.